Pats trade Jacoby Brissett to the Colts for Phillip Dorsett

[Nunchucks]

Not a big fan of this move. The guy had Luck throwing the ball, was in a pass heavy offense, and was unable to really be integrated into the offense. I am skeptical of his ability to learn the offense and make any impact on this team as a WR.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Which one is different?

Gronk 66% catch rate @ 38 targets
Hogan 66% catch rate @ 58 targets
Dorset 56% catch rate @ 59 targets
Cooks 67% catch rate @ 118 targets
Mitchell 67% catch rate @ 46 targets
Andelman 79% catch rate @ 29 targets

Luck was 16th in the league in pass completion. Brees and Brady were 2nd/5th.

 

[Triumph]

As long as he is good enough to replace a WR in case of injury, this is a major plus. Now, I'm terribly worried whether Mitchell is ready to play in the first 3 or 4 games.

Evidently Hogan is moving to the Slot and Dorset outside where Hogan played. Dorset has 4.3 speed and is fast like Hogan. As long as you arent concerned about losing Hogans outside its all kosher.

 

[Triumph]

Luck was 16th in the league in pass completion. Brees and Brady were 2nd/5th.

With WRs like Dorset that pretty good.

 

[TomPatriot]

Which one is different?

Gronk 66% catch rate @ 38 targets
Hogan 66% catch rate @ 58 targets
Dorset 56% catch rate @ 59 targets
Cooks 67% catch rate @ 118 targets
Mitchell 67% catch rate @ 46 targets
Andelman 79% catch rate @ 29 targets

Of course, he was Luck-y. Let's give him a shot with TB. Plus, different schemes. Does anyone think he has bad hands?

 

[JMC00]

Does anyone think he has bad hands?

3 drops in 98 targets.

But yes all the usual doom & gloom, contrarians and trolls on here think he does because it fits their usual narrative

 

[wpdougie2180]

Something I seen somewhere else that makes a ton of sense:

People talking a lot about how Dorsett is a bust but his production last year was pretty much right in line with that of a typical #2 WR on a team that likes to spread the ball to its TEs and backs

Dorsett played 72.5% of offensive snaps for the Colts last season (2nd most among their WRs) and was targeted 59 times (33 catches, 528 yards).

To put that in perspective, Chris Hogan played 74.1% of the Pats' offensive snaps last year and was targeted 58 times (38 catches, 680 yards).

The Colts, like the Pats, had TEs and RBs last year who ate up a large percentage of the team's targets and catches. Different teams obviously prioritize their weapons differently. For a guy who was, for all intents and purposes, their #4 target, his numbers were pretty much the mean. Compare him to guys like Tajae Sharpe, Jermaine Kearse, Victor Cruz and Taylor Gabriel.

 

[TomPatriot]

3 drops in 98 targets.

But yes all the usual doom & gloom, contrarians and trolls on here think he does because it fits their usual narrative

Yes, I read this. It will take him time to get the system but I don't get it the hate. He seems on film to run clean routes and get separation b/c of his speed. Then again I don't get the Karras crying either.

 

[Marqui]

Evidently Hogan is moving to the Slot

And you got this "evidence" from where?

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Which one is different?

Gronk 66% catch rate @ 38 targets
Hogan 66% catch rate @ 58 targets
Dorset 56% catch rate @ 59 targets
Cooks 67% catch rate @ 118 targets
Mitchell 67% catch rate @ 46 targets
Andelman 79% catch rate @ 29 targets

Who is Andelman? Can he play the slot?

 

[letekro]

Which one is different?

Gronk 66% catch rate @ 38 targets
Hogan 66% catch rate @ 58 targets
Dorset 56% catch rate @ 59 targets
Cooks 67% catch rate @ 118 targets
Mitchell 67% catch rate @ 46 targets
Andelman 79% catch rate @ 29 targets

Yeah, but his ypc last year was quite a bit higher than these guys. Have to factor that in when evaluating efficiency.

 

[Ring 6]

Luck was 16th in the league in pass completion. Brees and Brady were 2nd/5th.

You have to look at length if throw also for context.

If player a vs player b is

Behind line.12/15 80%. 5/6 83%
1-10. 10/15 67%. 6/8 75%
11-20. 4/10. 40%. 12/24 50%
21-30. 1/3. 33%. 6/15. 40%
31+. 0/1. 0%. 4/20. 25%

You end up with a= 27/44 61% b = 33/72 50% while player b had a higher catch % in every category.

 

[Ring 6]

Evidently Hogan is moving to the Slot and Dorset outside where Hogan played. Dorset has 4.3 speed and is fast like Hogan. As long as you arent concerned about losing Hogans outside its all kosher.

Evident how?

 

[TeamFirst]

Brisset was not going to be the guy. The fact that the fans now know this hasn't changed anything.
I assume next years backup will probably spend this year on the ps.

I never thought Brisset was the guy either.

So in that situation BB is going to trust a QB that pretty much has been passed over by every NFL team and make him Tom Brady's Back up next season?

That's interesting. What PS eligible qbs that fit are out there?

 

[rochrist]

That was my initial reaction too, but I guess the Pats are assuming that they can keep Garoppolo through next season with a first round tender. And if not, hey, we get a first pick out of it so that's cool.

This also assumes Brady is still playing at a high level through his age-41 season, but that concern doesn't really worry me as much as it maybe should.

There is no 'first round tender' in JG. He'll be an UFA. They either franchise him, sign him to another deal, or he's free to do what he wants.

 

[Ring 6]

So in that situation BB is going to trust a QB that pretty much has been passed over by every NFL team and make him Tom Brady's Back up next season?

That's interesting. What PS eligible qbs that fit are out there?

What is the alternative? If brisset isn't the guy you don't keep him around because fans know his name.
They will sign a ps QB develop him, look at FA next year look at the draft.
The most "proven" backup we have had behind Brady (at least in many years) has 6 quarters of experience.

It would be nice if garoppolo had 3 years left under contract but he diesnt and you can't jam a square peg into a round hole just because you wish you could.

 

[JMC00]

Dorsett didn't pick 17 for his number

 

[Triumph]

Who is Andelman? Can he play the slot?

No, too much Chinese food.

 

[AtomicDawg]

BTW, not sure if this was mentioned yet but I'm not surprised the Patriots started dealing with the Colts once that weasel ******* Grigson was fired.

 

[Ring 6]

You have to look at length if throw also for context.

If player a vs player b is

Behind line.12/15 80%. 5/6 83%
1-10. 10/15 67%. 6/8 75%
11-20. 4/10. 40%. 12/24 50%
21-30. 1/3. 33%. 6/15. 40%
31+. 0/1. 0%. 4/20. 25%

You end up with a= 27/44 61% b = 33/72 50% while player b had a higher catch % in every category.

LOL at disagreeing with the concept that short passes have higher completion percentage than long passes.

FYI
Brady 2016
Behind the line 83%

Less than 21 yards down field 70%

over 20 yards downfield 38%


Luck 2016
Behind the line 76%

Less than 21 66%

over 20 yards downfield 47%

I guess every pass really isn't the same.

Additionally, comparing Dorsett to Edelmans great catch %, while no stats are available for targets, stats for CATCHES are just as relevant.

Edelmans catch distribution
Behind the line 17%
< 21 96%
>20 4%

Dorsetts catch distribition
Behind the line 7%
<21 83%
>20 17%