Passing of the tourch.

[Redstorm]

Rational, why are you seeking validation on this board? The Patriots have more SB appearances than we have playoff wins. Hopefully KC can get on that level but we aren’t there yet. Winning the Colts game was a step in the right direction but this is a pointless thread.

Even if Mahomes was better it doesn’t matter because one of those QB is in Atlanta looking for his 6th while the other is in Orlando

Brady is literally the best quarterback ever. He’s so much ahead of everyone else it’s laughable. And no one has a clue when he will retire

 

[RobertWeathers]

Look I'm not saying Brady is bad, what I'm saying is that 11 play on offense and 11 on defense and they all have roles and can cause the other to falter. Brady has become a system QB over the last couple of years and I give the Hoodie all the credit in the world for understanding that he isn't what he used to be physically.

Is he good? yes and I guess it could be argued that he is the second best but Mahomes is so clearly better its not even close.

People will draw other comparisons but there isn't anyone like him. He came out as a junior and didn't play but one washup game that didn't matter week 16. So basically he is maturity wise and experience wise a rookie. There has never been a rookie in the HISTORY of the NFL that has ever even come close to doing what he has done. I mean not someone who is similar etc like no one has even come close. compare any QB's rookie numbers against his and it pales in comparison. Take this plus the just raw talent he has and its so obvious.

Guys you are taking this the wrong way, are you the better team? Yes, do you have a better coach? hell yes, do you have better assistant coaches? hell yes. And you have the second best QB, my whole point was watching the game it was obvious that the torch had been passed and Brady knew it. Heck even the QBR in the game said so ( Brady 77.1, Mahomes 117) I mean come on guys it wasn't even close who is the better QB, even head to head he was leaps and bounds better, he was lucky that he has such good coaching.

End of the day I know most will not admit it out loud but you know its true. But look you should be proud you have a very good 53.

Mahomes had great stats. Congratulations to him on a tremendous 2nd full season as a starter and a likely MVP season.

You never answered the question.

If you need to win one game as your life depends on it , who would your choose? Tom or Mahomes?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

We have literally been hearing “Brady is just a system quarterback” for 18 years now. And yet here he is, preparing for his 9th Super Bowl.
Son, let me clue you in on something: the thing that makes Brady so great is his longevity and consistency. Lot of other guys came along, had a great season or two, then disappeared.

One day you will learn how quickly a QB can go from great season to mediocre season after losing a top WR, top TE, top RB or even a top OC.

Every fan has the same schtick: their QB coulda, shoulda, and gonna. Coulda won with a better team, shoulda won anyway, gonna win next time!

All the other stuff they say is just noise.

Considering that quarterback success is binary, with W or L accounting for most of the criteria, the margin between Brady and Mahomes (or anyone for that matter) is miles apart.

 

[MassPats38]

Look I'm not saying Brady is bad, what I'm saying is that 11 play on offense and 11 on defense and they all have roles and can cause the other to falter. Brady has become a system QB over the last couple of years and I give the Hoodie all the credit in the world for understanding that he isn't what he used to be physically.

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Guys you are taking this the wrong way, are you the better team? Yes, do you have a better coach? hell yes, do you have better assistant coaches? hell yes. And you have the second best QB, my whole point was watching the game it was obvious that the torch had been passed and Brady knew it. Heck even the QBR in the game said so ( Brady 77.1, Mahomes 117) I mean come on guys it wasn't even close who is the better QB, even head to head he was leaps and bounds better, he was lucky that he has such good coaching.

End of the day I know most will not admit it out loud but you know its true. But look you should be proud you have a very good 53.

You believe you are being rational? I expect you know how ratings are calculated. What was Mahomes rating in the first half? How many off the mark throws did he make then that but for luck did not tank his overall rating with interceptions?

Mahomes stepped into the same system Alex Smith ran last year. Alex Smith, who KC fans seemed to believe is awful as they booed for Mahomes to replace him, threw for 4000 yards and a 104 rating in 15 games (4270 if you project to 16 games). The Chiefs went from 10-6 (division winner) and a 1 and done in the wildcard card round to 12-4 and 2 and done in the AFC championship (both losses in KC before a friendly crowd). Poor Alex Smith had a 116 rating and 2 TDs to no INTs in that loss. Mahomes had an 85 rating and 0 TDs against the Colts in KC. Not exactly a world beating performance, or a harbinger of the promised one arriving when every win is life or death.

You likely were not alive when the Chiefs won a title in 1970. That makes you want to believe the Chiefs have found their Excalibur in Mahomes to do what hasn't been done for almost 50 years. Rejoice, for we have found our redeemer (and ignore that what happened this year is only incrementally better than what Alex Smith did last year).

It is irrational to compare Mahomes to Brady, or to call Brady a system QB at all. System QBs do not break every post-season record known to man, and there is no system that allows a QB to fire laser shots to move the chains repeatedly on 3rd and 10 on a hostile field in a championship game with the game on the line. The ball was in Mahomes hand, at home, and he did not win the game with a receiving corps objectively way more talented than the Pats have. His crapping away the first half is not a testament to a better supporting cast or coaching - it is on him.

