Player Signing Patriots hosting OL Greg Van Roten [Updated: Signed 8/17]

[PatsFan2]

It seems like the team is struggling to evaluate G’s.

I've already conceded that Caedan Wallace is useless. Now you can't find Him with a search warrant.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Recent reports have been down on Lomu at OT, his traditional position. IIRC he’s not played OG previously. So he may not be looking like the backup solution at either right now. Not to say that won’t change, but it would explain this move.

Either way, it's smart to meet with potential "shadow roster" guys who have enough experience to step in during the season if there's a need.

Lomu will obviously make the roster but a signing of a veteran could push a guy like Crownover to the PS

I think with some of these veterans, they're not too keen on going through the summer camps, nor do they really need to if they're staying in shape. I'm sure they'd be happy to sign anywhere at any time but not the worst thing for them to wait until the injury bug hits and then parlay that into a contract even after the season starts.

 

[Ring 6]

Recent reports have been down on Lomu at OT, his traditional position. IIRC he’s not played OG previously. So he may not be looking like the backup solution at either right now. Not to say that won’t change, but it would explain this move.

It’s way too early to judge Lomu or call this reactionary.

 

[Zuma]

I am not sure they’re struggling to evaluate. I think it’s more they’re struggling to find any worth evaluating, or grading well when they’re evaluated.

I’d say it’s an eval issue if they are still signing 36 year olds in August to be on the 53.

 

[Family]

But you need more. Never been a fan of Brown, but I’m not sure how anyone can change their opinion of him from a few practices with very little contact.

I thought Brown filled in OK during Wilson's absence to give him the benefit of the doubt, but coming out of the gate, losing multiple one on ones against 3rd stringers is not good.

If you remember we debated this early in camp last year, where you said Wilson's snaps would be limited to a backup role his rookie season, and I said he would start based on usage and one on ones.. Maybe I was lucky last year or maybe there is a trend this early.

I expect Lomu to back up both G and T spots.

The way he's practicing I'm not sure they are looking to put too much on his plate. That's another concern.

 

[Family]

Recent reports have been down on Lomu at OT, his traditional position. IIRC he’s not played OG previously. So he may not be looking like the backup solution at either right now. Not to say that won’t change, but it would explain this move.

He'll backup somewhere, but I'm not sure they are going to move him around as a backup at two positions until he is succeeding in one.

 

[n1997y]

I’d say it’s an eval issue if they are still signing 36 year olds in August to be on the 53.

No, it’s a reflection of who they have in house. And it’s not clear they’re looking to sign him to the 53. I wondered if they might just wait so they don’t have to make a cut to sign him now, and then just sign him directly to the PS. This could just be updating the Rolodex.

 

[mgteich]

He'll backup somewhere, but I'm not sure they are going to move him around as a backup at two positions until he is succeeding in one.

Yes, Lomus will be the backup somewhere.

Posters have him as an instant starter.

I suspect the team wants to know whether he can be the first off the bench at LT and also at RT. Even that is a lot to ask of a rookie, but we have a good one. At very least, we need Lomu to be first off the bench at one of the OT positions

We have 7 OL's who always be active barring injuries.

And then, and then we have bodies that may be ready for prime time, or not.

 

[Family]

I suspect the team wants to know whether he can be the first off the bench at LT and also at RT. Even that is a lot to ask of a rookie, but we have a good one. At very least, we need Lomu to be first off the bench at one of the OT positions

Bryant practiced with the first team today at LT with Will out, while Lomu ran at RT with the seconds.

This isn't the first day of practice. It's the current order, of course it can change on a dime.

It says something though about Lomu so far, which wasn't true of Wilson.

He's not ready.

 

[Ring 6]

I thought Brown filled in OK during Wilson's absence to give him the benefit of the doubt, but coming out of the gate, losing multiple one on ones against 3rd stringers is not good.

If you remember we debated this early in camp last year, where you said Wilson's snaps would be limited to a backup role his rookie season, and I said he would start based on usage and one on ones.. Maybe I was lucky last year or maybe there is a trend this early.



The way he's practicing I'm not sure they are looking to put too much on his plate. That's another concern.

Jesus have you been drinking with Triumoh? I didn’t say Wilson would be limited to back up snaps, who in the world would have played LG? You either made that one up or are thinking of the wrong person.

No one is changing their view on an OL in 2 weeks of little contact. Scrimmages and preseason games are where that is done

 

[Family]

Jesus have you been drinking with Triumoh? I didn’t say Wilson would be limited to back up snaps, who in the world would have played LG? You either made that one up or are thinking of the wrong person.

No one is changing their view on an OL in 2 weeks of little contact. Scrimmages and preseason games are where that is done

I'm not going to bother looking it up because frankly you're not worth it, but we argued about this for days last year. You said he would only be a swing backup. This far in camp it wasn't even established if Wilson would even play guard or center.

