PATRIOTS NEWS Parcells going in Patriots HoF

[NormZauchin]

Has Parcells ever publicly expressed regret over the way he ended his coaching stint in New England?

 

[Pape]

Has Parcells ever publicly expressed regret over the way he ended his coaching stint in New England?

Yes.

Parcells regrets leaving Patriots

 

[farn]

While we’re on Kraft chat : I noticed him blaming BB for poor ratings from his team in that annual thingy they do. He swears there are no ashtrays on his planes. You’re missing the point Bob…

RK is the owner. He’s not into taking responsibility unless he’s receiving praise. While I suspect that’s a trait within the billionaire crowd, it’s still distasteful. You’re the owner bro.

 

[bresna]

No way Parcells belongs in the Patriots HoF after what he did with Curtis Martin, never mind the Super Bowl stuff. He went out of his way to screw over the Patriots with that Martin contract. It was so nasty, the NFL outlawed contracts like that immediately afterward. Parcells then doubled down when he named Belichick head coach when he knew the Patriots were trying to sign him.

 

[Triumph]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. It's gone exactly as I predicted last offseason that Mayo would get fired after year 1 and he'd be so bad it would ruin his career. Nobody cares about Jerod Mayo. I would be shocked if he ever resurfaced as some sort of assistant or LB's coach. In fact, what he did week 18 should black ball him from the league.

If anything, Kraft quickly helped his reputation by hiring Vrabel.

Thunder promised Mayo more than 1 season to HC his team. That's what Mayo said to the media. Kraft hoarded cap money, let Wolf and Grow screw up the draft. Decided that Brissett would start over Maye.

After Brissett lost 4 straight and was horrible, the NE brain trust placed the rookie QB in. 33% of the 2024 season was over with 1 win to show for it. Now, Maye is in there with very little NFL experience. The offense is in shambles, but thats Mayo's fault and Maye should have won at least 6 games.

After Kraft did not advance to the NFL HOF, his minority HC was expendable. As well as Robyn Glaser.

Kraft pulled the same weasel like antics on Mayo as he orchestrated disparaging Belichick. But on a lesser scale. Hit pieces via the Boston media until Mayo and his Mrs. had their fill. Mayo threatened to blow the lid right off Kraft's lies. Enter Kraft's high power Lawyers with bags of cash and the Mayo's calmed down. The Thunder vs Mayo hit pieces stopped all together. After Orchard massage parlor, Thunder can ill afford a racially charged incident where he comes out worse for wear.

So, here we are today. Honoring a 5 time inductee and 5 time loser into the NEP HOF. Parcells finally made it after all these years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Meh, don't really care one way or another. I'd rather see a guy like Branch or Welker get in. I was not watching during the Parcells years so I'll defer to the old heads on this.

I don’t think this affects the players. If I’m wrong then it was a really bad move.

 

[1960Pats]

But this franchise was bottom-barrel with no hope in sight before he arrived, going 14-50 over four seasons. Everything was a mess -- roster, coaching staff, front office, facilities, stadium. Tuna brought professional competence that turned things around quickly. He hired a good staff, drafted well and his reputation helped sign free agents. He also was a stabilizing influence in the ownership transition from Orthwein to Kraft. And without him, BB likely wouldn't have been on Kraft's radar. It's a shame his tenure was tainted by how things ended.

I liked Tuna at the time also but thought that the previous HCs did okay. One of Tuna's strengths was his ability to pick his spots so well. He came to the best 1-15 team in history in the Jets and a horrible 2-14 Pats team.

I also agree that Tuna recognized BBs talent when Tuna got to the Giants, but he failed to promote BB to DC for a few years and then tried to pull a phony retirement to force BB to stay in NJ. All after sabotaging the Pats 2nd SB appearance. Looking back on it all now it looks like Tuna was trying to keep BB under his thumb from the beginning and we're lucky that Bob recognized BBs talent.

Tuna sleeps with the fishes.

 

[1960Pats]

While we’re on Kraft chat : I noticed him blaming BB for poor ratings from his team in that annual thingy they do. He swears there are no ashtrays on his planes. You’re missing the point Bob…

RK is the owner. He’s not into taking responsibility unless he’s receiving praise. While I suspect that’s a trait within the billionaire crowd, it’s still distasteful. You’re the owner bro.

For me, Kraft's stock is falling like a rock.

