PFT: Golden Tate unlikely to be re-signed by Philly (update: would love to play with Brady)

[captain stone]

They can invest a lot at WR if in fact Flowers is gone to MIA or gone in general

Don't even think that!

Sorry not sorry, but I hope that Flores has ZERO success in Miami.

 

[Simpelton]

The point of your argument is not viable, because you acknowledge the pass interference of one and the screwed status of the other. If there's no P.I., Cooks has a TD. If Goff doesn't toss up a late balloon that allowed the defender to get back against a WR who's basically pinned against the back line, Cooks has a TD.

Your point has no merit in either example, so there's no sense in denigrating the WR over them.

Not necessarily. The fact of the matter is that Brandin Cooks is a good deep threat but has always had trouble reliably making catches in traffic. Players can fight through PI and still make plays, just ask Gronk. The fact that there's a foul on a given play doesn't automatically make it unmakeable -- unless you're 5 feet nothing like Cooks. He just doesn't have the body to make a good receiver on contested catches. He's got speed to burn and get open, that's what he does, that's his calling card and if you need an outside receiver to burn the safety that's your man, but that's actually a pretty limited skillset, if you have a secondary that can match that speed or outread Cooks like JMac did in the Superbowl he's a tough tool to find a use for.

 

[Soliel]

Do we have to take Amani Hooker off our draft board?

Yeah, that’s dead. If you put too many polarized items in one basket. Next thing you know, you have eight road games listening to the blaring of billy squire “stroke me”.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I'd love to see us pick him up, if only so we can focus on defense earlier in the draft (1-2 rounds) rather than later. Still want a DT and depending on where Flowers goes, a DE or LB.

ETA: Forgot about Bentley. So depending on what the coaching staff feels about him, either a LB or TE. Still our biggest priority in the draft IMO is DT

 

[Tony2046]

Yeah, that’s dead. If you put too many polarized items in one basket. Next thing you know, you have eight road games listening to the blaring of billy squire “stroke me”.

Michael Jackson's Beat It.

 

[Froob]

I'd love to see us pick him up, if only so we can focus on defense earlier in the draft (1-2 rounds) rather than later. Still want a DT and depending on where Flowers goes, a DE or LB.

ETA: Forgot about Bentley. So depending on what the coaching staff feels about him, either a LB or TE. Still our biggest priority in the draft IMO is DT

I’m hesistant to count on Bentley, he’s off to a promising start and I feel very good about him but I’ve been duped before by young players. I’d like to see OL, DL, QB, S, LB.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we take a tackle early with Wynn coming off injury and Cannon being unreliable. We have a great track record with o line in the draft and you can never have too much quality depth on the line.

 

[IllegalContact]

he wants 5x what edelman makes........not going to work

 

[PatsFan2]

Tate looking for $10Mill?? Let's welcome our new Rookie Slot Receiver not going to happen Tate.

 

[oceansizer]

For 10 mln. Per year he can play with Brady in the same team on PS4.

 

[Soliel]

I’d rather keep Dorsett. He’s due for a break out year. Last year he looked almost as good as that one guy we had years ago. Can not recall his name but he signed with us the same year that browns runner had that big gainer.

 

[TruthSeeker]

No, you’re still not getting it. Players can still make catches while being interfered with or a QB finding him late.

I’ll say it again, any contact that Cooks has or a DB contesting the catch, he’ll drop the ball.

If Gilmore would’ve stuck a hand in the air rather than on Cooks’ arm, I still think he wouldn’ve dropped the ball.

The pass interference was relatively weak (although still a penalty; just not a likely call in the Super Bowl). If Cooks managed to catch it (and I'm not at all surprised he didn't), he was about to take another hit and the chances of Cooks holding onto the ball for a completed pass were slim - mostly because he's Cooks.

As far as the pass at the back of the endzone goes, Deus is right that it was a weak, late throw. But Chris Carter says it best when he says, "I would have made the catch".

