Pats still interested in Sherman

[Soliel]

Here's the thing. I feel like brady was number 199. So.maybe the half a millionth pick. Sherman yada .bb can make a sherman out of some dire ****.

 

[Bledsoehasaring]

I guess his MCL had nothing to do with it?

Maybe him getting beat but not him losing his turn. Revis as great as he was just starting to decline by 29. I personally believe the reason seattle is shopping him is they know that his best years are behing him. I could be wrong. But if the pats were doing this to a player like sherman i would be positive and so would you. Also its a little convenient that he had an mcl injury that seattle didnt devulge during the season but now that the season is over, thats the reason why he played so bad and also we would like to trade him. Dont you think?

 

[Soliel]

Im sure bb sees through all the hype and obfuscation.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Honestly, I don't think it's that crazy.

The Bucs gave up #13 overall for a 27-year-old Darrell Revis (coming off a torn ACL) and then payed him $16M for the one season he played there.

Now let me be completely clear, I am absolutely, wholeheartedly against trading anything remotely close for that for Sherman, but that type of compensation wouldn't be unprecedented. There are a lot of parallels.

There is THE reason why the Bucs were the Bucs and the Pats are the Pats.

The Bucs may not have been crazy.....But they were galactically stupid.

Just because someone does something dumb doesn't mean it's the right decision.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Was probably mostly made up from the start lol.

 

[GodBrady]

There is THE reason why the Bucs were the Bucs and the Pats are the Pats.

Right, the Pats won't do it (and I don't want them to). But if you're the Seahawks and setting the asking price for Sherman, you don't set your asking price based on what the frugal Patriots would be willing to offer, you set the asking price based on a pool of 31 teams being able to submit their best offer. It's not unreasonable to think that they would use Revis as a rough approximation/precedent.

But, we can agree that the Pats shouldn't (and won't) offer anything close to what the Bucs did! This is all a moot point anyway, because the Pats will not trade for Sherman, and I don't believe the Seahawks will even trade Sherman at all anyway.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Maybe him getting beat but not him losing his turn. Revis as great as he was just starting to decline by 29. I personally believe the reason seattle is shopping him is they know that his best years are behing him. I could be wrong. But if the pats were doing this to a player like sherman i would be positive and so would you. Also its a little convenient that he had an mcl injury that seattle didnt devulge during the season but now that the season is over, thats the reason why he played so bad and also we would like to trade him. Dont you think?

I don't think it's so convenient since other teams, like the Steelers, also were said to have withheld injury information. News of Sherman's MCL broke before all of the trade rumors. It broke before the season was even over. You are definitely welcomed to believe whatever you'd like or skew the narrative to fit your belief, and I'm seriously saying that and not being a smart ass, but understand it's speculation all the same (similar to your sentiment about how I'd feel if the Pats were doing it - how presumptuous of you). My viewpoint is likely speculation as well and neither one of us truly knows anything.

But what I can see at this time is Sherman had a down year by HIS standards. The season he had would have been considered damn good for most other NFL corners. He showed no noticeable decline before that, however. Many people were saying similar things about Revis coming off of 2013 and he showed in 2014 that he was still the best in the business. With that said, different players decline differently and at different times. Revis' decline is in no way indicative of Sherman's.

IMO, Sherman has not shown a decline so steep that news of the Patriots being interested shouldn't excite. I, for one, am a little excited about the possibility, though I said from the beginning that I do not believe it will ultimately happen. So in the end, it's whatever really.

 

[Soliel]

Thelonious..

My clothing rant is indeed a non plaid and non l and l beans wearing, viagra snorting, rained out baseball game anxiety suffering nimrods who all smell badly.. Poisoned tidal flats beach bums who hang around with seagulls and have state laws about how many yard flamingos you can own.

Someone should explain. They are on the wrong side of the country. Jeesh

 

[Bledsoehasaring]

I don't think it's so convenient since other teams, like the Steelers, also were said to have withheld injury information. News of Sherman's MCL broke before all of the trade rumors. It broke before the season was even over. You are definitely welcomed to believe whatever you'd like or skew the narrative to fit your belief, and I'm seriously saying that and not being a smart ass, but understand it's speculation all the same (similar to your sentiment about how I'd feel if the Pats were doing it - how presumptuous of you). My viewpoint is likely speculation as well and neither one of us truly knows anything.

Its a forum and thats what its for is conjecture and debate. I believe it is more likely than not sherman is on the decline. However, there is a very real possibility he was just hurt and he has another 3-4 years. Its all in good fun...not like I my feelings are involved..its just football talk. lol

 

[mgteich]

Yes, Sherman has likely declined from being one of the very best in the NFL. That doesn't mean that he can't become an integral part of the GILMORE-SHERMAN-ROWE troika.

After all, to fill this role, Sherman would be competing with Cyrus Jones and Coleman for that role.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Its a forum and thats what its for is conjecture and debate. I believe it is more likely than not sherman is on the decline. However, there is a very real possibility he was just hurt and he has another 3-4 years. Its all in good fun...not like I my feelings are involved..its just football talk. lol

I hear you. We'll see what happens.

