Pats release McKenzie

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think alot of this goes back to the owner they haven't spent any money on FA's in the last few years adding good players while developing your young guys. Instead we trade Seymore for a 2011 1st instead of a 2010 1st which would have been a top ten pick where you can get a top defensive player, but no we take the 2011 because there will probably be a new CBA and a rookie salary cap are you freakin kidding me. You didn't want to sign Samuel why because he didn't intercept a pass in the Superbowl! So you spend all this money and effort to replace him they should have signed the guy he is a PLAYMAKER. They hide behind the cap and Felger has continuously shown that its a bunch of baloney. The Jets, Redskins and numerous other teams have shown its a bunch of crap.

What was that all about? You don't want to win? You would prefer to have the winning records of the JETS and Redskins? Drink a beer, take a deep breath and think about what you are saying. The Pats should mimic the JETS and the Redskins? REALLY?

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

I think alot of this goes back to the owner they haven't spent any money on FA's in the last few years adding good players while developing your young guys. Instead we trade Seymore for a 2011 1st instead of a 2010 1st which would have been a top ten pick where you can get a top defensive player, but no we take the 2011 because there will probably be a new CBA and a rookie salary cap are you freakin kidding me. You didn't want to sign Samuel why because he didn't intercept a pass in the Superbowl! So you spend all this money and effort to replace him they should have signed the guy he is a PLAYMAKER. They hide behind the cap and Felger has continuously shown that its a bunch of baloney. The Jets, Redskins and numerous other teams have shown its a bunch of crap.

So Oakland offered the 2010 1st rounder and we turned it down and demanded the 2011 1st rounder? Huh, I didn't know that.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

No the problem is people like to separate them.

If you use draft picks only to bring in players then you basically drafted these players with those picks.

As a matter of fact all the dealings of the summer should be put together. This separating the draft and trades is really ******ed because its all about improving the team every summer by trading or drafting.

For that matter, you could add separating drafted rookies from UDFA rookies, too.

 

[irishman3620]

im interested to see what fletcher brings to the table. his size is similar to dumervilles. maybe a diamond in the rough. hopefully can bring some much needed pass rush. and if cunningham pans out can give 2 young pass rushers which this team desparately needs especially with a young db core. your secondary is only as good as ur pass rush.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

For that matter, you could add separating drafted rookies from UDFA rookies, too.

For that matter - who really cares? It is all about winning. We won more games in the regular and postseason over the last 10 years than any other team. Who cares if it is the Draft, UDFAs, FAs, or BB's dog. Just win BABY!!!

 

[Pats726]

Terrible draft overall. Watson didn't do anything to justify the Pats reaching for him in the first round. Gronkowski already looks better than Watson.


They got lucky with Mankins and one year wonder Cassel. Hobbs isn't with the team anymore and Kaczur could've been cut this year.


Worst draft of the BB era. You are a homer if you think this was a good draft. This absolutely was the reason they didn't win a super bowl in '06. They traded two picks to draft Chad Jackson yet made him go tackle someone on special teams which ended up tearing his ACL.


Why do people insist Welker and Moss were drafted by the Pats? This goes in the trade category. And Welker was technically a FA.


This draft was the second worst. Mayo might have won DROY but so did Kendrell Bell? In addition, it's easier to win an award when your only competition was rookies. Taking Wheatley over Terrell Thomas still bothers me to this day.


I didn't like this draft at the time, but it's looking a lot better. Overall, this draft is better then any of the other mentioned above.

Sometimes I wonder why with a jet fan would say a lot similar things..

 

[IcyPatriot]

Well I am no longer going to judge
a linebacker by the size of their neck.

 

[HomelandDef]

Sometimes I wonder why with a jet fan would say a lot similar things..

2005 was a really good draft, they hit on 5 of 7 picks and with a UFA (Wright). An an NFL starting QB (and how rare is that?), a pro bowl offensive lineman, a solid starting offensive lineman, a CB and a safety who started much of their careers, and now a starting DE as an UFA.

 

[upstater1]

That is freakin' comedy gold.

You need to get rid of that animated .gif in your sig. It will destroy threads.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I disagree. You cant trade for what the player will do. You give the asking price or dont. Given the roster, the need and the asking price, as well as the most reasonable expectation of what Burgess would play like, it was a reasonable decision. The fact that his skills had and were continuing to deteriorate is an unfortunate result. He was brought in ONLY to be a pass rusher in sub packages. He did that for one year, and was cut the following year. Had he played at the expected level, he would have filled a very necessary need last year, and this year as well.
The trade did not work out, but as I said before at the time of the trade it was justified, and a reasonable trade. In terms of seeing into the future it was awful.

