Pick #32

[RobertWeathers]

As I think that you said, if the quality is there (as it seems that it is), a blue chip DL player is available by moving up (likely by using one of our seconds to get us up to the 18-21 range).

That is the only position I would move up for as IMO DL is the most urgent need.

A Wise-Guy-Pennel-Bennett 1st string and a Rivers-Butler-Rookie-Simon 2nd string would be sweet.

Add a situational pass rusher or maybe Kamalu/Davis emerge thats decent. I'm not sold on Rivers but I'm pulling for him. Seems like a good person.

Clearly TE is important as well. I don't mean to neglect it but as Bill says, 330 LB DTs that play like they are 290 are tough to find.

 

[RobertWeathers]

My binkie Tillery will be next Richard Seymour.

Hes got room to grow too. What a motor on that kid

 

[mgteich]

Your DL has Wise as a starter and Rivers as his backup. I don't think that this is all that strong. I don't think that Wise has shown himself to be a starter.

As far as DT, I'm OK with a rookie replacing Shelton. However, this would definitely need to be a top rookie. Otherwise, he would likely need a year to develop.

That is the only position I would move up for as IMO DL is the most urgent need.

A Wise-Guy-Pennel-Bennett 1st string and a Rivers-Butler-Rookie-Simon 2nd string would be sweet.

Add a situational pass rusher or maybe Kamalu/Davis emerge thats decent. I'm not sold on Rivers but I'm pulling for him. Seems like a good person.

Clearly TE is important as well. I don't mean to neglect it but as Bill says, 330 LB DTs that play like they are 290 are tough to find.

 

[fair catch fryar]

You forgot an option for trading that pick for a 2019 2nd rounder, 2020 3rd round, 2021 4th round and switching 2019 7th rd picks.

 

[Flash]

If we trade up we should probably aim for guys like Brian Burns or Clelin Ferrell (Ferrell's agility is bad supposedly, though). Other top DL prospects are all long gone at this point.

And we'd also be in the possible range for Hockenson so that'd be another player to think about. No WR is worth drafting that high though so that remains an issue we need to solve.

 

[1960Pats]

But you at least openly state that you don't really have any insight. A lot of people are in your boat but instead of saying it outright they quickly skim some mock drafts and then fake it.

Good for you.

I'm in the same boat as @oldrover and appreciate what many of you who follow college ball bring here (just as I appreciate what's offered in the re-watch threads). I don't follow the college game at all anymore and I don't have football coaching knowledge.

The only drafting that I did was while managing a LL Baseball team for many years. What I found out was three things that worked for me.
1) It was very important to see the younger players coming up. A one time tryout doesn't work.
2) I would always rank the players and stick to that. Whenever I went away from that list I made mistakes.
3) When in doubt draft a potential pitcher.

One question that I have concerning the NYFL draft that maybe folks here can help me with is if the teams go by position or best player available? My guess from what I read here is that the teams go by need more than best player.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Your DL has Wise as a starter and Rivers as his backup. I don't think that this is all that strong. I don't think that Wise has shown himself to be a starter.

As far as DT, I'm OK with a rookie replacing Shelton. However, this would definitely need to be a top rookie. Otherwise, he would likely need a year to develop.

Yea I agree. I think Wise is still climbing but hes average. Rivers who knows.

If they took a Edge/DE I'd be ok with that too and find a rotational DT/DE vet in FA or later in the draft.

 

[mgteich]

I suspect that he will require more than the 1st and a 2nd which only moves us up to about 18-20. I expect Hockenson to be gone by then.

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And we'd also be in the possible range for Hockenson so that'd be another player to think about.

 

[SBLIII]

I suspect that he will require more than the 1st and a 2nd which only moves us up to about 18-20. I expect Hockenson to be gone by then.

We could do that for Fant who should fall in that 18-20 range.

 

[catent]

If Devin Bush drops far enough, I'd love to see him in a Patriots' uniform.

 

[mgteich]

We could do that for Fant who should fall in that 18-20 range.

I wouldn't use a 1st and a 2nd to get a heavy WR who can't block.

I would rather use a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Hockenson if that were possible. This might be doable with our 1st, top 2nd and top 3rd. We'd theoretically move up to about 13.

 

[SBLIII]

I wouldn't use a 1st and a 2nd to get a heavy WR who can't block.

I would rather use a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Hockenson if that were possible.

He can block, not just a huge plus blocker like Hockenson. To say he is a heavy WR is laughable.

 

[micronin127]

Irv Smith, Jr. @32. Riley Ridley in the 2nd.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm in the same boat as @oldrover and appreciate what many of you who follow college ball bring here (just as I appreciate what's offered in the re-watch threads). I don't follow the college game at all anymore and I don't have football coaching knowledge.

The only drafting that I did was while managing a LL Baseball team for many years. What I found out was three things that worked for me.
1) It was very important to see the younger players coming up. A one time tryout doesn't work.
2) I would always rank the players and stick to that. Whenever I went away from that list I made mistakes.
3) When in doubt draft a potential pitcher.

One question that I have concerning the NYFL draft that maybe folks here can help me with is if the teams go by position or best player available? My guess from what I read here is that the teams go by need more than best player.

I think you’ll find it’s a combination of the two: best player available at a position of need.

 

[oceansizer]

Most likely, but you never know. Wilfork was a top 5 pick right up until a couple of weeks before the draft and then fell late. I was doing a dance watching him fall to the Patriots, and couldn’t believe it when Minnesota went DL and left Wilfork for the Patriots. If either of the Iowa TE’s fall to the Patriots I would take them.