 

[supafly]

Yes, Sherman has likely declined from being one of the very best in the NFL. That doesn't mean that he can't become an integral part of the GILMORE-SHERMAN-ROWE troika.

After all, to fill this role, Sherman would be competing with Cyrus Jones and Coleman for that role.

PFF had him ranked 13th out of 111 CBs last year. He still picked off 4 INTs and only allowed 2 touchdowns. All of that was done while playing through a significant MCL injury. Some here are acting as if he still isn't one of the top CBs in the game, and I think that's silly.

 

[Uptown]

PFF had him ranked 13th out of 111 CBs last year. He still picked off 4 INTs and only allowed 2 touchdowns. All of that was done while playing through a significant MCL injury. Some here are acting as if he still isn't one of the top CBs in the game, and I think that's silly.

People are only saying that simply because he isn't a Patriot. IF he does indeed end up a Patriot, watch how swiftly the tune will change!

Naysayers: "Yes, we got Sherman! Now we have the best secondary of all time!!!"

 

[PatsBoy12]

PFF had him ranked 13th out of 111 CBs last year. He still picked off 4 INTs and only allowed 2 touchdowns. All of that was done while playing through a significant MCL injury. Some here are acting as if he still isn't one of the top CBs in the game, and I think that's silly.

Thank you. The season he had was "drop off" for him but great for 90 percent of the other corners in the game. It's almost like if most other teams lose two in a row or start 2-2, nobody sounds the alarm. If NE stays 2-2, then "they're just not good anymore." It's an analysis based on an expectation. When if Sherman is in a decline, he's still better than 85-90 percent of the league.

 

[TommyD4207]

WRONG! Butler is better w/o question. Also has more upside. Butler has much better man cover skills, is much faster, much quicker, tougher, bettter tackler, can play otside and in the slot. sherman is not usually playing man. hes not patrick peterson. butler can do more things better, which makes him more valuable. The ideal scenario for any defense is still to have cbs in man coverage. They are more valuable than guys who thrive only in zones, simply because youre now freeing up defensive personnel to do other things.like passrush.
If both butler and sherman were ufa today, butler would be more coveted by more teamsand get a bigger contract.

You sure about that? He's already 27.

Also, he's 5'10". This is like the "Isaiah Thomas is better than..." discussions from Celtics fans.

He tries really hard, and does lots of things well, but in the end, he's still 5'10".

 

[supafly]

Thank you. The season he had SAS "drop off" for him but great for 90 percent of the other corners in the game. It's almost like if most other teams lose two in a row or start 2-2, nobody sounds the alarm. If NE stays 2-2, then "they're just not good anymore." It's an analysis based on an expectation. When if Sherman is in a decline, he's still better than 85-90 percent of the league.

Yep, and I'm pretty sure we could walk away after the 2017 season with a fairly minimal dead cap hit, if he had a bad year.

 

[PatsBoy12]

You sure about that? He's already 27.

Also, he's 5'10". This is like the "Isaiah Thomas is better than..." discussions from Celtics fans.

He tries really hard, and does lots of things well, but in the end, he's still 5'10".

He won't listen to anything on this one. He's convinced and his evaluation is perfect. Butler is simply better and there's nothing to it... as far as he's concerned. He talks of Butler like he has zero weaknesses to his game and really has stopped just short of calling him the best in the game (I'm frankly shocked by that considering what I've been reading to this point). The guy went through the thread handing out 'disagrees' to every post that even slightly suggested Gilmore was better, even one's comparing physical make-up for crying out loud. Lol

Butler has played extremely well. I was an advocate since his first camp. I want him in this team long-term. He's in the top 10 in the league at his position. All that said, he has flaws like anyone else... some he can work to improve, some (like size) he can do nothing about unfortunately. Pointing to some of the flaws, like he's so willing to do with Gilmore, is not unfair.

 

[jimnance]

You sure about that? He's already 27.

Also, he's 5'10". This is like the "Isaiah Thomas is better than..." discussions from Celtics fans.

He tries really hard, and does lots of things well, but in the end, he's still 5'10".

Most of the greatest cbs of all time were under 6'. There have been very few even good cbs at 6'1"" and up.

 

[Dillon46]

Idk much like Revis im not too hot on the idea of this Diva CB(Former Shutdown CB) and requiring too many resources to keep him on the roster.

Id rather NE keep or trade Butler then promptly draft his replacement. Then trade off JG(I know the arguement for both sides but logic dictates a trade this year period) and get a ransoms worth of picks off the Brownies. Then watch BB turn those picks into sustained excellence and top-quality production out of some youth locked up for the next 5-6 years on the cheap. Also wouldnt mind a top flight RB drafted to help Brady out....ala our answer to a LeVeon Bell or Zeke-Lyte type player.

Some Pass-Rushers/LBer help and stock up the O-Line

 

[TommyD4207]

Most of the greatest cbs of all time were under 6'. There have been very few even good cbs at 6'1"" and up.

Yeah, it's not 1978 anymore.