Pats trade for JC Jackson

[archstanton543]

This mantra of ZERO ATTENTION has to really end.

We've expended a huge amount of resources on the OL, more than any other team. Look at the # of draft picks alone. 5 interior linemen in the last 2 years. The only FAs available at tackle signed for huge money, and their new teams are in for it since they are both so bad (Brown, McGlinchey). We've done as much as anyone can possibly do to shore up that OL. Not sure what else they could have done.

We don't even know how "bad" this line is. We have a QB that makes things worse for everyone. People are always excusing him and saying he's playing so bad because of the OL, but it very well may be that our QB is so bad, he makes everyone else look very bad. I firmly believe the latter is the case. No matter though it's clear we used 5 draft picks on linemen the last 2 years.

As for the offense, the story is the same as the OL at the WR spot. Yes, we are severely lacking there. In FA, the last few years we've seen hardly any top players come available. Some teams saddled themselves with big contracts ($18m a year) for less than mediocre players. A year ago the local media was whipping Belichick for going on a spending spree for receivers: Nelson Algholor, K Bourne, Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith, Devante Parker. And that has continued this year with Smith-Schuster and Gesicki. We've brought in 7 WRs, and one could argue they were the top WRs/TEs on the market. The other route is trades. People have mentioned AJ Brown and Tyreek Hill, while neglecting the fact that both received top dollar and both had expiring contracts which gave them the power to select which teams they wanted to play for.

The other route for adding WRs is the draft. Belichick deserves criticism for taking Tyquan over Pickens. But those bemoaning the lack of WRs because we took Cole Strange should probably look at the first 6 WRs selected in the Strange draft. All busts or bordering on busts, including Treylon Burks. Still others want to complain about the lack of interest in shoring up the offense in this past draft. But we picked CB Gonzalez and DE Keion White with the first two picks. Are we saying we should not have taken these 2 and instead taken a WR? Who?

Starting in the 4th round, the Patriots made 6 straight offense picks. 3 OL and 2 WRs. There's no way to know right now if the WR we could have taken at the end of the 3rd round will be better than the 2 we got in the 6th round: D Douglas and K Boutte. Until that determination is made, how can anyone say they didn't invest enough resources?

Let's fact it, it's tough to get a true #1 guy. We would have had one if they'd taken Pickens over Tyquan. That's understood and deserving of criticism. But it also has a context around it of the first 6 guys to go before Pickens accomplishing absolutely nothing.

We've been expending a lot of resources at WR and OL. We haven't showed zero interest as this board seems to think. I already made a case for the OL, but the WR spot simply highlights the difficulties of finding a top one (33% shot even in the premium rounds of the draft) while we also see teams placing a premium on the position, which makes it highly unlikely you'll find one in free agency.

Maybe we get lucky and sign Tee Higgins. If that happens, he'll be the rare case, because you can go back the last several year in free agency, and you'll see that teams aren't signing top WRs there anymore, unless you count Robert Woods of the Rams.

tl;dr

(Stopped after the Mac bashing)

 

[upstater1]

So with this much needed move it tells me BB believes in this Defense which is by far the best part of the Team minus injuries. We shouldn't be too bad on the Outsides if Jack and Marcus Jones come back. That said if the Offense can't get out of his way Does BB Pull Mac and roll with Zappe?? We need a QB who can manage the Game make a play or two it's going to be interesting to see how they play this week. Going 1-4 with the Raiders and McDaniel's who owns BB: Bills and Dolphins on the upcoming menu is no easy task.

Plugging a gaping hole on defense doesn't mean there is still hope in the season. You do it because allowing gaping holes gives the opposition more opportunity to exploit you, which leads to all sorts of bad outcomes (like injuries) which have little to do with hopes to make the playoffs. I could argue that both Judon and Gonzalez's injuries happened as a result of the Patriots allowing more space for Dallas to deal, which caused both players to make desperate tackles with shoulders and arms. That's the NFL of course, that happens every game, but when opposing teams are more afraid to exploit the space, you give your tacklers more opportunity to make hits straight on. Just like our players on offense are getting popped regularly with hardly any YAC.

