Pats Rebuild Intermittent View of Progress

[RobertWeathers]

I'd say down year relatively speaking. Best team in the league hands down in 2003 and 2004 to not a great team in 2005.

They were still a contender. If they went 8-8 or worse that seems like more of a down year to me.

 

[Ring 6]

I have been paying attention. Since day one Bill has approached every season as a new beginning and a season in progress.
Making the playoffs years after top players left doesn't equate to a rebuild either. Wouldn't a rebuild create a worse season than that?

I guess you just have an unusual definition of the word rebuild.
The team was in the AFCCG 8 years in a row, then had to take a step back as the players that were part of that run moved on for age, cap restraints, or whatever.
We had zero hope to win in 2020 and turned the roster over in 2021 with 40-45% of the snaps being played on both sides of the ball by people who were not here on 2020. That’s a rebuild.
For some reason you seem to be adding results you would expect to happen in a rebuild as a criteria, which is wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

Never say never. If Mac isn't the guy I don't think the team or Bill himself will see any sense in a 70+ year BB around here waiting for a new franchise QB. The team cannot ask him not to be GM anymore or they lose the HC as well.

He isnt going anywhere.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As disappointed as I am at the loss of Brady, I'm delighted in the fact that he AND Bill gave us the best two decades of any team in history. They could have a losing record until Bill retires and I'd still feel ahead of the game.

For those of us who have been fans before the BB/TB era these past two decades have been a gift.

...but I want to be back on top of the football mountain.

 

[1960Pats]

There's a lot going on now. If we get into another BB vs TB discussion here, this thread will be shut down.

Why don't you give an example of what has you to the point that you want to shut it down? That would help much more than a blanket statement that "there's a lot going on now." I have no clue what you're talking about really.

Btw, IMHO, the ridiculous notion that there can't be debate about Bill vs Tom or even criticism of the coaching or drafting goes against everything that a message board should be.

 

[ashley]

Why don't you give an example of what has you to the point that you want to shut it down? That would help much more than a blanket statement that "there's a lot going on now." I have no clue what you're talking about really.

Btw, IMHO, the ridiculous notion that there can't be debate about Bill vs Tom or even criticism of the coaching or drafting goes against everything that a message board should be.

No disrespect here, but what you think doesn't matter to me. Go back to the Tampa Bay Forum if you want to discuss TB vs BB. I'm sure you add a lot to that forum, but not so much on here.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

No disrespect here, but what you think doesn't matter to me. Go back to the Tampa Bay Forum if you want to discuss TB vs BB. I'm sure you add a lot to that forum, but not so much on here.

 

[sb1]

I guess you just have an unusual definition of the word rebuild.
The team was in the AFCCG 8 years in a row, then had to take a step back as the players that were part of that run moved on for age, cap restraints, or whatever.
We had zero hope to win in 2020 and turned the roster over in 2021 with 40-45% of the snaps being played on both sides of the ball by people who were not here on 2020. That’s a rebuild.
For some reason you seem to be adding results you would expect to happen in a rebuild as a criteria, which is wrong.

Yeah 2020 was not a rebuild.
2021 was the start when we (hopefully) got our QB, 2022 continues the process and so will 2023 and beyond. But you want to see some progress too. I'd like to think 10-7 and playoffs was progress.

 

[BB8XSBW]

LOL we actually have a Bucs fan on here?

Dude, take your 2 little rings and get the hell out of here before you get laughed at and mocked mercilessly. In case you've forgotten, you're on the board of a 6x SB champion dynasty. We look down on anyone with 5 or fewer Lombardi trophies.

Don't let me catch you around here again or I'll verbally wedgie you.

 

[sb1]

They were still a contender. If they went 8-8 or worse that seems like more of a down year to me.

That's fair. Then I'd say it was a down year at least on defense which is independent of record.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah 2020 was not a rebuild.
2021 was the start when we (hopefully) got our QB, 2022 continues the process and so will 2023 and beyond. But you want to see some progress too. I'd like to think 10-7 and playoffs was progress.

Making the playoffs with a rookie QB is enormous progress. There are fewer examples of that than examples of us winning the SB.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's fair. Then I'd say it was a down year at least on defense which is independent of record.

Losing Rodney vs Pitt was a deathblow.

