Patriots won't Mortgage picks to move up for a QB

[PatsFan2]

Mayfield, his antics aside, would be the only QB i’d trade up for. You have to leap frog over the Jets though and trade with the Giants.

But...but both Teams need QB's.

 

[Kontradiction]

If we are going by that logic and we have a QB who should play atleast Two more years why mortgage to get to the top?? The guy or guys we draft are going to sit for at least two years... I can't see the GOAT playing beyond that.

Because, after the guy at the top, what you have left are guys like Jackson (one read and go), Lauletta (weak arm), Woodside (one read and go, elongated throwing motion), and others that have either big flaws or multiple flaws in their game. And, assuming that all of them outside of Jackson are drafted outside the first round, none of them come with the 5th year option.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

But...but both Teams need QB's.

The giants could take a QB but less likely than Jetes since they have Eli for a couple more years.

 

[PatsFan2]

I expect the Broncos to take Chubb if he falls to them. The Jete may not grab a QB in that spot depending on how they feel about Bridgewater. If they do, I certainly hope it's not Mayfield. I would much rather it be Rosen or Allen.

Kontra I see you have a hard on for Mayfield ...I have learned not to fall in love with any one player but a group of players.

 

[PatsFan2]

Because, after the guy at the top, what you have left are guys like Jackson (one read and go), Lauletta (weak arm), Woodside (one read and go, elongated throwing motion), and others that have either big flaws or multiple flaws in their game. And, assuming that all of them outside of Jackson are drafted outside the first round, none of them come with the 5th year option.

I see what you're saying but that's the NFL for ya it is what is...the Players like the Four years though.

 

[Ring 6]

I know, they have to write something. In reality, they know about what we know. I trust certain guys... Curran is probably at the top of that short list. Zo has access, but I think he's 100% in on holding the corporate line.

We are all likely to be as qualified as any of those guys, when it comes to speculating what the team will do. The era of good reporting is gone. Hot Takes and garnering clicks, that's all they want now.

Plus there is a lot of competition which makes it worse.

 

[Simpelton]

I think we take two quarterbacks. One in the 2nd round, one in the 6th or 7th or a good UDFA. The job of the low round guy is to threaten the second round guy so he can't get complacent, the way they did with Garoppolo and Brissett that one year.

I also think the target with the 2nd rounder may well be a low ceiling/high floor guy, someone who could step in and be reasonable NOW rather than a high ceiling project. We really don't know how long TB12 is going to go, he's already well past the window for most quarterbacks to be doing what he's doing... we as fans can enjoy this while it lasts, but the team needs to be prepared at all times for the law of averages to reassert itself.

 

[Ring 6]

I think Rosen would be the best pick for the Pat’s offense, but I don’t think the Pats would trade up to get him. Jackson is interesting because supposedly Louisville’s offense has a lot of similarities to the Pat’s. Lauletta has a very quick release but pepeople here think he has a noodle arm. Mike White has a good arm and a quick release and good size, he may be the guy the Pats select.

Jackson is going to be a bust. He is not an bfl starting caliber QB. He could develop but has a very long way to go.

The rest is a crapshoot and honestly it’s more about their attitude and mentality and intellect (which needs to be multiple levels higher in the nfl than the ncaa) than their arm.
And then coaching.

That’s why so many qbs come out every year as can’t miss prospects and end up as geno smith, Blaine gabbard, Jake locker, rg111, manziel, Blake bottles, etc etc etc
Everyone of those guys had the physical skills to be hall of faners if they had what was needed above the neck.

 

[mgteich]

I agree with your listing of QB draft failures. On the other hand, a large proportion of NFL franchise QB's and starters have come out of the first 2 rounds.

Jackson is going to be a bust. He is not an bfl starting caliber QB. He could develop but has a very long way to go.

The rest is a crapshoot and honestly it’s more about their attitude and mentality and intellect (which needs to be multiple levels higher in the nfl than the ncaa) than their arm.
And then coaching.

That’s why so many qbs come out every year as can’t miss prospects and end up as geno smith, Blaine gabbard, Jake locker, rg111, manziel, Blake bottles, etc etc etc
Everyone of those guys had the physical skills to be hall of faners if they had what was needed above the neck.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree with your listing of QB draft failures. On the other hand, a large proportion of NFL franchise QB's and starters have come out of the first 2 rounds.

More busts than successes.
A lot of mediocrity too.

I don’t know what a “franchise qb” really is but the list of guys who’s teams have won because of them arevery limited.

