Pats get CB Aqib Talib from the Bucs !!

[BradyFTW!]

They paid a high price for a player that might have been straight release, so I don't see why you're arguing on this point. If the guy helps them win the Super Bowl, nobody's going to care what the cost was. If he busts, the cost will be noted repeatedly. And, with this sort of baggage-involved trade, that's how it should be.

Pretty much, this. I'm fine with the trade because I think that Talib has a good chance of being the sort of player that gets the Pats over the hump and makes them the favorite to go all the way. If he's able to play to the level that he's established in the Pats' defense, then he's exactly what we need.

That said, if the character concerns turn out to be even worse than I was aware of, then I will have been wrong, and Belichick too. Can't rule out the likelihood of that; happened with Haynesworth, and could happen here too.

Based on the likelihood that he flames out, plus the Bucs' desire to get rid of him, I think a 6th rounder or so would have been more reasonable, but the potential upside of the deal makes me not hate the trade as is. It was a steep price to pay for a guy whose bust potential is so high, but he has what we need, so so be it.

I also think that, if you wanted to, you could philosophically link this to the trade-ups for Jones and Hightower. The nature of the team is such that stockpiling picks and acquiring premium depth and camp competition is no longer the best way to make the team better. The Pats no longer lack those guys - what they lack now is premium talent, and today they got a premium talent for a 4th rounder. Hopefully it works out.

 

[ATippett56]

The Pats no longer lack those guys - what they lack now is premium talent, and today they got a premium talent for a 4th rounder. Hopefully it works out.

Not exactly. What the New England Patriots lack is competent talent in the defensive secondary.

 

[RayClay]

yeah...I mean...WTF...so Bedard quotes "anonymous" AFC personnel execs who slam Talib as a "character risk!!!" and then one supposed exec exclaims breathlessly "who were the Pats competing against for Talib's services??"...uh gee...I don't know...hey didn't some AFC team lose their #1 corner and last week got torn to little pieces at home by a BACKUP QB???

DUH

Oh noes! A fourth round pick! That just destroys my future draft board!!!

That attitude just cracks me up. They made a move and paid their price required for it. If he's a stiff, he's a stiff, but a fourth rounder is simply a future lottery ticket. The acquisition of future players will continue with the loss of one low pick, and the team won't be guaranteed anything if they acquire an extra 4th. It's one roll of the dice.

Of course, it would be different if it was a 6th, because that would be a future Tom Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

They paid a high price for a player that might have been straight released, so I don't see why you're arguing on this point. If the guy helps them win the Super Bowl, nobody's going to care what the cost was. If he busts, the cost will be noted repeatedly. And, with this sort of baggage-involved trade, that's how it should be.

I don't think its correct to judge in hindsight. Sure whether it was a good or bad trade will be obvious in a few months, but all that is available now is risk vs reward.
I think its very reasonable for a team in the Patriots situation to risk a 4th for the potential reward.
I think you have to judge the decision by the parameters at the time.

 

[xlcjw72]

People who hate this trade need to stop being fans, if you were to tell me that we could get him for a 4th i would of thought you were insane! lets be honest a lot of players have character issues even dennard! a 4th is nothing thats one trade down unbelivable! this guy is proven!

 

[BradyFTW!]

Oh noes! A fourth round pick! That just destroys my future draft board!!!

That attitude just cracks me up. They made a move and paid their price required for it. If he's a stiff, he's a stiff, but a fourth rounder is simply a future lottery ticket. The acquisition of future players will continue with the loss of one low pick, and the team won't be guaranteed anything if they acquire an extra 4th. It's one roll of the dice.

Of course, it would be different if it was a 6th, because that would be a future Tom Brady.

Odd, because philosophy cracks me up. How do you think the Pats acquired most of the players that they won those three SBs with? Hint: they were judicious with their draft picks.

Sometimes trading mid-round picks for a veteran is a good move, and sometimes it isn't. Nobody misses the picks that were traded for Dillon or Ted Washington, and for good reason. You simply have to evaluate it on a case-by-case basis, because any attempt to simplify the issue beyond that is doomed to failure from the start. Were you this flippant when the Pats traded a 3rd and a 5th for Derrick Burgess?

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think its correct to judge in hindsight. Sure whether it was a good or bad trade will be obvious in a few months, but all that is available now is risk vs reward.
I think its very reasonable for a team in the Patriots situation to risk a 4th for the potential reward.
I think you have to judge the decision by the parameters at the time.

This is an in-season trade for a player who's

• going to be rusty coming off a suspension
• going to play no more than 7 regular season games, and learning the "D" all the while
• fully capable of getting arrested at a moment's notice
• a free agent at the end of the season

I think your position, while one I generally hold, is one that would be too kneejerk in this case. The specific circumstances take this trade out of the general rule, IMO.

 

[BSR]

This is an in-season trade for a player who's

• going to be rusty coming off a suspension
• going to play no more than 7 regular season games, and learning the "D" all the while
• fully capable of getting arrested at a moment's notice
• a free agent at the end of the season

I think your position, while one I generally hold, is one that would be too kneejerk in this case. The specific circumstances take this trade out of the general rule, IMO.

