Pats trade Jacoby Brissett to the Colts for Phillip Dorsett

[BabeParilli]

Don't think they want him to do much apart from hold a clipboard, be paid almost minimum salary and be better than Scott Tolzien, it's not a high bar he has to reach.

Dorsett seems like injury insurance too, the trade makes sense but both of these guys rarely see the field unless something bad happens maybe Dorsett gets 10 snaps a game.

The Colts had been shopping Dorsett and the Pats probably only wanted to keep 2 quarterbacks, if this trade doesn't go down there's a good chance both guys were getting cut anyway.

It's also pretty clear that a new GM change in Indy has seen most of the bad blood between the organisations go out the window, Ballard has been in charge for 1 off season and there's been multiple trades already, looks like Bill thinks deflategate was purely a Grigson thing more than a Colts thing.

Well, Irsay is a charter member of the evil cabal of owners, so I don't know that all the bad blood has been removed with Grigson, but I believe BB will deal with anybody if he feels the team will be better for it.

As far as Dorsett, I don't see this as grabbing a backup or salvaging something from a guy who would have been cut anyway. I see a 32 yo Edelman coming off an ACL next year, a to be 32 year old Amendola who is a clutch spot player and not durable enough to be a starter, Hogan who is more or less a younger Amendola but more durable and Mitchell who is unproven despite the notions of the fans.

So, other than Cooks who we have through next year the WR situation is not rosy, long-term. Billy gets a guy with elite speed to run through the William Stephen Belichick University of football and see if quality teaching can produce something that can make that future look a bit more rosy.

 

[BabeParilli]

So, since we have another roster spot with Brissett gone, does this affect Carr's chances? It might not.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't hate this trade at all. A number three QB for a #3/4 WR who might be more.

I wonder if he wasn't a good fit for the Colts' system. Sure in theory, he was perfect with Luck's hold onto the ball way too long and huck the ball down the field gunslinger style, but wonder if he may thrive in an offense where he gets the ball quickly in stride and asked to pick up extra yards with his speed more.

 

[fnordcircle]

Called it.

 

[patfanken]

Some comments on the comments:

1. It certainly wasn't love at first listening when I heard about this trade, but it makes some sense. You trade a guy that wasn't going to play this year for someone who MIGHT give you some play at WR and ST's

2. I was concerned about him not returning many kicks as a pro, but did it alot in college

3. The most hopeful post I've seen was the one by Lombardi who noted he didn't drop the ball much. The prevailing negative coming out of Indy was he dropped a lot of passes. Lombardi puts the kibosh on that rumor.

4. As for where he fits in this offense and who "replaces Edelman", I wish people stopped trying to put people into DEFINED roles on this offense. I would think by now people would have figured out that the primary reality of this offense and what makes it so effective is that there ARE NO defined roles week to week.

5. So it's probably a win/win trade for each team. Indy got a QB who might be better than Scott Tollzien, and the Pats get a disappointing first round pick who has a high ceiling and the need for a fresh start. Doesn't seem to be a lot of risk here on either side.

6. BB never ceases to surprise and entertain us.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Brissett is a slower windup, less accuracy, no short touch QB.

That's exactly what the Patriots don't want out of a QB. They gambled on a Ryan Mallett with a winning personality. Apparently, they decided the success percentage chance of modifying his on-field game was not high enough to justify keeping him under the current circumstances, no matter how much they may have loved the guy outside the lines.

This is a good post. Even if Brissett gets to his maximum potential it is not a style of play the Patriots prefer. They want a fast rhythm passer.

 

[mikey m]

He's not a slot guy, I agree. But I think he's not a deep route specialist either. While he made some big plays for us, I think it might have been a statistical anomaly.

In his 4 years with Buffalo, he only averaged 11 yards per reception (Y/R), with a high of 12.5.

Last year in New England, he averaged 17.9 Y/R. But I think it might have been a bit of a statistical stretch based on a small sample size. He had 4 big catches thrown 31+ yards, covering 238 yards, or 59 yards per catch. On his other 34 catches, he averaged 13 yards.

For context, 4 of his 38 catches with the Patriots were thrown 31+ yards, while he only had 3 similar catches out of 87 with the Bills. His best season was his last, where he had 3 catches thrown 31+ yards, and even then he only averaged 12.5 Y/R.

Obviously there's a much much much much much much better QB involved, but that doesn't seem sustainable to me. It wouldn't surprise me if he was compared more to Malcolm Mitchell after this season than deep threats like Brandin Cooks.

I am much quicker to chalk his Buffalo stats up to misuse and poor qb play. He consistently gets behind the defense here and is in sync with Brady on the go routes. I'm not gunna bet on that changing.

 

[Oswlek]

Yes sometimes that's works, and other times he ends up with jermaine cunningham, jake bequette, and geneo grissom

Given that the latter two arrived with Chandler Jones and Trey Flowers, respectively, they are perfectly acceptable. That's kinda the point of a double dip.

