Pats Rebuild Intermittent View of Progress

[sb1]

2 12-5 seasons and 1 playoff win each year does it. No reason that can’t happen.

I would bet he'll get there but there's no guarantee it will be with NE.

 

[1960Pats]

Except in one scenario the Patriots won a Superbowl and in the other they barely were in the playoffs.

If they take a step back from last year then heads are going to roll and rightfully so.

It's easy to swallow missing the playoffs when you've won the Superbowl 10 months before that but missing the playoffs after bailing in the first round the year before is a step backwards and NOT part of the process of what is to be expected.

The Pats have banked enough good will with me over the last 20 years that I'm not real concerned about their record as much as I was before that.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

How it works: one of them gets an idea about something that might be possible and would be newsworthy in their world. The veracity ranges from a single direct source close to team, or just something they make up. They utter it on Twitter or a radio show. To avoid being responsible for stating something that turns out to not be true, they'll often use a cowardly preamble of things like, "I don't know, people are saying" or "That's what's out there, don't know if it is true" or "there are some who say it, I don't know how many" and using "if" to start a statement of fact. Then it becomes an echo chamber, and suddenly its true - lots of people are saying it, and "where there's smoke, there's fire." Soon, someone posts it on Pats fans and it becomes an assumed truth around here.

Again have you known Tom E. Curran to not be a reliable source? He is nothing like what you are describing. He is actually a inside source.

Again there's enough reports out there to back up the situation, not for twitter clicks. I'm not talking about any sources from ESPN. Mike Reiss would be the only one from ESPN i would ever mention cuz he use to cover the pats locally and he is reliable as well. But anyways tou seem to choose not to believe, so ok.

 

[203Pat]

People are acting like we're in a real rebuild when we still have the second oldest roster in the league. Unless Mac takes big leap this year I think this team may be fighting to reach double digit wins for a year or two.

 

[Ghost_Rush02]

I thought he did beat Buffalo.

He didn't. He was not used In that Buffalo game at all, like literally.

 

[Triumph]

Did you say that last season too?

Nope, just sat back and watched all the hype crash and burn.

Heres how the final 4 games panned out.

MAC
L 9 - 8 Indy - Jones with 2 INTS
L 11 - 6 Buffalo - Jones with 2 INTS + Fumble
W 3 - 14 Jacksonville - 3 TDs
L 9 - 8 Miami - Jones 1 INT + Fumble

Why the negativity? It's too early to give up on them.

Facing reality is not giving up.

This team is not ready to start the season.

 

[Grogan14]

I thought he did beat Buffalo.

The wind beat buffalo the first time. He threw three passes

 

[jimnance]

2021 was not a down year either as it's a new era of Patriot football and they are rebuilding.

Personally, I believe a team can only have a down year if an annual solid track-record has been established and the negative result is a significant deviation from normal performance.

For instance, if Alabama goes to the TaxSlayer Bowl then that is a down year.

2002 was not a down year as it was a miracle they won in 2001.

You could argue 2009 was a down year. Maybe.

From a franchise standpoint the only real down year was 2020.

I agree but I'd argue that even 2020 wasn't a down year considering the lack of talent especially on offense.

 

[Triumph]

The wind beat buffalo the first time. He threw three passes

Brady could never beat the Bills with only 3 passes.

 

[Ring 6]

Rebuilding from losing one player? He must have been important.

Well not just rebuilding from one player but rebuilding from the end of an all in approach that took them to 8 division champs, 8 trips to afccg, 5 SBs and 3 championships in 8 years.
It left them with players, including Brady departing and no cap space to replace or add. So they buy the bullet in 2020 and with the cap room the y had in 2021 they started the rebuild.
Have you not been paying attention?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree but I'd argue that even 2020 wasn't a down year considering the lack of talent especially on offense.

Correct. It's all a matter of perspective.

As a franchise, the NEP consistently are in the championship discussion so when the 1st losing season in 20 years occurs is a down year.

Now, if we want to label 2020 is "AB" (After Brady) and any/all expectations should be thrown in the trash I agree 100%

 

[Ring 6]

I would bet he'll get there but there's no guarantee it will be with NE.

He isn’t going anywhere else. Jesus.

 

[Ring 6]

and Gronk

And an 8 year run of staying on top.

 

[1960Pats]

Well not just rebuilding from one player but rebuilding from the end of an all in approach that took them to 8 division champs, 8 trips to afccg, 5 SBs and 3 championships in 8 years.
It left them with players, including Brady departing and no cap space to replace or add. So they buy the bullet in 2020 and with the cap room the y had in 2021 they started the rebuild.
Have you not been paying attention?

I have been paying attention. Since day one Bill has approached every season as a new beginning and a season in progress.
Making the playoffs years after top players left doesn't equate to a rebuild either. Wouldn't a rebuild create a worse season than that?

 

[sb1]

He isn’t going anywhere else. Jesus.

Never say never. If Mac isn't the guy I don't think the team or Bill himself will see any sense in a 70+ year BB around here waiting for a new franchise QB. The team cannot ask him not to be GM anymore or they lose the HC as well.

 

[ashley]

There's a lot going on now. If we get into another BB vs TB discussion here, this thread will be shut down.

 

[ashley]

Never say never. If Mac isn't the guy I don't think the team or Bill himself will see any sense in Bill sticking around here waiting for a new franchise QB. The team cannot ask him not to be GM anymore or they lose the HC as well.

I'd listen to RW here SB, BB will leave after he breaks Shula's record.

 

[sb1]

Thats not a down year.

They were still a playoff team which made it to the AFC divisionals

I'd say down year relatively speaking. Best team in the league hands down in 2003 and 2004 to not a great team in 2005.

 

[1960Pats]

Correct. It's all a matter of perspective.

As a franchise, the NEP consistently are in the championship discussion so when the 1st losing season in 20 years occurs is a down year.

Now, if we want to label 2020 is "AB" (After Brady) and any/all expectations should be thrown in the trash I agree 100%

As disappointed as I am at the loss of Brady, I'm delighted in the fact that he AND Bill gave us the best two decades of any team in history. They could have a losing record until Bill retires and I'd still feel ahead of the game.

 

[sb1]

I'd listen to RW here SB, BB will leave after he breaks Shula's record.

I hope he can do it here in NE!