So you are saying you don't like the trade?

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I don't see it as a big deal. He is a decent corner when he isn't in trouble with the law. Not a stud...not a JAG..a decent CB

 

[Deus Irae]

So you are saying you don't like the trade?

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/962233-pats-get-cb-aquib-talib-bucs-page4.html#post3224605

I'm fine with it because of the circumstances with the Patriots defensive backfield, but it's too soon to judge whether it it's truly good or bad because of the circumstances with Aqib Talib. It's a pricey deal, but it's worth trying. Whether it works out, only time can tell.

 

[ATippett56]

Were you this flippant when the Pats traded a 3rd and a 5th for Derrick Burgess?

Aqib Talib - 2013 4th Round Draft Pick

Albert Haynesworth - 2013 5th Round Draft Pick

Chad Ochocinco - 2012 5th Round Draft Pick & 2013 6th Round Draft Pick

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-..._/id/4733604/re-setting-pats-2013-draft-picks

 

[VrabelJr]

This is an in-season trade for a player who's

• going to be rusty coming off a suspension
• going to play no more than 7 regular season games, and learning the "D" all the while
• fully capable of getting arrested at a moment's notice
• a free agent at the end of the season

I think your position, while one I generally hold, is one that would be too kneejerk in this case. The specific circumstances take this trade out of the general rule, IMO.

Deus Irae being negative? Geewilickers, You don't say!

 

[BSR]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/962233-pats-get-cb-aquib-talib-bucs-page4.html#post3224605

I'm fine with it because of the circumstances with the Patriots defensive backfield, but it's too soon to judge whether it it's truly good or bad because of the circumstances with Aqib Talib. It's a pricey deal, but it's worth trying. Whether it works out, only time can tell.

I just didn't want to go back through 31 pages to find it.

I am fine with the price as I think that this team has a lot of potential with just one glaring weakness, the secondary. If a guy like Talib works out, that can pretty much correct a lot of your problems. As such its worth rolling the dice for a 4th round pick.

I think its fair to judge the result in hindsight, but not to judge the decision. The decision, I think is a good one.

 

[Deus Irae]

Deus Irae being negative? Geewilickers, You don't say!

VrabelJr posting on something when he doesn't know what he's talking about?


Geewilickers, you don't say!

 

[Joker]

In the phrase, "Golly Gee Wilikers", what is a wiliker?

 

[woolster22]

Not exactly. What the New England Patriots lack is competent talent in the defensive secondary.

The kid can play. I didn't read the whole thread and don't really care what he was suspended for. If I remember correctly he was an impact performer within a young defense. You think he is going to come into Foxboro and act like a fool with big Vince and mayo looking over his shoulder? Spikes may not be a good coupling with him, but it seems he has kind of been keeping it together lately (maybe because I gave up on Twitter...). While a young team, there certainly are a few solid leaders. Am I the only one that thinks this among Randy for a fourth steals?

If there is a team that can reconcile off field issues, it is new England, otherwise your career is over (assuming said head case comes to town, look them up, Randy kind of being the exception with a "come back" stint in SF). Rodney was done and nuts, Dillon was a jerk, moss, etc. This kid can play, question is really if he can keep it together(again, ignorant to his transgressions, assuming woman hitting hot head/boozer. if the case, this team could kind of use this presence. Someone looking to impose their will). A fifteen yard pf here and there is well worth knocking a wr out of his comfort zone.

Dennard has it, nobody else does. Dowling thinks he has it, but he doesn't. Can't stay on the field either. McCourty has it but doesn't realize it, can't turn his head around either. Pencil him at safety and watch this group take off. People thought he was needed at corner, where he may be a c- talent (yes, that's his ceiling, see; head turning). Start him with his head to the ball...I like his chances. Dennard seems to have all the tools. Even the long completion the other week came off a muffed pick off his shoulder pad. He doesn't get the benefit that other green and white clad corners are privileged to either. A few of his interference/holding valid have been absolute jokes.

I guess what I'm thinking is this is the next Randy type trade. I don't know contract info, don't know the off field issues, simply that this kid can play corner effectively, something in high demand here. Again, McCourty seems to have an infinitely higher ceiling at safety than cb. First, head turning. Second, the kids has a brain (by athlete standards...), and seems to have the leadership qualities when comfortable/confident (these two words key).

In short, I love the flyer for a fourth.

 

[woolster22]

VrabelJr posting on something when he doesn't know what he's talking about?


Geewilickers, you don't say!

Condescending filth flowing through your fingers once again...shocking.

 

[serifyn]

Well its not like he can come in here and make our secondary any worse.

 

[ATippett56]

The kid can play. I didn't read the whole thread and don't really care what he was suspended for. If I remember correctly he was an impact performer within a young defense.

The point is the New England Patriots may need more than Aqib Talib to fix the porous New England Patriots defensive secondary.

 

[Lansdowne]

Cautious optimism given the risk/reward scenario, is understandable. But given how crappy the secondary has been playing and the lack of alternatives, how can you NOT like this move for the Pats? Wes Welker has a message for the Debbie Downers out there.