Polk instead Kingsley Suamataia?

[Ring 6]

The fact is, T, that not many NFL players CAN consistently and successfully throw into tight windows. We got to see one of those guys for 20 years. But it takes a LOT of experience and confidence to do it, and THAT takes time. Time and knowledge to be able to know WHEN to take that risk. Knowledge of where the defense is when you release that pass, and the accuracy and being familiar with your receiving corps.

Brady had a full YEAR+ on the bench and the time to become familiar with the offense and his receivers, but it took him another 4 or 5 years after that, before he could comfortably say he "knew all the answers to the test". You cannot ask a raw rookie QB to throw into "tight windows" when his FIRST responsibility is "do not turn the ball over". That is the meme he will hear from his coaches and teammates for this year AT LEAST.

We ALL knew that Maye was a work in progress when we made that pick. But we were all thrilled about it, because we could see the arm, accuracy, and athleticism that was only confirmed during preseason games when he would flash in a play that made you think, "we really got something here"; You cannot compare him to Nix, McDaniels and Williams for a lot of reasons, but mostly because these guys have 2-3 more years of being in college and experience. But we all see that when Drake is 24 he will have surpassed them all, assuming he is as hard a worker as he seems to be and has the drive and competitiveness to CONSTANTLY work to improve himself year to year.

The best way to do that, T, is to let him sit and get those practice and scout team reps, until he is ready to at least survive and compete when his turn comes.

He can learn in practice as well as play.

Maye in 3 months will be better than Maye today.
Maye, playing in games and taking all the first team snaps will be better in 3 months than Maye sitting on the sidelines and running the scout team.

To me the number 1 goal is him progressing as fast as he can, but waiting until he progresses to certain point before playing him which slows down the progress.

 

[patfanken]

He can learn in practice as well as play.

Maye in 3 months will be better than Maye today.
Maye, playing in games and taking all the first team snaps will be better in 3 months than Maye sitting on the sidelines and running the scout team.

To me the number 1 goal is him progressing as fast as he can, but waiting until he progresses to certain point before playing him which slows down the progress.

I think that he will improve weekly. But it takes time. QB is the hardest individual position in team sports. Not only do you have to have great PHYSICAL abilities, you also have to have extreme mental toughness and deal with the inevitable adversities that come playing that position. You have to be able to throw a pick 6, and then be able to execute well enough to be able to make people forget about that by staging a 3-28 comeback win in under 1.4 quarters. It takes amazing competitiveness to be able to continue to strive to keep getting better AFTER you find some initial success.

The old adage is that it takes ten thousand reps to master a skill. Well, I'm guessing that Maye gets over 100 reps a practice between individual, group, and team practices, plus more mental reps in meetings and film watching and the new computer simulations. like you, I'm thinking that within 2-3 months into the season Maye will be able to graduate into getting real game time reps. He'll still make mistakes that all QB's go through, and more since he is a raw rookie. But by then the OL should be better, the offense and blocking schemes should start to improve their execution,

All I want to see THIS year is exactly what I saw these first 2 games. A team that is completive and entertaining each and every week. I want to see the same kind of growth from the rookie coaching staff as well. Currently this team has a narrow window of mistakes they can make each game. There were clearly breakdowns during the blocked FG, and the long pass, that cost the team 10 points. That is just too many points to give away for this team if they are going to win, rather than just compete.

OOPS, I just started to get off the point of this post, again which is to say I agree with your comment. Next time I'll just use the green "agree" option

 

[Ring 6]

I think that he will improve weekly. But it takes time. QB is the hardest individual position in team sports. Not only do you have to have great PHYSICAL abilities, you also have to have extreme mental toughness and deal with the inevitable adversities that come playing that position. You have to be able to throw a pick 6, and then be able to execute well enough to be able to make people forget about that by staging a 3-28 comeback win in under 1.4 quarters. It takes amazing competitiveness to be able to continue to strive to keep getting better AFTER you find some initial success.

