Patriots interested in CBs before the trade deadline

[BaconGrundleCandy]

In what world does a reasonably priced, All Pro DB with 2 1/2 years remaining on his contract cost only a second round pick?

He's 28 yo. His contract is reasonable but you still have to move some $ around. Idk think you get a ton for him. It's also a win-now move so that limits the teams as well & we know at least one team (New England) won't give up a ton for him.

I'd go 2nd & a 4th or 5th most & I think that would be a vg deal for both.

 

[BobDigital]

I would love to see the trade made for the right price. The cap could be move around and the price for him the next 2 years is very reasonable for what he brings. He should cost 15M/yr and you are getting him for 12M/yr

If you need to let someone walk because you sign him so be it. I have already said I would cut McCourty to keep him next year if that is what it took and I don't see how anyone could say that would be a bad trade off at this point.

 

[ausbacker]

A world where you pair that 2nd with something else. It’s lookimg like there are a lot of suitors for him, so you’re most likely looking at a first, maybe even a first + a mid/late.

Which means it's not just a second rounder. The Pats have the draft capital to acquire Peterson, whether or not that matches the asking price we'll soon find out.

 

[VrabelJr]

I once went to the casino. Played a few hands of poker. Realized I can’t compete with people who have no regard for their $....

BB’s problem is that he is is competing against weirdos like Jerry who think Amari Cooper was worth a first rounder.

That's a dream come true at a poker table. Short term probabilities can be unfortunate though.

 

[supafly]

Which means it's not just a second rounder. The Pats have the draft capital to acquire Peterson, whether or not that matches the asking price we'll soon find out.

I agree with you that a second rounder alone doesn’t do it in this scenario. The market interest is there with many of the teams. Someone will drive the price to a first, probably even a first + an additional pick or player.

The only way a second is getting it done would be if it’s paired with something else.

 

[fnordcircle]

The key is to wait and get your money with the best hand, double up and get the hell out of there as quickly as possible.

Casinos hate him! One patsfan found this odd trick to always making money when gambling.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I have a hard time seeing Belichick trading more than a second for Peterson, but then again, he did trade a first+ for two years of Cooks, so who knows.

 

[supafly]

Idk think you get a ton for him. It's also a win-now move so that limits the teams as well.

Yeah, but there are a decent number of teams that are in contention and who would make sense for him, with the obvious exception being the Jets.

Pittsburgh
Philly
NE
New Orleans (likely out w/ the trade for Apple)
NYJ

These are the five teams that I’ve seen linked to rumors, with the majority being shared by multiple sources. That could drive the price up a bit.

 

[Kontradiction]

This can’t be. I’ve been told with confidence that the defense is good enough as-is.

 

[maineman209]

Interesting how Bill wants to acquire a CB so bad.

Must mean J-Mac isn’t cutting it. And neither are Rowe or Jackson at that #2 CB spot.

Thought J-Mac at least looked decent in a few of his starts, but Bill must feel otherwise. Sure could be upgraded upon though, no doubt.

It seems to me that you're overreacting just a wee bit to a boilerplate bullsh it media rumor that includes the Pats among the "interested parties" for virtually every player who's rumored to be available. Futhermore, LaCanfora is absolutely the worst of them all about throwing sh it against the wall to see what sticks.

JMac has been doing fine. He's 3rd on the team in solo tackles (21), and 3rd on the team in passes defensed (4), behind only Gilmore (9) and JJ (6). JMac has been burned in coverage really just the one time, on Hunt's long TD.

No, JMac isn't Peterson. But Jenkins and Conley seem unlikely to be significant upgrades over a solid veteran player who's already succeeding in the Pats schemes.

 

[DarrylS]

IMO "interested party" may just be agent speak to drive up the price, after all every Pats trade turns to gold(??)...

From the perspective of salary cap alone, Conley with cap hits of 2.8M(2019) and 3.3M(2020) is more appealing the Jenkins 14.75M ( 2019 & 2020) or Peterson 11.8M (2019) & 13.1M (2020). Conley another 1st round pick would fit right with the so called "misses" of other teams.

Gruden jettisoning all of his talent may be folly, bringing a completely new team will take a couple of years to become competitive, either that or they could become another Cleveland Browns..

 

[maineman209]

Makes sense. We're getting by at CB2, but another really good player opposite Gilmore would change a whole lot. Maybe Clayborn would have more time to figure out he has to actually tackle the QB when he gets there.

I think the defensive position we would get the biggest overall boost from upgrading is defensive end, though. Just not as many good trade options. Even the CB names floating around are barely realistic for our cap situation except for maybe Conley who would not be a definite upgrade.