To me guys like Philip Rivers or Kirk cousins or Matt Ryan or Carson Palmer who put up pretty numbers but don’t win aren’t guys I would consider a successful pick, nor are guys like Eli who’s team wins when it dies largely in spite of him.

Could those guys have become winners under belichick? Maybe but that creates the argument that we aren’t looking for what everyone else is (brains and mechanics and leadership over arm) and a high pick may be no more valuable to us.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree with your listing of QB draft failures. On the other hand, a large proportion of NFL franchise QB's and starters have come out of the first 2 rounds.

And that was a small, partial list off the cuff. There are many more.

 

[Steve102]

Could those guys have become winners under belichick? Maybe but that creates the argument that we aren’t looking for what everyone else is (brains and mechanics and leadership over arm) and a high pick may be no more valuable to us.

This is where I trust Belichick to find "the guy". It's so much about what's between the ears. I just know that I wouldn't want to be the "next guy". The scrutiny by the fans and the media (clowns ) is going to be like nothing we've seen. It's going to take a special kind of guy to handle the pressure.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

If you take any article about who a team is going to draft seriously, and the team involved is not the Browns at #1, you're crazy. Based upon the combination of written/spoken reports/speculations, we already know that the Patriots are going to:

Trade to the top of the draft to grab one of the top 4 QBs
Trade up a little to grab a 2nd tier QB
Stay pat and draft a QB either at the bottom of round one or in a later round
Not draft a QB at all

you left out:
E. All of the above
F. None of the above.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

The only thing I feel I know for sure at this time of the year about anything that the Patriots reportedly "might" do in the Draft is that they "might not" do it.

 

[maust]

This is where I trust Belichick to find "the guy". It's so much about what's between the ears. I just know that I wouldn't want to be the "next guy". The scrutiny by the fans and the media (clowns ) is going to be like nothing we've seen. It's going to take a special kind of guy to handle the pressure.

Agreed. It's never easy being the guy coming in behind The Guy. While I do think the next guy here will be under absolutely brutal scrutiny as long as Belichick is still here he will at least have the benefit of having the game's best media neuterer as his coach.

 

[363839]

Actually, the best thing for the Pats to do regarding QB, is to simply play out Brady's career and never get a replacement until after Brady retires. Play one year with a mediocre free agent replacement and when we finish the year in last place we can go spend that first pick on the best QB in that draft.
Hey it worked for the Colts, didn't it?

 

[50-yard-line]

I know, they have to write something. In reality, they know about what we know. I trust certain guys... Curran is probably at the top of that short list. Zo has access, but I think he's 100% in on holding the corporate line.

We are all likely to be as qualified as any of those guys, when it comes to speculating what the team will do. The era of good reporting is gone. Hot Takes and garnering clicks, that's all they want now.

Disagree. Price is great, Curran is great, Reiss is great...there are others.

The problem isn't the REPORTER, it's having an insatiable audience that wants something to discuss many times a day. Pre-internet (the golden age?), you didn't hear a peep about the NFL post-Suberbowl, other than a parade, draft day itself, the opening of camp, and pre-season games.

There are a few differences between the actual, good reporters and the schleps on the board (there are some here who could indeed do this job):

1. They're simply better writers.
2. They are around the team more often...this can lead to speculation, but also to insight.

So, I don't know what you expect them to fill the pages with, and yeah, they want clicks, because they want to actually make a living at what they're doing. The only thing that makes me crazy is when the story doesn't match the click-bait headline.

 

[dafoe2016]

I wouldn't mind seeing them trade one of those picks for a first round pick next year that has a chance to be top ten. Granted, those kind of deals aren't available every year, but you never know what some team might be willing to do on draft day.

 

[Flash]

Anyone know how good next year's QB class is??

 

[primetime]

More busts than successes.
A lot of mediocrity too.

I don’t know what a “franchise qb” really is but the list of guys who’s teams have won because of them arevery limited.

To me guys like Philip Rivers or Kirk cousins or Matt Ryan or Carson Palmer who put up pretty numbers but don’t win aren’t guys I would consider a successful pick, nor are guys like Eli who’s team wins when it dies largely in spite of him.

Could those guys have become winners under belichick? Maybe but that creates the argument that we aren’t looking for what everyone else is (brains and mechanics and leadership over arm) and a high pick may be no more valuable to us.

I see your sole criterion for a good quarterback pick is whether they make the Hall of Fame.

Good luck.