The simple answer is stop by next year if the Chiefs don't come off the rails, in the event the Chiefs don't come unglued as many teams do after these losses. We'll see if Mahomes is a repeat MVP, or something less. I wish Mahomes the best, but unless he brings it year in and year out for more than 1 glorious season, he is just 1 more non-Brady QB in the NFL wondering what it feels like to hold the Lombardi trophy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You believe you are being rational? I expect you know how ratings are calculated. What was Mahomes rating in the first half? How many off the mark throws did he make then that but for luck did not tank his overall rating with interceptions?

Mahomes stepped into the same system Alex Smith ran last year. Alex Smith, who KC fans seemed to believe is awful as they booed for Mahomes to replace him, threw for 4000 yards and a 104 rating in 15 games (4270 if you project to 16 games). The Chiefs went from 10-6 (division winner) and a 1 and done in the wildcard card round to 12-4 and 2 and done in the AFC championship (both losses in KC before a friendly crowd). Poor Alex Smith had a 116 rating and 2 TDs to no INTs in that loss. Mahomes had an 85 rating and 0 TDs against the Colts in KC. Not exactly a world beating performance, or a harbinger of the promised one arriving when every win is life or death.

You likely were not alive when the Chiefs won a title in 1970. That makes you want to believe the Chiefs have found their Excalibur in Mahomes to do what hasn't been done for almost 50 years. Rejoice, for we have found our redeemer (and ignore that what happened this year is only incrementally better than what Alex Smith did last year).

It is irrational to compare Mahomes to Brady, or to call Brady a system QB at all. System QBs do not break every post-season record known to man, and there is no system that allows a QB to fire laser shots to move the chains repeatedly on 3rd and 10 on a hostile field in a championship game with the game on the line. The ball was in Mahomes hand, at home, and he did not win the game with a receiving corps objectively way more talented than the Pats have. His crapping away the first half is not a testament to a better supporting cast or coaching - it is on him.

The simple answer is stop by next year if the Chiefs don't come off the rails, in the event the Chiefs don't come unglued as many teams do after these losses. We'll see if Mahomes is a repeat MVP, or something less. I wish Mahomes the best, but unless he brings it year in and year out for more than 1 glorious season, he is just 1 more non-Brady QB in the NFL wondering what it feels like to hold the Lombardi trophy.

Such a shame to waste such a thoughtful, well-written post on a topic completely ridiculous on such an insecure poster

 

[Redstorm]

QBR and quarterback rating don’t mean much. Alex Smith had a great rating in last year’s playoff loss to Tennessee but he was nowhere to be found when KC needed him to deliver late in the game

If a QB leads the offense to 38 points he may be rated lower when all of the touchdowns come on the ground than a QB who leads the offense to 21 but tosses 3 touchdowns.

 

[Joker]

Hey..if Mahomes was an Indian butler, what would his name be?

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Mahat Macoat

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Look I'm not saying Brady is bad, what I'm saying is that 11 play on offense and 11 on defense and they all have roles and can cause the other to falter. Brady has become a system QB over the last couple of years and I give the Hoodie all the credit in the world for understanding that he isn't what he used to be physically.

Is he good? yes and I guess it could be argued that he is the second best but Mahomes is so clearly better its not even close.

People will draw other comparisons but there isn't anyone like him. He came out as a junior and didn't play but one washup game that didn't matter week 16. So basically he is maturity wise and experience wise a rookie. There has never been a rookie in the HISTORY of the NFL that has ever even come close to doing what he has done. I mean not someone who is similar etc like no one has even come close. compare any QB's rookie numbers against his and it pales in comparison. Take this plus the just raw talent he has and its so obvious.

Guys you are taking this the wrong way, are you the better team? Yes, do you have a better coach? hell yes, do you have better assistant coaches? hell yes. And you have the second best QB, my whole point was watching the game it was obvious that the torch had been passed and Brady knew it. Heck even the QBR in the game said so ( Brady 77.1, Mahomes 117) I mean come on guys it wasn't even close who is the better QB, even head to head he was leaps and bounds better, he was lucky that he has such good coaching.

End of the day I know most will not admit it out loud but you know its true. But look you should be proud you have a very good 53.

It’s been a week, what the hell are you still doing here trolling our boards? Don’t you have a pro bowl to watch?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Mahomes had great stats. Congratulations to him on a tremendous 2nd full season as a starter and a likely MVP season.

You never answered the question.

If you need to win one game as your life depends on it , who would your choose? Tom or Mahomes?

His silence says it all.

 

[MassPats38]

Such a shame to waste such a thoughtful, well-written post on a topic completely ridiculous on such an insecure poster

They make me sad. We were likely there too before 2001. I know I felt that way when they drafted Bledsoe (Weren't we hoping he would be the next Dan Marino? - I just don't recall ever having the temerity to claim that).

It reminds me of

 

[RobertWeathers]

His silence says it all.

