Patricia: Return of the Rocket Scientist

[libra957]

The defense played better when he left, not thrilled he came back.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

What personnel decisions did Patricia make that impressed the Patriots brass enough to being him in?

He can’t be worse

 

[DaBruinz]

Why is everyone here happy with this?

The era he was here was probably the worst defensive era for the Patriots under the Belichick era.

This isn't factually true. They weren't the Romeo Crennel defenses of 2003 and 2004, but they were better than many others. Not to mention that he did call the Defense longer than anyone else.

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Patricia's 6 years as the DC.
2012: 9th in scoring (331 - 20.6875 ppg) , 25th in yards (4342 Pass / 1630 Rush)
2013: 10th in scoring (338 - 21.125ppg), 26th in yards (3824 Pass / 2145 Rush)
2014: 8th in scoring (313 - 19.5625ppg), 13th in yards (3837 pass / 1669 Rush)
2015: 10th in scoring (315 - 19.6875ppg), 9th in yards (3852 Pass / 1578 Rush)
2016: 1st in scoring (250 - 15.625ppg) , 8th in yards (3806 Pass / 1417 Rush) - 4th Best of BB Era for Points Allowed.
2017: 5th in scoring (296 - 18.5 ppg), 29th in yards (4020 Pass / 1836 Rush)

Years that "sucked" For the Defense: (15th or worse in yards allowed)
2020: 7th in scoring (353 - 22.0625ppg), 15th in yards (3557 Pass / 2103 Rush)
2011: 15th in scoring (342 - 21.375 PPG) , 31st in yards (4703 Pass / 1874 Rush)
2010: 8th in scoring (313 - 19.56PPG) , 25th in yards (4136 Pass / 1728 Rush)
2005: 17th in scoring (338 - 21.125 ppg) , 26th in yards (3703 Pass / 1580 Rush)
2002: 17th in scoring (346 -21.625 ppg) , 23rd in yards (3378 Pass / 2198 rush)
2001: 6th in scoring (272 - 17ppg), 24th in yards (3731Pass / 1855 Rush)

"Best" years for defense: (top 10 in scoring and yards)
2003: 1st in Scoring (238 - 14,875ppg), 7th in yards (3232 Pass / 1434 Rush)
2004: 2nd in scoring (260 - 16.25ppg), 9th in yards (3400 Pass / 1572 Rush)
2006: 2nd in scoring (237 - 14.8125ppg), 6th in yards (3203 Pass /1507 Rush)
2007: 4th in scoring (274 - 17.125ppg), 4th in yards (3041 Pass / 1572 Rush)


Other Years:
2008: 8th in scoring (309 - 19.3125 ppg), 10th in Yards (3222 Pass/ 1722 Rush) *Seymour's last year with the Pats
2009: 5th in scoring (285 - 17.8125ppg), 11th in yards (3355 Pass /1768 Rush)
2018: 7th in scoring (325 - 20.3125ppg), 21st in yards (3943 Pass / 1803 Rush)
2019 : 1st in Scoring (225 - 14.0625ppg) , 1st in Yards (2886 Pass / 1528 Rush) * Aberration - Defense fell apart last 8 games - finished 4-4 Allowed 28.75 points on average in 4 losses.


Italics = Years where Pats WON the SB.

 

[DaBruinz]

The defense played better when he left, not thrilled he came back.

Based on what? By scoring it wasn't. It was worse than any of the previous 4 years. By yards allowed, it was better than 2017, but not 2014-2016.

 

[DaBruinz]

2014 was actually underwhelming given the talent of that team had on defense (McCourty, Hightower, Revis, Browner, etc.) despite being strong.

ROFLMAO. So "underwelming" that they won the SB despite the rules stacked against them.

 

[DaBruinz]

How to you come back to the Pats with any credibility as Patricia now?

"Hi guys. Good to see some familiar faces. Now I know for the last few years you've been playing a new style of defence where you try to "stop" the other team from advancing the ball, and "force punts" etc. [*physical air quotes used]

But I'm a rocket scientist. So, we're going back to our old scheme of conceding the first 80 yards of the field and then doing our damndest to hold them to field goals in the red zone. Everybody good with that?"

Helps if you actually pay attention to what his role is going to be. It's NOT as a coach. It's as an assistant to the Coaches. Not to mention that you clearly didn't do ANY sort of research on Patricia's defenses with the Patriots. 2016 was the 4th best in terms of Points allowed in the BB era.

 

[DaBruinz]

Nah not true. You can give up only 21 points, but if you take too long to get off the field in doing so, that's just as bad as giving up 35 on shorter drives.

Why? Because when you take long to get off the field, you're a) letting the other team burn clock, and b) you are rarely giving your offense good field position. When that happens, the offense barely has the ball, their margin for error is lower, and it's harder for them to get into a rhythm.

You didn't actually READ what he said.

You are aware that the only meaningful defensive stat is the amount of points given up relative to those scored, right ?

The points given up relative to those scored. That means that all that matters is scoring more points than your opponent in a given game. So your response has nothing to do with what he actually said.