The old adage is that it takes ten thousand reps to master a skill. Well, I'm guessing that Maye gets over 100 reps a practice between individual, group, and team practices, plus more mental reps in meetings and film watching and the new computer simulations. like you, I'm thinking that within 2-3 months into the season Maye will be able to graduate into getting real game time reps. He'll still make mistakes that all QB's go through, and more since he is a raw rookie. But by then the OL should be better, the offense and blocking schemes should start to improve their execution,

All I want to see THIS year is exactly what I saw these first 2 games. A team that is completive and entertaining each and every week. I want to see the same kind of growth from the rookie coaching staff as well. Currently this team has a narrow window of mistakes they can make each game. There were clearly breakdowns during the blocked FG, and the long pass, that cost the team 10 points. That is just too many points to give away for this team if they are going to win, rather than just compete.

OOPS, I just started to get off the point of this post, again which is to say I agree with your comment. Next time I'll just use the green "agree" option

I think you misunderstood my comment.

I want Maye playing today. I want to accelerate his development. Sitting on the bench and running the scout team isn’t doing that. And anything he is learning doing that he will learn and also gain real experience by playing. We aren’t winning this year, that’s the reality. Not winning and not getting the QB experience and working through “rookieitis” is a major wasted opportunity.

He will learn 10 times fast by being on the first and doing than he will by sitting around watching a bad qb.

 

[Ross12]

Just want to point out that this thread was created because people hate Lowe and think the team would've been better off with Suamataia, and that he should've been drafted instead of Polk. Well, we just watched Lowe and Suamataia go against the same player (Tre Hendrickson) in back to back weeks.

Lowe handled him mostly fine. Suamataia got benched. I think the right call was made on this one, guys.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Just want to point out that this thread was created because people hate Lowe and think the team would've been better off with Suamataia, and that he should've been drafted instead of Polk. Well, we just watched Lowe and Suamataia go against the same player (Tre Hendrickson) in back to back weeks.

Lowe handled him mostly fine. Suamataia got benched. I think the right call was made on this one, guys.

Time will tell, but this is a classic example of why you wait until you actually see how they perform in nfl games. Who knows maybe suma rebounds and we will have missed out. But all the fist pounding and victory laps when a game hadn’t even been played yet is funny. Pretty sure all of these 2nd round OTs have either been ass or aren’t even playing yet. It will be at least a year or 2 before we have a real idea of how polk / 2nd rd OTs/ wallace played out. And in the case of the wr it may even be longer

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Time will tell, but this is a classic example of why you wait until you actually see how they perform in nfl games. Who knows maybe suma rebounds and we will have missed out. But all the fist pounding and victory laps when a game hadn’t even been played yet is funny. Pretty sure all of these 2nd round OTs have either been ass or aren’t even playing yet. It will be at least a year or 2 before we have a real idea of how polk / 2nd rd OTs/ wallace played out. And in the case of the wr it may even be longer

I think it is a solid strategy to look late in R2 or R3 for a RT, instead of a LT. Vollmer comes to mind. Wallace might be that guy, I like his quick feet. I also think that Wolf's declaration on draft night that Wallace can convert to LT was premature. The Pats went QB and reciever followed by RT. Not a bad strategy. I would prefer BPA in R2, not drafting for need, but it is what it is.

The mistake is trying to make it out to be more than it is. Polk can be a successful #3, maybe #2, and Wallace can target to be a successful RT. In that case both picks are solid, not great. Solid is OK, no need to try to pump up the picks further.

 

[Wozzy]

Just want to point out that this thread was created because people hate Lowe and think the team would've been better off with Suamataia, and that he should've been drafted instead of Polk. Well, we just watched Lowe and Suamataia go against the same player (Tre Hendrickson) in back to back weeks.

Lowe handled him mostly fine. Suamataia got benched. I think the right call was made on this one, guys.

Again... comparing a rookie making his second start to a third year vet. Wait until the end of the season and compare then... two games in is no time to judge a rookie. Begin with the fact he is starting for Andy Reid in the first place.

This thread was created because people hated Lowe and Okorafor starting, one is already gone. The second is about to face the Jets and 49ers in back to back weeks. I wouldn't count those chickens just yet...