 

[upstater1]

tl;dr

(Stopped after the Mac bashing)

Mac sucks!

 

[archstanton543]

Mac sucks!

I know. It'll be alright.

 

[p8ryts]

This mantra of ZERO ATTENTION has to really end.

We've expended a huge amount of resources on the OL, more than any other team. Look at the # of draft picks alone. 5 interior linemen in the last 2 years. The only FAs available at tackle signed for huge money, and their new teams are in for it since they are both so bad (Brown, McGlinchey). We've done as much as anyone can possibly do to shore up that OL. Not sure what else they could have done.

We don't even know how "bad" this line is. We have a QB that makes things worse for everyone. People are always excusing him and saying he's playing so bad because of the OL, but it very well may be that our QB is so bad, he makes everyone else look very bad. I firmly believe the latter is the case. No matter though it's clear we used 5 draft picks on linemen the last 2 years.

As for the offense, the story is the same as the OL at the WR spot. Yes, we are severely lacking there. In FA, the last few years we've seen hardly any top players come available. Some teams saddled themselves with big contracts ($18m a year) for less than mediocre players. A year ago the local media was whipping Belichick for going on a spending spree for receivers: Nelson Algholor, K Bourne, Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith, Devante Parker. And that has continued this year with Smith-Schuster and Gesicki. We've brought in 7 WRs, and one could argue they were the top WRs/TEs on the market. The other route is trades. People have mentioned AJ Brown and Tyreek Hill, while neglecting the fact that both received top dollar and both had expiring contracts which gave them the power to select which teams they wanted to play for.

The other route for adding WRs is the draft. Belichick deserves criticism for taking Tyquan over Pickens. But those bemoaning the lack of WRs because we took Cole Strange should probably look at the first 6 WRs selected in the Strange draft. All busts or bordering on busts, including Treylon Burks. Still others want to complain about the lack of interest in shoring up the offense in this past draft. But we picked CB Gonzalez and DE Keion White with the first two picks. Are we saying we should not have taken these 2 and instead taken a WR? Who?

Starting in the 4th round, the Patriots made 6 straight offense picks. 3 OL and 2 WRs. There's no way to know right now if the WR we could have taken at the end of the 3rd round will be better than the 2 we got in the 6th round: D Douglas and K Boutte. Until that determination is made, how can anyone say they didn't invest enough resources?

Let's fact it, it's tough to get a true #1 guy. We would have had one if they'd taken Pickens over Tyquan. That's understood and deserving of criticism. But it also has a context around it of the first 6 guys to go before Pickens accomplishing absolutely nothing.

We've been expending a lot of resources at WR and OL. We haven't showed zero interest as this board seems to think. I already made a case for the OL, but the WR spot simply highlights the difficulties of finding a top one (33% shot even in the premium rounds of the draft) while we also see teams placing a premium on the position, which makes it highly unlikely you'll find one in free agency.

Maybe we get lucky and sign Tee Higgins. If that happens, he'll be the rare case, because you can go back the last several year in free agency, and you'll see that teams aren't signing top WRs there anymore, unless you count Robert Woods of the Rams.

I like the way you think. I agree 100%.

 

[ahmed]

This is a good move! I hope this will not result in a .500 record and crappy 1st pick.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

No one is coming. Startingggggg NOW

 

[Patsfan1958]

Former Chargers CB J.C. Jackson refused to enter Week 4 game vs. Raiders prior to trade to Patriots

 

[n1997y]

Encouraging comments from JC…

“I feel like we’ve got the potential to have one of the best secondaries in the league with this defense,” Jackson said at his locker on Thursday. “We’ve just gotta play up to that. This week is going to be a good matchup for us. We can see where we’re at as a secondary.”

and

“I still don’t feel like I’m at my best yet, but I’m doing pretty good,” Jackson said. “I’m holding up. I’m moving pretty fast. But I’m still not at my best yet.”