I disagree. it was an OK trade. He played. The Pats had a surfeit of high draft picks that were not touched.

They have about five premium draft needs to finish both the defensive and offensive re-building. DE, OLB, OT, OL, and RB. They have five premium draft picks in 2011. 2x1s, 2x2s and at least a 1x3s. But possibly more by 3s. Watson got a $6.5 million SB when he signed as a FA. That is 3rd round compensation territory. Mankins if he were to go, would too. So what are you going to do with the balance of your picks?

i grow very weary of these "pseudo-fans" who think that it is a personal affront to them, that Belichick has not instantly rebuilt the team with some 6 and 7 round pro bowlers.

The SB team got old and a lot of great players got hurt, retired or needed to. McG, Bruschi, Harrison, Colvin, Vrabel, Seymour to name a few.


And Belichick still turned in a 10-6 double digit Division champion. He has added CBs, SILBs, an OLB, future LOT, 2 WRs, a couple of TEs, 2S, and a DE, all of whom will star and play in this League. Maybe he has found o rcan develop a couple of next generation reserve OLs that Dante can groom.

Putting the best late roundewrs or UDFAs on the PS in their second year, seems like on-schedule development to me.

Belichicik has done all this in a mere two seasons, since "The Last Hurrah" that went 18-1 and a 38 seconds from undefeated.

Get Off his rump. If you nothing to say, Say Nothing!!

 

[WelshPat]

Terrible draft overall. Watson didn't do anything to justify the Pats reaching for him in the first round. Gronkowski already looks better than Watson.


They got lucky with Mankins and one year wonder Cassel. Hobbs isn't with the team anymore and Kaczur could've been cut this year.


Worst draft of the BB era. You are a homer if you think this was a good draft. This absolutely was the reason they didn't win a super bowl in '06. They traded two picks to draft Chad Jackson yet made him go tackle someone on special teams which ended up tearing his ACL.


Why do people insist Welker and Moss were drafted by the Pats? This goes in the trade category. And Welker was technically a FA.


This draft was the second worst. Mayo might have won DROY but so did Kendrell Bell? In addition, it's easier to win an award when your only competition was rookies. Taking Wheatley over Terrell Thomas still bothers me to this day.


I didn't like this draft at the time, but it's looking a lot better. Overall, this draft is better then any of the other mentioned above.

The only part of this i disagree with is the 2005 draft. I don't think the Mankins pick was luck, if anyone however uses a 7th round QB as an example of good drafting then they are reaching.

That passing on Terrell Thomas was a pretty big mistake, this isn't looking back with hindsight at all, at the time every scouting service on the planet had Thomas ranked as the best 2nd round rated corner. Most had Wheatley as a late rounder.

But since 2006, this team has struggled in drafting, how can you argue against this? They were still very good on the field, but it looks like it's catching up with them.

 

[alphilip77]

I think alot of this goes back to the owner they haven't spent any money on FA's in the last few years adding good players while developing your young guys. Instead we trade Seymore for a 2011 1st instead of a 2010 1st which would have been a top ten pick where you can get a top defensive player, but no we take the 2011 because there will probably be a new CBA and a rookie salary cap are you freakin kidding me. You didn't want to sign Samuel why because he didn't intercept a pass in the Superbowl! So you spend all this money and effort to replace him they should have signed the guy he is a PLAYMAKER. They hide behind the cap and Felger has continuously shown that its a bunch of baloney. The Jets, Redskins and numerous other teams have shown its a bunch of crap.

Just to let you know, if the Pats had accepted the 2010 pick, it would have been a 2nd rounder, not a first. Thus, the choice for the 2011 pick.

 

[Ring 6]

I hope you're right AJ, because you're doing WAY betting in staying positive then I am tonight. Heck, you're even trying to spin the Burgess trade in a positive light. You did watch him play last year, right? All I know is they tried to bolster their offensive line with some draft picks that they've since cut. They then add a player to the 53 that they didn't even think was worth drafting in any round. I hope he becomes an all pro, but I'm not as giddy as you are about it. I really do hope you are right about both of them.

P.S. - If they don't get McKenzie back to the PS, I'm curious to see who fills in at ILB if Spikes has to sit out games for his little porn movie.