 

[mike_usagisan]

I will be the first to admit that I wanted us to move back into the first to grab a LT and was really bummed when we didn't. But Lowe has been a lot better than I feared going into this season. The run blocking has been very good pretty much across the starters. The pass blocking hasn't been great, and I think we should acknowledge how good Brissett is at moving in the pocket to avoid getting destroyed. I'm still worried about our backups on the line, though we have a lot of pieces there, so hopefully it won't be so bad when they play.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I think it is a solid strategy to look late in R2 or R3 for a RT, instead of a LT. Vollmer comes to mind. Wallace might be that guy, I like his quick feet. I also think that Wolf's declaration on draft night that Wallace can convert to LT was premature. The Pats went QB and reciever followed by RT. Not a bad strategy. I would prefer BPA in R2, not drafting for need, but it is what it is.

The mistake is trying to make it out to be more than it is. Polk can be a successful #3, maybe #2, and Wallace can target to be a successful RT. In that case both picks are solid, not great. Solid is OK, no need to try to pump up the picks further.

Bpa would have probably been the way to go. Heading into the draft i had wr and ot about even for pick 34 and would have been fine going with whichever presented the best option, but it was kind of a no mans land for ot since nobody else went until 55 and i wasnt thinking of polk at all there. Was not a fan of either pick especially if we were considering trading a future 2 for aiyuk but im warming up to them. My hope without a wr trade in mind was to take advantage of our draft position and be aggressive with both picks. Trade up into rd1 for legette who has more #1 potential in my eyes and admittedly i too wanted a trade up to 62 for kingsley when he fell. I hope to be wrong.

But the picks are what they are. Maybe they see something in polk that would make him a good pair with drake and maybe they didn’t like these 2nd round ot’s. I just know 2 things: its very hard to obtain quality OT’s in this league and it will be a while before we can fully evaluate the picks. Certainly not from the moment someone sees one of the names in the starting lineup for a good team. Ideally next year in rd 1 there will be a LT projected right around where we are slotted, need and bpa.

 

[maust]

Just want to point out that this thread was created because people hate Lowe and think...

This thread was created because people hated Lowe and Okorafor starting...

The truth is this thread was created before the 1st half of the first game of the season was completed because FredFromDartmouth couldn't contain his contempt for the decision making of the Pats front office and felt compelled to show how much more knowledgeable he is in the mystical art of pigskin roster building than they are. Whatever else became of the thread, some of it raising quite valid points, was wholly accidental to the purpose for which it was created.

Just sayin'

 

[Ross12]

Again... comparing a rookie making his second start to a third year vet. Wait until the end of the season and compare then... two games in is no time to judge a rookie. Begin with the fact he is starting for Andy Reid in the first place.

The purpose of the thread wasn't about Suamataia's long term potential if he rode the bench for a while, it was quite obviously his ability to immediately start and be the team's 1st string LT. Lowe is better right now. The end.

 

[Family]

The purpose of the thread wasn't about Suamataia's long term potential if he rode the bench for a while, it was quite obviously his ability to immediately start and be the team's 1st string LT. Lowe is better right now. The end.

Actually, the purpose of the thread was to argue that the Patriots should have drafted Suamataia over Polk.

So far it's a draw. Even though it might not be Polk's fault he hasn't gotten the ball, it's not Suamataia's fault he plays for Andy Reid.

What I don't understand is if the Pats were going to run an offense that never throws the ball to the WRs, why they drafted a receiver over a LT?

Did they really not like any of the LT's in the second round?

 

[Ross12]

Actually, the purpose of the thread was to argue that the Patriots should have drafted Suamataia over Polk.

So far it's a draw. Even though it might not be Polk's fault he hasn't gotten the ball, it's not Suamataia's fault he plays for Andy Reid.

What I don't understand is if the Pats were going to run an offense that never throws the ball to the WRs, why they drafted a receiver over a LT?

Did they really not like any of the LT's in the second round?