 

[signbabybrady]

For me, Kraft's stock is falling like a rock.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Pats did it to the Dolphins in 2007 for Welker, but threw in a extra pick in good faith. Pats did them a favor as he would've rotted in Miami anyways.

Back to Martin though, it's such an intriguing story that will never get old because of how good of a player he was and how losing him contributed to the Pats late 90's downfall. Carroll warned management that Martin was going to leave if the Pats didn't increase their initial lowball offer. They didn't believe anyone wanted him until Parcells found out what was going on. The Pats could've matched the "poison pill", but didn't because Martin had the power to void the deal after 1998 and become a unrestricted FA. This was why Bob took the 1st and 3rd round picks instead.

However, had Edwards been a stud or the Jaguars took Edwards and Fred Taylor fallen to he Pats (who Mel Kiper thought the Pats wanted), we're not even talking about this. An example is the Colts swapping Faulk for James.

Sheesh.

First they didn't play him, giving him eleven measly carries in Super Bowl 31, then they didn't pay him.

Lost on both counts.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

If there is this much debate about whether or not a person deserves to be in a team's hall of fame - then he shouldn't get in.

The vast majority of fans should be in agreement for every member of a team's HoF/Ring of Honor.

Not having that consensus devalues the honor tremendously.

Not only is there no consensus, but according to the poll here, which is probably made up of more avid Pats fans, 2/3 don't feel he belongs.

The problem is that arguably a majority of fans or even New Englanders blindly accept all the bull **** blathered about the team by local media. Which makes it easier for the rest of the nation to follow suit.

The Sullivan ownership had problems, like any ownership. Perhaps worse in some respects.

That is supposed to make all of us and all our players suck, and all those wins irrelevant...or in the case of this century, illegitimate.

 

[bresna]

Pats did it to the Dolphins in 2007 for Welker, but threw in a extra pick in good faith. Pats did them a favor as he would've rotted in Miami anyways.

There are two differences here though. The first difference is that the Patriots didn't make that offer and the rumor that they were going to was from the Globe. The second difference, and it's the biggest one, is that if the Patriots/Belichick had done this to the Dolphins, it's highly doubtful that they'd put Belichick in their Hall of Fame down in Miami.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Sheesh.

First they didn't play him, giving him eleven measly carries in Super Bowl 31, then they didn't pay him.

Lost on both counts.

GB's run D was impossible to run on in 1996. However, you still try it just to take heat off the O-line and Bledsoe.

It's very bizarre the Pats devalued Martin in an era where it was suicide not having a premier running back. Martin had said his injury and sitting out games in 1997 got Bob worried about his long term health. Had Martin been healthy, Pats easily would've been the #2 seed and eventually hosting Denver for the AFFCG. Carroll's stint in NE would've been drastically different.

There are two differences here though. The first difference is that the Patriots didn't make that offer and the rumor that they were going to was from the Globe.

I think what you're saying is that they never did a poison pill contract. According to the article, it was considered, but Bob Kraft stepped in and threw in the 7th rounder to get Miami to let Welker go. I guess that's Mandela effect. Contrary to popular belief, we were led to believe the Pats poison pilled Miami to get Welker.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1559473-how-wes-welker-went-from-tom-bradys-favorite-weapon-to-just-another-free-agent

The second difference, and it's the biggest one, is that if the Patriots/Belichick had done this to the Dolphins, it's highly doubtful that they'd put Belichick in their Hall of Fame down in Miami.

I'm confused by this.

 

[bresna]

I'm confused by this.

If the Patriots had given Welker a poison pill contract to get him here and Belichick was formerly their coach, I doubt that the Dolphins would put him in their Hall of Fame.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

GB's run D was impossible to run on in 1996. However, you still try it just to take heat off the O-line and Bledsoe.

It's very bizarre the Pats devalued Martin in an era where it was suicide not having a premier running back. Martin had said his injury and sitting out games in 1997 got Bob worried about his long term health. Had Martin been healthy, Pats easily would've been the #2 seed and eventually hosting Denver for the AFFCG. Carroll's stint in NE would've been drastically different.

I think what you're saying is that they never did a poison pill contract. According to the article, it was considered, but Bob Kraft stepped in and threw in the 7th rounder to get Miami to let Welker go. I guess that's Mandela effect. Contrary to popular belief, we were led to believe the Pats poison pilled Miami to get Welker.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1559473-how-wes-welker-went-from-tom-bradys-favorite-weapon-to-just-another-free-agent

I'm confused by this.