I'd rather go for another cheap trade in the vein of Akiem Hicks/Van Noy/Akeem Ayers. Value like that ostensibly doesn't come around every year, but for BB it kind of does. No idea which player it could be.

The front-6 as a unit has been getting decent pressure, just not many sacks. The DEs have provided the majority of that pressure. As far as acquiring another DE goes, they have Simon. Though currently nursing a shoulder injury, he performed very well in his one appearance so far - got a sack + a QBH, and set the edge very well (6 tackles).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Would rather have Peterson over Conley

Raiders' Conley may lose starting spot to Worley

 

[MUFC7]

In the last 10 years the Pats drafted 5 CB in the 2nd round and the list is horrific.
Wheatley, D. Butler, Ras-IR (even with 33rd pick in one of the strongest classes of all time) Cyrus Jones and Duke Dawson.

If it's "only" a 2nd rounder they want and you can make the cap work I'd say pull the trigger.

I'd rather get a great LB but a talent like P. Peterson for 12m is too good to pass up.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Fast linebacker please

That's the real need right there.

 

[PP2]

I really hope we don't get another CB. I like JC Jackson- he is a fighter, a scrappy CB, and I hope to see him get more playing time as the season goes on. In his very limited time he already has 2 PD's and 2 INT's.

Our problem is not at CB anyway, it's over the middle.

 

[Kontradiction]

I really hope we don't get another CB. I like JC Jackson- he is a fighter, a scrappy CB, and I hope to see him get more playing time as the season goes on. In his very limited time he already has 2 PD's and 2 INT's.

Our problem is not at CB anyway, it's over the middle.

A corner of Peterson’s caliber allows them to slide McCourty or Harmon into the box on a full time basis in obvious passing situations. The play at both the CB2 and LB positions have been questionable and inconsistent against the pass.

 

[Kontradiction]

He's 28 yo. His contract is reasonable but you still have to move some $ around. Idk think you get a ton for him. It's also a win-now move so that limits the teams as well & we know at least one team (New England) won't give up a ton for him.

I'd go 2nd & a 4th or 5th most & I think that would be a vg deal for both.

Or Rowe, a 2nd, and a 3rd.

 

[Family]

Interesting how Bill wants to acquire a CB so bad.

Must mean J-Mac isn’t cutting it. And neither are Rowe or Jackson at that #2 CB spot.

I think they plan to use three CB's and Rowe isn't cutting it, while Jackson can't be trusted.

 

[maineman209]

A corner of Peterson’s caliber allows them to slide McCourty or Harmon into the box on a full time basis in obvious passing situations. The play at both the CB2 and LB positions have been questionable and inconsistent against the pass.

Pats LBs actually haven't been targeted very much, perhaps because they've been "schemed out" of coverage responsibilities as much as possible. When they have been targeted (only 3.5% of their combined snaps), Roberts, HT and KVN have collectively allowed about a 60% completion rate for a 6.5 YPC (not allowing much YAC) and 1 TD. They also have 5 PDs/INTs as a unit.

As for CB:

Gilmore = 37 tgts (7.8% of snaps), 35% comp, 9.5 YPC, 5.4% TD/tgt, 24% PD/INT per tgt
J.Jones = 32 tgts (9.6% of snaps), 50% comp, 13.4 YPC, 6.3% TD/tgt, 22% PD/INT per tgt
JMac = 32 tgts (8.9% of snaps), 53% comp, 15.9 YPC, 3.1% TD/tgt, 16% PD/INT per tgt

... JJ and JMac have each gotten burned for a long TD. JJ gave up a 67-yarder to Westbrook (JAX) on a pick-play. JMac gave up the 67-yarder to Hunt (KCY). Those two plays blow up their respective YPC numbers.

Rowe = 11 tgts (8.1% of snaps), 64% comp, 15.1 YPC, 18% TD/tgt, 9% PD/INT per tgt
... Rowe's 2018 numbers are very similar to his 2017 numbers.

As a group, the Safeties have been the worst, mostly due to DMac's numbers from the Indy and KCY games:

Chung = 22 tgts (6.0% of snaps), 59% comp, 12.4 YPC, 4.5% TD/tgt, 9% PD/INT per tgt
Harmon = 10 tgts (3.0% of snaps), 60% comp, 13.7 YPC, 10% TD/tgt, 20% PD/INT per tgt
DMac = 18 tgts (3.8% of snaps), 78% comp, 10.3 YPC, 28% TD/tgt, 5.6% PD/INT per tgt