From the opening post:

"Are my eyes playing tricks with me, or is rookie second round draft pick Kingsley Suamataia starting at Left Tackle for the Chiefs???? The Patriots could have taken him in round but took a possession WR in Polk instead. What was Patriots HQ thinking? Didn't they see the need for a LT?"

Seems clear to me that the argument here was that they should have taken Suamataia over Polk so that they'd have a better starting LT than what they currently have. I don't think Fred was trying to say they should have drafted a developmental LT to sit on the bench here.

 

[Family]

From the opening post:

"Are my eyes playing tricks with me, or is rookie second round draft pick Kingsley Suamataia starting at Left Tackle for the Chiefs???? The Patriots could have taken him in round but took a possession WR in Polk instead. What was Patriots HQ thinking? Didn't they see the need for a LT?"

Seems clear to me that the argument here was that they should have taken Suamataia over Polk so that they'd have a better starting LT than what they currently have. I don't think Fred was trying to say they should have drafted a developmental LT to sit on the bench here.

I guess we see this differently.

The poster pointed out as proof that the Patriots made the wrong choice was because Suamataia started at left tackle. If he sits a few games or even half the season now, and eventually becomes a star LT, while Polk is a #3 WR, I don't see how the poster would be incorrect.

The thread title is "Polk instead of Suamataia?" That's pretty clear to me.

 

[Ross12]

I guess we see this differently.

The poster pointed out as proof that the Patriots made the wrong choice was because Suamataia started at left tackle. If he sits a few games or even half the season now, and eventually becomes a star LT, while Polk is a #3 WR, I don't see how the poster would be incorrect.

The thread title is "Polk instead of Suamataia?" That's pretty clear to me.

Suppose so, if that is the result long term. But pontificating about it halfway into the first game of the year was a silly time to do it, yeah?

 

[AQPE]

This is the OP poster’s second thread complaining about taking Polk instead of a different player. It’s kind of what he does every year and I like @FredFromDartmouth so am open to considering what he has to say even when I have a different take.

I myself was disappointed they didn’t take a LT prospect in the 2nd round instead of Polk, but I like what I see from him so far and “my guy,” Patrick Paul, is apparently 3rd on Miami’s LT depth chart while Polk is getting plenty of snaps in his two games.

My bigger concerns here are about the ability of the organization to (1) evaluate OTs and (2) move up or down in the draft like we saw KC do twice this year to get better talent. I’m willing to be patient and hope for the best, realizing that this is a bridge year, especially with Barmore and Bentley down and out already.

 

[Wozzy]

The purpose of the thread wasn't about Suamataia's long term potential if he rode the bench for a while, it was quite obviously his ability to immediately start and be the team's 1st string LT. Lowe is better right now. The end.

Sumiata will be out there starting this weekend, we'll see if he develops and learns from adversity.

Lowe is a jag, he shouldn't be starting but will because Elliot Wolf didn't do his job this offseason.

Having no better options does not equate to "better."

 

[signbabybrady]

None of the above

We should have traded our second for a veteran LT

 

[Wozzy]

So Caeden Wallace got benched after his back to back penalties in his first start in week 3... is this the moment we're suppose to skewer the rookie and suggest he sucks?

Or is that only reserved for offensive tackles from other teams, while we're running cover for Elliot Wolf for screwing this offseason OLine build up entirely?

 

[Sciz]

So Caeden Wallace got benched after his back to back penalties in his first start in week 3... is this the moment we're suppose to skewer the rookie and suggest he sucks?

Or is that only reserved for offensive tackles from other teams, while we're running cover for Elliot Wolf for screwing this offseason OLine build up entirely?

Yes, the point here is that the entire group of 2nd-3rd round tackles “sucks” right now. People wanted to pick and choose who the Patriots should have drafted to be the immediate positive contributor at LT, and right now the answer appears to be none of the above. The 100 posts hyping up Suamataia as the immediate answer at LT were wrong. The maybe 5 posts hyping up Wallace as the immediate answer at LT were also wrong.

(He left with a knee injury, not being benched due to performance. Not that it really matters.)