A year removed from a serious knee injury, what’ll it take for the 27-year-old to return to his best?

“Consistency,” Jackson replied. “Just practicing every day. Doing the recovery. Doing the weight lifting. Just doing everything, I think I’m going to get to that point.”

even with Gonzo out for the year, JC and the Jones boys, Jack and Jon, is not a shabby defensive backfield.

Patriots CB sees potential to be one of NFL’s best secondaries

 

[203Pat]

JC was bad yesterday. I don't know what the hell he was doing on that Tyreek TD. He took a step toward the line of scrimmage for some reason and Tua couldn't wait to drop the bomb on him.

 

[p8ryts]

JC was bad yesterday. I don't know what the hell he was doing on that Tyreek TD. He took a step toward the line of scrimmage for some reason and Tua couldn't wait to drop the bomb on him.

Mapu deep safety coverage, standing immobile.

 

[Wozzy]

Mapu deep safety coverage, standing immobile.

They definitely miss Devin McCourty's speed at free safety.

For some reason they played Duggar at the line of scrimmage and played other safeties like Mapu back... Mapu is a rookie, so that just sounds dumb on its face while facing an explosive team like the Phins.

I prefer Duggar on the line of scrimmage, but they should have had a better faster option at free safety in that case. They have a great group of strong safeties, but not one free safety among them and the only candidate Mills looked to be playing corner yesterday.

All of this might be the result of injuries to Gonzalez and Bolden at CB, but you'd think they'd have a better scheme drawn up.

 

[PatsFan2]

JC was bad yesterday. I don't know what the hell he was doing on that Tyreek TD. He took a step toward the line of scrimmage for some reason and Tua couldn't wait to drop the bomb on him.

Just a horrible Trade JC is Done Myles Away Bryant territory.

 

[TheRainMaker]

JC was bad yesterday. I don't know what the hell he was doing on that Tyreek TD. He took a step toward the line of scrimmage for some reason and Tua couldn't wait to drop the bomb on him.

JC was awful yesterday but really didn't have a choice playing Hill or Waddle who both torched him week 1.

Mapu deep safety coverage, standing immobile.

He has been horrible this year and has no business playing deep S when he was MLB in college. In fact, this is worse malpractice by Bill than Chung. In the first game against Miami, he was playing in the middle and just stood still while Mostart ran to the outside and rumbled for a TD. His reaction time is really bad and this has been going on since the pre-season. He's got bust written all over him.

Just a horrible Trade JC is Done Myles Away Bryant territory.

He actually played well in his first game and his 2nd against Diggs until that late TD.

 

[203Pat]

Mapu deep safety coverage, standing immobile.

They were definitely trying things out at safety yesterday. Looks like Mapu, Mills, and Phillips all played that McCourty spot a bit and while it may not have worked at least it freed Dugger up to make some plays. I am also hoping Mapu ends up as more of a linebacker than a safety.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

What happened to jalen mills? He was a pretty solid cb the first couple years and people were saying he was better suited to play safety. So why isn’t he playing more fs? Or does he suck there?

 

[203Pat]

Still seems to be immature and refused to talk yesterday after the game.



Why the Chargers traded J.C. Jackson one season after an $82.5M deal

 

[sb1]

Still seems to be immature and refused to talk yesterday after the game.



Why the Chargers traded J.C. Jackson one season after an $82.5M deal

Doubt he's here next season. If he's a rental right now that's fine.

The original call to let him walk to the Chargers looks like a good one in hindsight.

 

[203Pat]

Doubt he's here next season. If he's a rental right now that's fine.

The original call to let him walk to the Chargers looks like a good one in hindsight.

I really wouldn't be surprised if him and Jack Jones aren't on the roster at the end of the season.