 

[luuked]

hard to ever fathom what the Pats will do from year to year but it LOOKS like McD has two WR options that require defenses to double team deep. Pick your poison. If defenses do double Cooks, Dorsett will blow by single coverage. If teams decide to zone cover 2 or cover 6, they will be eaten alive by the short passing game and James White. Take the time to think about this new offensive look...it's sorta like the Moss offensive look except now we have two Moss's, speed wise. It is vital our offensive line stay healthy and play adequate pass protection. If this occurs, this offense quite possible could be the best in BB's tenure as head coach of the NEP.

Perry and Benoit were talking a bit about it on the most recent Quick Slants podcast. If the game against the Texans last year showed anything it was that they were able to match up pretty well with us because we were mostly a horizontal team on offense. Use the absurd talent on the DL to force 1v1 matchups by scheming, flood the intermediate area with players and it made us struggle.

I cant wait to see the end result come winter if everyone stays healthy...

 

[long distance]

If you listen to Lombardi he seems to say the opposite and also says that BB is one fof the best at that. Dont let need drive your draft.

True. But that doesn't mean BPA.

And BPA doesn't have real meaning. Its too subjective and circumstantial.

Plus the other “mantra“ of BB and J.Kraft roster building economy is that the difference between players talent is much smaller than the difference in their investment.
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This Pats draft was clearly addressing needs. Still it was not driven by needs because BB made sure there are as few as possible before entering.

When they were addressing the “DE“ “need“ they first used #32 for Cooks (didn't seem like a need then, it does look so in hindsight), then they used #64 for Ealy+#72 and then they traded down to #83 because they believed one of the edge guys they graded as starter/potential starter will still be there . while the last tackle with similar grade might be gone before #96 so they needed to trade up.

 

[long distance]

another nice Sunday read by Reiss going to Charlie Weis talking on Brissett trade:

Charlie Weis on Jacoby Brissett trade: Pats' QB development pays off again

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I am much quicker to chalk his Buffalo stats up to misuse and poor qb play. He consistently gets behind the defense here and is in sync with Brady on the go routes. I'm not gunna bet on that changing.

I've heard that argument before, and there is some truth to that. But I don't think it makes Hogan an elite deep threat.

His 40-time (4.5) is much closer to Jules (4.52) than Cooks (4.33).

I'm not knocking the guy, just saying it shouldn't be a surprise if his yards per reception are significantly lower this season.

 

[Ivan]

Well, Irsay is a charter member of the evil cabal of owners, so I don't know that all the bad blood has been removed with Grigson, but I believe BB will deal with anybody if he feels the team will be better for it.

As far as Dorsett, I don't see this as grabbing a backup or salvaging something from a guy who would have been cut anyway. I see a 32 yo Edelman coming off an ACL next year, a to be 32 year old Amendola who is a clutch spot player and not durable enough to be a starter, Hogan who is more or less a younger Amendola but more durable and Mitchell who is unproven despite the notions of the fans.

So, other than Cooks who we have through next year the WR situation is not rosy, long-term. Billy gets a guy with elite speed to run through the William Stephen Belichick University of football and see if quality teaching can produce something that can make that future look a bit more rosy.

They will have Cooks, Hogan, Amendola, Mitchell, Dorsett and Edelman returning, that's hardly a weak unit.

 

[TeamFirst]

Then traded IMO

Spending 24 mill on a backup QB is nuts. Will you franchise him again for 28 mill to backup in 2019?

Sure spending 24 mill on back up is nuts, but what other choices do they have? Are you ok going into next season with a rookie QB or vet as back up picking up this system in less than a year?

No I wouldn't franchise him at 28 Mill in 2019, but what's to say Brady doesn't retire in the next 2 years?

Brisset wasn't what they were looking for, OK.

The window is closing pretty fast to find a future qb if it isn't JG.

 

[Uptown]

Mike Loyko‏ @NEPD_Loyko 6m6 minutes ago
I would DEFINITELY take a look at Jeremy Kerley if i were #Patriots for his return experience alone.

Didn't know he was available.

I concur. Plus, he was known to give the Pats fits. Bring em' in Bill.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They will have Cooks, Hogan, Amendola, Mitchell, Dorsett and Edelman returning, that's hardly a weak unit.

All of those players will not be on the 2018 roster.

I suspect 1-2 will be gone with DA being top of the list.

 

[RobertWeathers]

another nice Sunday read by Reiss going to Charlie Weis talking on Brissett trade:

Charlie Weis on Jacoby Brissett trade: Pats' QB development pays off again

Charlie is always good for a quote.

I was glad to hear he's doing pre/postgame commentary this year.

 

[Uptown]

The Dorsett kid is Uber talented, but what's equally as important is that he seems like a grounded, family oriented, high football IQ kid as well. Hope he maximizes his potential with us.

 

[Brit patriot]

The Jimmy decision is a fascinating one. As I have said before, if Bill thinks he has a franchise QB for 10 years, I doubt he lets him walk out for the building for someone who may be about to retire, and certainly could get injured at any point.

Now we don't know if that it what Bill thinks of Jimmy as he never tells us anything (rightly) What is definite is that Bill isn't going to retire on the same day as Brady and watch as what he built gets tanked.

 

[long distance]

now watch Dorsett getting more snaps on ST than O..