Your response is valid if we were talking about time of possession, but we aren't. Nor are we talking about "margin of error" for the offense or what it takes for them to get into rhythm.

 

[DaBruinz]

His 1st action should be to fire BB's kid. The one that coached the LBs.

Yep. Because it was Steven who caused Van Noy to run his mouth and Collins to free lance on a regular basis. *smh*

Another guy blaming a position coach when you don't understand what's going on.

 

[DaBruinz]

How did we do in points allowed in Patricia's last 5 years with us? other defensive stats? were we a top defense?

As shown above: TOP 10 scoring defense each year with 2016 being the 4th lowest in the BB Era.
2015-2016 - Top 10 in Yards allowed.

 

[Captain Cliche]

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Why is everyone here happy with this?

The era he was here was probably the worst defensive era for the Patriots under the Belichick era.

2014 Superbowl win.
2016 Superbowl win.
2017 would have been a ring if Malcolm Butler played.

Pretty good.

I was looking at the random kid who joined Patricia from Detroit , Rothstein. This kid called a Lions defensive game where Tom Brady threw for 4 TDs against the Lions before half time on Dec 24th and they gave up 6 total passing touchdowns. So I don't know what this kid brings, maybe have him fetch coffee for Ernie Adams but he should stay far away from any play calling or game planning for awhile. Ernie Adams was a self made millionaire on Wall St before joining his buddy Belichick; not all nerds are created equal. This random Lions kid I would be very wary of handling any important analytics until it's clear the analysis is good. The last time we had crappy analytics it ruined multiple years of CB drafts (McDaniels "revamping" our CB scouting looking for guys only off their height or 3cone time).

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[venecol]

Yep. Because it was Steven who caused Van Noy to run his mouth and Collins to free lance on a regular basis. *smh*

Another guy blaming a position coach when you don't understand what's going on.

I didn't realize Van Noy and Collins played this year. LBs as a group played terrible this season. Steven is an uninspiring coach. He won't be fired because of nepotism.

 

[oceansizer]

I am ok with Mat if he is an assistant of the coaches. Nevertheless speaking of any coordinators job I would prefer some freshness.

 

[oceansizer]

I didn't realize Van Noy and Collins played this year. LBs as a group played terrible this season. Steven is an uninspiring coach. He won't be fired because of nepotism.

Ok ,LBs group this season was a walking disaster for sure. However even Steven could do nothing working with two rookies: Uche,Jennings, Hightower being out of the season and Bentley who is just Bentley.
Give one name to this group via FA or draft Parsons or Zaven Collins,bring back Hightower and we have got a totally different LB corp.
Agree that nepotism since the medieval times has not been a way to solve anything - except additional money for magnates.

 

[jah]

As long as he isn't coordinator or head coach.

 

[luuked]

I didn't realize Van Noy and Collins played this year. LBs as a group played terrible this season. Steven is an uninspiring coach. He won't be fired because of nepotism.

Just like Boyer wasn't fired after the disasters that were the early 2010s DBs. Or Flores in 2017 when he was in charge of the abomination that was our LB play that year (after losing HT).

Or just maybe it was because after losing key players in FA and Hightower opting out the group just had neither top end talent nor depth last year.

 

[luuked]

Agree that nepotism since the medieval times has not been a way to solve anything - except additional money for magnates.

This nepotism argument is literally one of the most absolutely ******ed things people keep posting here.

Steve was not handed out any major staff position but worked his way up the same way as Flores, Patricia, McDaniels and everyone else: he worked for four years as an assistant. He worked his way through the pipeline unlike others who actually got coordinator spots handed because of their past as players like Jerod Mayo, Byron Leftwich, Kellen Moore or maybe soon Josh McCown.

Getting an entry level position because of his name is in no shape or form different than getting an entry level position because Saban recommended him or because they shared a school with a current high level staffer. There is always some kind of networking required to get your foot into the door of a NFL team.

Nepotism implies that someone is treated differently than others because of family relations. There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest this with any of the Belichick kids as they both grinded away for four years in entry level positions.

This ain't George Bluth handing his company to GOB.

 

[luuked]

Based on what? By scoring it wasn't. It was worse than any of the previous 4 years. By yards allowed, it was better than 2017, but not 2014-2016.

For some reason people just use the performances in the 2017 and 2018 SBs as proxies for how good the defenses were through the entire year which is just dumb. The 2017 defense was a lot better than their last game indicates and the 2018 defense had more issues than the Rams were able to exploit.

Two outliers performances, one time going against us and another time going in our favor.

 

[DarrylS]

Patricia is a smart guy who morphed from rockets to the NFL.. I suspect he might be being groomed for an Ernie Adams type position as Adams getting long in the tooth...

Do not see him back on the sidelines..

 

[ralmat55]

It’s a good development that Patricia is returning. At this point, Bill needs all the semi-competent people around him he can get.

Bill is in uncharted waters. There’s no NFL precedent for a coach his age having the same level of success he did earlier in his career. The job is too big and the demands are too great. But, maybe, having solid experienced people around him might be enough to drag him past Shula’s win total.