That's the point. There are a number of players I would have trusted to make that catch exactly the way it played out up to the ball getting to the receiver. Cooks is a receiver I can count on to NOT make the catch. And he didn't. This is exactly (one of the reasons) why the Patriots traded him - he's not tough enough to make the big play under pressure, even moderate pressure. He is who he is.

 

[LJRomanoff]

I’d rather keep Dorsett. He’s due for a break out year. Last year he looked almost as good as that one guy we had years ago. Can not recall his name but he signed with us the same year that browns runner had that big gainer.

Deion Branch?

 

[RayClay]

Not necessarily. The fact of the matter is that Brandin Cooks is a good deep threat but has always had trouble reliably making catches in traffic. Players can fight through PI and still make plays, just ask Gronk. The fact that there's a foul on a given play doesn't automatically make it unmakeable -- unless you're 5 feet nothing like Cooks. He just doesn't have the body to make a good receiver on contested catches. He's got speed to burn and get open, that's what he does, that's his calling card and if you need an outside receiver to burn the safety that's your man, but that's actually a pretty limited skillset, if you have a secondary that can match that speed or outread Cooks like JMac did in the Superbowl he's a tough tool to find a use for.

Of course. everyone's an all pro if no one contests it and it's only pass interference f it's called.

 

[Soliel]

Deion Branch?

Yes. That’s him. That same year, the browns had a game where they rushed for over 100

 

[Simpelton]

Of course. everyone's an all pro if no one contests it and it's only pass interference f it's called.

Sorry what?

The pass interference was relatively weak (although still a penalty; just not a likely call in the Super Bowl). If Cooks managed to catch it (and I'm not at all surprised he didn't), he was about to take another hit and the chances of Cooks holding onto the ball for a completed pass were slim - mostly because he's Cooks.

As far as the pass at the back of the endzone goes, Deus is right that it was a weak, late throw. But Chris Carter says it best when he says, "I would have made the catch".

That's the point. There are a number of players I would have trusted to make that catch exactly the way it played out up to the ball getting to the receiver. Cooks is a receiver I can count on to NOT make the catch. And he didn't. This is exactly (one of the reasons) why the Patriots traded him - he's not tough enough to make the big play under pressure, even moderate pressure. He is who he is.

It's probably the single biggest difference between Cooks and a guy like Edelman. Cooks is a specialist, he does what he does and does it well, but there's a lot of situations where his skillset isn't useful. He's a guy who runs down the hash marks, gets behind the safety and scores. That's who he is. And that, ultimately, is all he is.

Edelman on the other hand is probably the most complete athlete I've ever seen, when you combine physical and mental attributes. There's a reason this guy's first calling card for the Patriots was as a special teams maestro, a position he still fills very well. Edelman is just about the ultimate generalist, which makes him useful in almost any formation you can think of. And that's why Brandin Cooks didn't last here and Edelman will probably retire a Pat. We need good versatile guys who it isn't obvious from the first moment they line up what they're out there to do.

Take that into this conversation: People want "a deep guy for Brady." Well first of all Brady isn't a deep ball thrower, he only really had a handful of years where he was feeding a deep threat and that deep threat was Randy Moss, who was a lot more than just a chalk line burner. Brady isn't a guy who just heaves the ball into traffic, he throws lasers and needs guys who run smart tight routes that open small windows that he can zip the ball into before the defense can respond. That means he NEEDS guys who fight in traffic for the ball, like Gronk, like Edelman, like White.

If that guy can also get open deep from time to time, that just adds to his versatility, but Brady lives on the corner of Quick Read Lane and Tight Spiral Avenue, and any receiver for Tom had better be able to match that gameplay. If that guy can also stretch the field on top of that, so much the better, but that's what you look for after you get the guys who make you the bread-and-butter yards, like Edelman and Amendola.

 

[Chevrolet]

Golden Tate knows very well he is out of the Patriots price range. If they wanted or were willing to spend that kind of $ for a slot WR they would have kept Cooks. Even if he "sett;ed" for 7 or 8 million, I think there are far better value FA WR available this year.

I think many of these guys say they would love to play for Patriots to increase interest from other teams.