Once they got Tedy back the D played better.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah 2020 was not a rebuild.
2021 was the start when we (hopefully) got our QB, 2022 continues the process and so will 2023 and beyond. But you want to see some progress too. I'd like to think 10-7 and playoffs was progress.

2020 was the tear down.

 

[203Pat]

No disrespect here, but what you think doesn't matter to me. Go back to the Tampa Bay Forum if you want to discuss TB vs BB. I'm sure you add a lot to that forum, but not so much on here.

 

[sb1]

Making the playoffs with a rookie QB is enormous progress. There are fewer examples of that than examples of us winning the SB.

To be fair that's because most teams with rookie QB's are not very good. There's a reason why they were drafting high enough to pick one of the top rookie QB's in the draft.

 

[203Pat]

Yeah 2020 was not a rebuild.
2021 was the start when we (hopefully) got our QB, 2022 continues the process and so will 2023 and beyond. But you want to see some progress too. I'd like to think 10-7 and playoffs was progress.

I still don't get what the hell we did in 2020. We seemingly had no plan for that season from the get go. Show Brady the door with no backup plan then pick up Cam off the scrap heap which I won't fault Bill for taking a shot on him but I will fault him for staying with him by November when it was clear he couldn't play and we were sitting at 2-5. To me that was the perfect opportunity to rip off the bandaid and start the full rebuild. Bill had the "covid year" excuse with all the opt outs and we could have got a good look at some of the younger guys but instead we re-signed McCourty and spent $13 million on a guard for one year (and cost us a high comp pick). As the season wore on I kept *****ing about not getting to see more playing time for some of the younger guys on the roster. The season was already lost but we still didn't get to see a lot from Uche, Jennings, Joejuan, Stidham and a couple of the other young guys. At that point playing them was a win/win as they would have gained experience and Bill would have been able to find out out if they could play in real game situations. Instead we battled it out with Cam and some other guys who everyone knew wouldn't be on the team in a year to win 7 games.

 

[Grogan14]

Rebuilds can take many many years (see Buffalo and the Jets) or they can happen ultra quick.
As an example of an ultra quick rebuild....see the Pittsburgh Steelers. Over the past 3 years they have done just about everything right. Great drafting, great free agent signings, great trades (Minkah Fitzpatrick) to the point where they now have 3 really good QB's any one of which is better than many teams starting QB's.
Without a top echelon QB and a really sharp GM...the rebuild will take a long long time. Not saying that is true for the Pats, but BB has to do better as a GM...much better.
As far as Mac goes, I do not know what the coming years hold but they need to build around him with electric talent and coaching. That is not happening yet.

 

[captain stone]

The Pats are old and getting older. Bad drafts and bad team building do not bode well for the Pats...

The only potential young stars on the Pats roster are Mac and Barmore (both 23 BTW), other than that, the Pats are going to need a whole new cast moving forward. This will be the last year for McCourty (although he will cost $10 mil against the 2023 cap), Slater, Wynn, etc. In fact, the Pats are scheduled to have 36 guys on the current roster, enter free agency next year!!

The rebuild has yet to begin, the Pats lost out on a shot to get another good young player when they traded down and drafted a 3rd 24 year old, Div 3 guard in the first round instead of making a pick at #21. Again, the BEST the Pats can hope for is a wash with trading Mason and drafting Strange (that's not counting the draft capital lost). That pick will set the Pats back even further...

Hopefully BB doesn't squander the top ten pick this year will result in.

I had/have no problem at all with the trade-down to 29... It's the pick itself with which I had/have a big, Big, BIG problem... Shoulda been Purdue DE George Karlaftis or Michigan DB Dax Hill; either would've been a reasonable choice at 21, never mind 29...

 

[captain stone]

I'd listen to RW here SB, BB will leave after he breaks Shula's record.

Yeah he ain't breaking Shula's record.

 

[Guts]

..see the Pittsburgh Steelers. Over the past 3 years they have done just about everything right. Great drafting, great free agent signings, great trades (Minkah Fitzpatrick) to the point where they now have 3 really good QB's any one of which is better than many teams starting QB's.

Sorry friend but Mitch, Mason and a rookie are not really good QBs. (Jury still out on the rookie)