I hope he does. I'm on plane for the next few hours. All the time in the world to respond

 

[Raymond]

he did beat him Dee Ford is a nob, otherwise yes he beat him.... Even the most level headed Pats fan can agree with that...

So, when do you think Mahomes will find a " I can read a defense" torch?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The fact you are reviving one of the earliest criticisms of the guy suggests maybe he's not done.

Either way thanks for coming in here and saying 'well we lost but I was basically right also your QB is old.' So classy.

Please feel free to eat a **** on your way out.

You can't be blamed for trying to feel better after a bitter defeat, but no torch has been passed -- Mahomes will have to earn it. And while you present yourself as a fairly reasonable ("rational") fan, your fellow fans left a lot to be desired, especially with their over-the-top abusiveness at Chiefs Planet. It felt good hearing that moronic tomahawk chop chant hit a sour note tonight.

Yeah but hey man, I think this guy may have set a record.

44 Disagrees...and 10 Dislikes.

Plus, 16 pages on this nonsense? What's wrong with us?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I hope he does. I'm on plane for the next few hours. All the time in the world to respond

 

[Patriot Missile]

Weird thread. You got one Chief fan claiming to be rational, another named Red Storm who you would think would be the s h*tstorm. Ends up rational chiefs fan is irrational and Red Storm is rational.

Good game, the what if’s are getting old. To only see penalties against your team and not acknowledge the ones the Chiefs committed are insane. Ford lines up in the neutral zone and Brady throws a interception, yet holding on the other side of the field and your player fumbles and Pats recover is irrelevant? Pick play for a td? Thats just football? Only if it doesn’t go against your team?

Your not changing any minds around here. It was a hard fought win for the Pats and a tough loss for you guys. See you next season.

 

[rochrist]

he did beat him Dee Ford is a nob, otherwise yes he beat him.... Even the most level headed Pats fan can agree with that...

Wrong.

 

[rochrist]

Look not trolling just telling it like it is and you guys have to agree on this. I mean its so obvious just with the eye test, Mahomes is now leaps and bounds better than Brady. I mean its like a freshman vs varsity QB. Look even if we say Brady is the second best QB, which is probably is not anymore, but just saying he is, the gap between he and Mahomes is so big you can drive Texas thru it.

Look you have better coaching and at the end of the day that is what pushed you ahead, you deserved it, the Hoodie is better than anyone else.

I just can't believe that you guys don't think the Torch has been passed "strickly" at the QB level. It will not pass at the coaching level until Bel retires. Crazy your still holding onto that with Brady. having the second best QB is still better than 30 other teams.

You're an idiot or a troll. Probably both.

 

[rochrist]

Look I'm not saying Brady is bad, what I'm saying is that 11 play on offense and 11 on defense and they all have roles and can cause the other to falter. Brady has become a system QB over the last couple of years and I give the Hoodie all the credit in the world for understanding that he isn't what he used to be physically.

Is he good? yes and I guess it could be argued that he is the second best but Mahomes is so clearly better its not even close.

People will draw other comparisons but there isn't anyone like him. He came out as a junior and didn't play but one washup game that didn't matter week 16. So basically he is maturity wise and experience wise a rookie. There has never been a rookie in the HISTORY of the NFL that has ever even come close to doing what he has done. I mean not someone who is similar etc like no one has even come close. compare any QB's rookie numbers against his and it pales in comparison. Take this plus the just raw talent he has and its so obvious.

Guys you are taking this the wrong way, are you the better team? Yes, do you have a better coach? hell yes, do you have better assistant coaches? hell yes. And you have the second best QB, my whole point was watching the game it was obvious that the torch had been passed and Brady knew it. Heck even the QBR in the game said so ( Brady 77.1, Mahomes 117) I mean come on guys it wasn't even close who is the better QB, even head to head he was leaps and bounds better, he was lucky that he has such good coaching.

End of the day I know most will not admit it out loud but you know its true. But look you should be proud you have a very good 53.

They also have a better QB.

 

[Dorito Dink]

Is there anything more ignorant than the "dink and dunk" claim or "system QB" claim? The fact that some still say this nonsense 18 years into Brady's career as an attempt to discredit him is not only ignorant, but it's disrespectful to even your own teams. If the dink and dunk/system is so potent, why hasn't anybody copied it? Surely they agree with you and would opt to run a similar offense since it's so effective, no?

Also, maybe Mahomes should have "dinked and dunked" instead of looking for the big play taking sack after sack which killed so many drives and also took points off the board in the first half? Sounds a lot like that fraud up in Wisconsin that most want to crown the best QB in the league.

P.S. - the stats of the past few years that show "yards in the air" on average passes completely refutes your claim, but we'll let you continue to believe in the boogey man and the dinking and dunking being the label of our offense lmao

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The system has changed significantly multiple times.
- Short passing, run game, gimmicks when he was young
- WR shotgun spread offense that broke records
- 2 tight end under center offense
- Now a RB pass catching ball control offense.

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