I didnt try to put the Burgess trade in a positive light. I simply am trying to remain rational. At the time it was made, it made sense. It turned out poorly, but if you are going to expect every player to work out to expectations, football shouldnt be your sport. I have been one of the biggest critics of Burgess on this board, but that doesnt mean I ignore the circumstances for why the trade was made, and what would have been a reasonable expectation for his level of play.
I just don't believe in looking around for someone to blame, and recast opinions in hindsight every time something doesnt work out.
I have no clue what you mean by me being 'giddy' about Maneri. I didnt realize calling the guy a project that will end up on the practice sqaud was giddiness. Imagine if I said he might get on the field for a play.

It would appear that if Spikes goes out, BB would rather play Guyton or Fletcher than McKenzie. I don't know why that makes people angry.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I think alot of this goes back to the owner they haven't spent any money on FA's in the last few years adding good players while developing your young guys. Instead we trade Seymore for a 2011 1st instead of a 2010 1st which would have been a top ten pick where you can get a top defensive player, but no we take the 2011 because there will probably be a new CBA and a rookie salary cap are you freakin kidding me. You didn't want to sign Samuel why because he didn't intercept a pass in the Superbowl! So you spend all this money and effort to replace him they should have signed the guy he is a PLAYMAKER. They hide behind the cap and Felger has continuously shown that its a bunch of baloney. The Jets, Redskins and numerous other teams have shown its a bunch of crap.

Crap ?!? Whose full of it?

Just how many Lombardis have the Redskins and Jets posted in the past 15 years? Or even winning seasons?

Asante is wearing out his welcome in Philly with his INTs only for me approach, from what my Iggles friends say.

 

[Ring 6]

Hope you're right, AJ. I think it'll be a real shame is McKenzie is dropped after showing a little something and being only one year removed from major surgery. Even if he didn't show up enough this off-season, you'd like to think they'd have a bit more faith and patience in him.

I dont think its a matter of faith and patience its a matter of putting the best team on the field. Always is, was and will be.
Just because fans liked McKenzie doesnt mean he is the best player for the job.
As far as gifting him a roster spot to develop, it seems unlikely he could pass either of our starting ILBs any time soon.

 

[strongside]

Crap ?!? Whose full of it?

Just how many Lombardis have the Redskins and Jets posted in the past 15 years? Or even winning seasons?

Asante is wearing out his welcome in Philly with his INTs only for me approach, from what my Iggles friends say.

Damn interceptions

 

[Ring 6]

I think alot of this goes back to the owner they haven't spent any money on FA's in the last few years adding good players while developing your young guys. Instead we trade Seymore for a 2011 1st instead of a 2010 1st which would have been a top ten pick where you can get a top defensive player, but no we take the 2011 because there will probably be a new CBA and a rookie salary cap are you freakin kidding me. You didn't want to sign Samuel why because he didn't intercept a pass in the Superbowl! So you spend all this money and effort to replace him they should have signed the guy he is a PLAYMAKER. They hide behind the cap and Felger has continuously shown that its a bunch of baloney. The Jets, Redskins and numerous other teams have shown its a bunch of crap.

Yeah, those Redskins and Jets have won so many SBs. Why can't we be like them,

 

[Ring 6]

Just to let you know, if the Pats had accepted the 2010 pick, it would have been a 2nd rounder, not a first. Thus, the choice for the 2011 pick.

That is a disputed point. My understanding since the day of the trade has been that the offer was a 2010 #1 and BB requested it to be the 2011, which was a genius move.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

No the problem is people like to separate them.

If you use draft picks only to bring in players then you basically drafted these players with those picks.

As a matter of fact all the dealings of the summer should be put together. This separating the draft and trades is really ******ed because its all about improving the team every summer by trading or drafting.

I don't understand the need to include them as draft picks, except as a way to defend questionable drafts. Is anyone running around trying to include Derrick Burgess and Duane Starks in any of these draft classes? You're also not factoring in age and contractual control and cost. Also being overlooked is the fact that these players had already been drafted, Moss by the Vikings in 1998 (or in Welker's case signed as an undrafted free agent) therefore they can't be drafted again by the Patriots. Call them acquisitions, trades or whatever but calling them draft picks or saying that the Pats drafted them is factually wrong.

 

[ausbacker]

Well I am no longer going to judge
a linebacker by the size of their neck.

Wouldn't be a stretch to imagine he tells the ladies to check out his girth?