Since you need more proof we also had extended disagreements in pre-season about Mike Pennell the DT being cut a few year back where you said, "they have no one at that position. He won't be cut." and I cited usage that he would be.

I'm not debating this because you are so stubborn and narrow minded, and we have this debate every year. You can add the Brian Hoyer cut year too, where we disagreed on right before cutdown, and I cited usage that he would.

I know. I made this up. I'm a liar. Go look because I don't care.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Bryant practiced with the first team today at LT with Will out, while Lomu ran at RT with the seconds.

This isn't the first day of practice. It's the current order, of course it can change on a dime.

It says something though about Lomu so far, which wasn't true of Wilson.

He's not ready.

I don’t believe any analysts pre-draft had him as “ready”. In fact, many seemed to believe he’s need a dev year. Bryant has been in the system a year. Crownover is just massive.

 

[mgteich]

Bryant practiced with the first team today at LT with Will out, while Lomu ran at RT with the seconds.

This isn't the first day of practice. It's the current order, of course it can change on a dime.

It says something though about Lomu so far, which wasn't true of Wilson.

He's not ready.

Currently, It seems that Bryant is our backup LT.

The team needs someone other than AVT to be ready as our backup RT.

 

[Zuma]

No, it’s a reflection of who they have in house. And it’s not clear they’re looking to sign him to the 53. I wondered if they might just wait so they don’t have to make a cut to sign him now, and then just sign him directly to the PS. This could just be updating the Rolodex.

No, it’s a reflection of who they Don’t have in house. They are looking outside the org….which is why they are signing 36 yo guards in August.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Welcome Aboard, Greg. Only thing missing from a Pats Training Camp? A summer OL retirement

Or a character from Hanna-Barbera's Laff-A-Lympics.

Hopefully someone didn't decide to exit....stage left.....sadly when I think of hanna barbera i think of this dude and not the immortals Tom & Jerry.....




/le sigh....

I hope new guy /lomu didn't pull a ....





*note: being a former OL, I am allowed to say this as I have dealt with these types... /flex

 

[rkarp1]

I always thought Browns "natural" position was OC, and that he could also play OG if called on.
I am not dismissing anyone yet, but I don't see Lomu moving around at all. RT behind Moses. period.
I don't see any way Van Roten signs with out a promise of a roster spot

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not going to bother looking it up because frankly you're not worth it, but we argued about this for days last year. You said he would only be a swing backup. This far in camp it wasn't even established if Wilson would even play guard or center.

Since you need more proof we also had extended disagreements in pre-season about Mike Pennell the DT being cut a few year back where you said, "they have no one at that position. He won't be cut." and I cited usage that he would be.

I'm not debating this because you are so stubborn and narrow minded, and we have this debate every year. You can add the Brian Hoyer cut year too, where we disagreed on right before cutdown, and I cited usage that he would.

I know. I made this up. I'm a liar. Go look because I don't care.

GFY
Frankly if I wasn’t worth it you wouldn’t be responding and doubling down on your ********.

You didn’t have that conversation with me because there was no point where we had an IOL that could keep him in the bench and there is no way in hell I would ever say so early in camp that he didn’t have a position that as a 3rd round pick coming to the worst OL in the NFL that he has no chance of starting.

I probably did say that about Pennell because he never should have been cut. Look how it worked out.

I do have to say though if you remember a discussion about Brian Boyer vs Jared stidham in 2019 your obsession with me is creepy.

I do however invite you to reread what you just posted and tell me who is it that sounds stubborn and narrow minded. You took the gold dude.

Didn’t call you a liar, told you that you must have me mixed up with someone else

You should do something about your misplaced anger issues.

 

[Ring 6]

Currently, It seems that Bryant is our backup LT.

The team needs someone other than AVT to be ready as our backup RT.

Come on. Are we really doing this again?
It is common practice to give players fighting for roster spots reps with the 1s sometimes.
I think you are forgetting we used a first round pick in an OT.

 

[Ring 6]

I always thought Browns "natural" position was OC, and that he could also play OG if called on.
I am not dismissing anyone yet, but I don't see Lomu moving around at all. RT behind Moses. period.
I don't see any way Van Roten signs with out a promise of a roster spot

Can Roten is unemployed and looking for a good to win a job. He isn’t making demands. He is t likely to make the team, he may not even be likely to be offered a spot on the 90.
All camp and all season long we bring in players to workout and see where they are many times just to know who is out there if a slew of injuries happen

 

[Family]

.You didn’t have that conversation with me because there was no point where we had an IOL that could keep him in the bench and there is no way in hell I would ever say so early in camp that he didn’t have a position that as a 3rd round pick coming to the worst OL in the NFL that he has no chance of starting.

You're correct. Apologies. I mixed you up with another.