I bet a minority of us in 2015 projected Malcolm Brown would slide till our 32nd pick.In almost every mock draft he was picked before our choice. Somehow he was chosen by us and I loved that pick.
Sometimes it happens and every draft brings us some surprises. Hard to predict what BB is going to do during the draft day. If he cares about a specific player he might even trade up, of course it is possible.My bottom line is it is not about position like TE or DL but it depends on BB's evaluation of particular players.

 

[mgteich]

He can block, not just a huge plus blocker like Hockenson. To say he is a heavy WR is laughable.

He probably has average blocking skills at best. Apparently, he has been working on this and has improved. We'll see. I don't think that belichick would even consider giving up a 2nd and 1st to get Fant.

 

[Zuma]

I wouldn't use a 1st and a 2nd to get a heavy WR who can't block.

I would rather use a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Hockenson if that were possible. This might be doable with our 1st, top 2nd and top 3rd. We'd theoretically move up to about 13.

Unfortunately their isn't a "Strongly Disagree"...Fant is 6'4" / 250 lb excellent TE at all phases. Gronk is possibly the best blocking TE in the NFL...I think we have been spoiled a little. Noah and Hock were both very good blockers in college (have you watched tape?) with Hock probably a little better but that shouldn't be a slight against Noah. Having both on the same team in college...it's easy to compare between the 2 and it's possible depending on scheme that Hock was asked to block more because he is such a fantastic blocker. Also...he is incredibly fast. I don't see any harm in adding another 5-10 lbs to bring him up to 255-260.

I see Noah Fant playing a very long time in the NFL with a lot of success.

EDIT: I think Fant is an above average blocker...we won't truly know how much above average until he gets some NFL games under his belt.

SPOILER: I am cherry picking this article ...

"While Iowa still used Fant as more of a receiver (as they should have), he was still tasked with some pass protection reps. In 2018, they trusted him to block in isolation on bootleg or roll-outs. His technique was more sound, as he kept his base and worked to wall off defenders.
While Fant’s calling card is his receiving talent, offenses are still going to ask him to block in the NFL. It’s an important aspect for a tight end, as many power runs rely on their blocking ability. Fant showed a lot of progression from one year to the next, and that development should continue in the NFL. If it does, we’ll be talking about an all-around stud player in the league, easily with all-pro level potential."

Noah Fant's Encouraging Blocking Development | The Draft Network

 

[Huckleberry1]

I bet a minority of us in 2015 projected Malcolm Brown would slide till our 32nd pick.In almost every mock draft he was picked before our choice. Somehow he was chosen by us and I loved that pick.
Sometimes it happens and every draft brings us some surprises. Hard to predict what BB is going to do during the draft day. If he cares about a specific player he might even trade up, of course it is possible.My bottom line is it is not about position like TE or DL but it depends on BB's evaluation of particular players.

Yep. That’s why when I look at mocks I basically throw out the top 15 and go from there, asthe likelihood of any of those prospects being there is very low.

 

[mgteich]

I understand that Fant's blocking is improving. However, I think it misguided to compare his blocking skills to that Hock. While he obviously is not as good, Hock would step right in for Gronk when he leaves, filling the same role. I wouldn't have the same expectation for Fant.

So, sure I overstated some. But, I would trade a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Hock. I wouldn't trade up very far, if at all, for Fant. I might even draft a DL at 32, even with Fant available. How about you?

Unfortunately their isn't a "Strongly Disagree"...Fant is 6'4" / 250 lb excellent TE at all phases. Gronk is possibly the best blocking TE in the NFL...I think we have been spoiled a little. Noah and Hoch were both very good blockers in college (have you watched tape?) with Hoch probably a little better but that shouldn't be a slight against Noah. Having both on the same team in college...it's easy to compare between the 2 and it's possible depending on scheme that Hoch was asked
to block more because he is such a fantastic blocker. Also...he is incredibly fast. I don't see any harm in adding another 5-10 lbs to bring him up to 255-260.

I see Noah Fant playing a very long time in the NFL with a lot of success.

EDIT: I think Fant is an above average blocker...we won't truly know how much above average until he gets some NFL games under his belt.

SPOILER: I am cherry picking this article ...

"While Iowa still used Fant as more of a receiver (as they should have), he was still tasked with some pass protection reps. In 2018, they trusted him to block in isolation on bootleg or roll-outs. His technique was more sound, as he kept his base and worked to wall off defenders.
While Fant’s calling card is his receiving talent, offenses are still going to ask him to block in the NFL. It’s an important aspect for a tight end, as many power runs rely on their blocking ability. Fant showed a lot of progression from one year to the next, and that development should continue in the NFL. If it does, we’ll be talking about an all-around stud player in the league, easily with all-pro level potential."

Noah Fant's Encouraging Blocking Development | The Draft Network

 

[mgteich]

Yep. That’s why when I look at mocks I basically throw out the top 15 and go from there, asthe likelihood of any of those prospects being there is very low.

Yes, unless someone falls a bit, AND we are willing to part with a 2nd, we aren't getting any player that is mocked by the majority to be in the top 15. We could get to 18-20 with a trade up.

So, like you, I ignore the blue chippers that will be drafted in the first half of the round. In fact, I would say that there is little difference between 25 and 75, which is why we trade down so much. [and yes, sometimes up].