I disagree about GB's run D. Regardless, Tuna & Perk decided to put it all on Drew's shoulders, which was fatal.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The only era in the Patriots history that matters in this discussion are the 1980'... the 60's & 70's? irrelevant simply because they are too far removed from 1993... the 1980's? They had a pretty good run, until the last years of Berrys tenure... scrappy teams, but not quite good enough to get over the hump... If you tell me you thought that '85 Pats would be in the super bowl, i'd have a hard time believing that... but ultimately, despite their successes, the team collapsed at the end of the decade...

the end of Berrys run, leading into Rod Rust then pivoting to **** McPherson saw a significant decline in this team... The stars of the 70's and 80's were hitting their mid thirties or were out right retiring... Grogan was a shell of himself, Tippett was on his way out, Nelson was giving his final thumbs up, Hannah was no longer anchoring the line, Russ Francis was a year or two away from being replaced by Zeke Mowat... Tie all of this into the unsettled ownership drama... The Sullivan family going broke on the hill that was Randy & Tito Jackson... Victor Kiam's rocky finances which ultimately lead to the league basically forcing him to sell the team, to James Orthwein who, if you believe his son (and I do) really wanted to move and wasn't long for New England (Hello Stallions!)...

Bill Parcells was hired iirc January of 1993... i didn't look it up, so it could have been a bit earlier or a bit later... Almost overnight the front office side of the team was solidified and projected stability which had been lacking on this team since 1988 (or was it 1989? correct me anyone if you know) when things with Berry started going south... If you don't agree with that assessment, then you aren't being honest with yourself... between 1993 and 1995 the Patriots drafted Drew Bledsoe, Vincent Brisby, Max Lane, Todd Rucci, Chris Slade, Willie Mac, Ty Law, Troy Brown, Marty Moore, Ted Johnson and Curtis Martin... The core of the guys that Parcells assembled were the same guys who carried the Patriots to their first Super Bowl victory...

The team successes in the 1960', the 1970's and even the early part of the 1980's do not matter, and aren't germane to the conversation because the franchise had become embroiled in the chaos that surrounded ownership & the front office... Parcells came in and took over the football operations... It was Parcells who set the ship right... ultimately he laid the foundation for this team to succeed... Bill Parcells had a tremendously positive impact on this team from the word Go... It did end oh so poorly fueled by a clash of egos that pitted a resurgent Tuna against a younger, feistier Robert Kraft,

have I explained it well enough? Is it easier to understand where I am coming from? lemme know.

Thanks for this great post. Some little tidbits: The difference maker in '85 was Grogan.

Flutie alone could have had them competitive at least at .500, while getting valuable experience, but it would have taken Kiam deciding to make him the starter. No one else was going to do it.

Bob & Bill are the same age. The difference between them is that Parcells had many years of NFL experience including leading (and he did lead) teams to two world championships, while Bob was a guy who bought the team and had zero NFL experience.

Took me years to come around on Parcells, mainly because I detest the Giants. But Bill didn't do what he did with the same insidious nefariousness as Al Davis. He wasn't with us anymore, and while he won't say it he was hurt by the way Kraft drove him out of town.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If the Patriots had given Welker a poison pill contract to get him here and Belichick was formerly their coach, I doubt that the Dolphins would put him in their Hall of Fame.

Got it.

 

[BelizePats]

I hate this. Kraft has become an assclown. Parcells actively sold us out. He's dead to me.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

But this franchise was bottom-barrel with no hope in sight before he arrived, going 14-50 over four seasons. Everything was a mess -- roster, coaching staff, front office, facilities, stadium. Tuna brought professional competence that turned things around quickly. He hired a good staff, drafted well and his reputation helped sign free agents. He also was a stabilizing influence in the ownership transition from Orthwein to Kraft. And without him, BB likely wouldn't have been on Kraft's radar. It's a shame his tenure was tainted by how things ended.

Tuna came back here for largely sentimental reasons.

For health reasons, he'd retired and didn't know if he was even going to be able to coach again.

Bob paid a record sum to buy out Orthwein who'd paid off the enormous debt run up by Sullivan and Kiam. He felt he had to meddle.

 

[raduray]

I don't get it. 500 record and quit on team before Super Bowl appearance.