Palmer on Stidham

[rochrist]

The general belief is Stidham was destined to be a rd 1 talent before his transfer which left him on a poorly run offense. If the Pats offense is tailored to his strengths, maybe the kid has a shot of being good....

Or hes the next Ryan Mallet/ O'Connell.

He's clearly neither of those guys. Both of them struggled to hit 50 percent of their passes in preseason (the entire time they were here), Stidham hit 70 percent is his first crack at it.

 

[Deus Irae]

What, doing better in every category then JAG did his first year?

How did Stidham do better than JAG in the mental makeup category?

 

[Deus Irae]

What, doing better in every category then JAG did his first year?

How about these categories:

First year

JAG v. Stid

Passing:
JAG 19-27 (70.4%)
Stid 2-4 (50%)

TD/INT:
JAG 1/0
Stid 0/1

QB rating:
JAG 101.2
Stid 18.7

Sack%:
JAG 15.6
Stid 20.0

Yards/attempt:
JAG 6.7
Stid 3.5

 

[ctpatsfan77]

How about these categories:

First year

JAG v. Stid

Passing:
JAG 19-27 (70.4%)
Stid 2-4 (50%)

TD/INT:
JAG 1/0
Stid 0/1

QB rating:
JAG 101.2
Stid 18.7

Sack%:
JAG 15.6
Stid 20.0

Yards/attempt:
JAG 6.7
Stid 3.5

Using regular season stats for Stidham is playing small sample size theatre. Comparing something closer to apples-to-apples:

Jimmy G: 46/79 [58.2%], 618 yards, 7.8 YPA, 5 TD/1 INT, 7 20+, 99.0 RTG
Stidham: 61/90 [67.8%], 731 yards, 8.1 YPA, 4 TD/1 INT, 11 20+, 102.6 RTG

And they had enough trust in each to ditch their incumbent QB2.

 

[Deus Irae]

Using regular season stats for Stidham is playing small sample size theatre. Comparing something closer to apples-to-apples:

Jimmy G: 46/79 [58.2%], 618 yards, 7.8 YPA, 5 TD/1 INT, 7 20+, 99.0 RTG
Stidham: 61/90 [67.8%], 731 yards, 8.1 YPA, 4 TD/1 INT, 11 20+, 102.6 RTG

And they had enough trust in each to ditch their incumbent QB2.

My comparison was fine, thanks. I wasn't the one who set up the parameters, after all.

And they once had Ryan Mallett replace the incumbent backup, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't buy that as evidence of anything meaningful.

 

[Nunchucks]

Fans on this board love to hate on the Patriots backup qb, it's been a thing for a long time.

 

[rochrist]

How about these categories:

First year

JAG v. Stid

Passing:
JAG 19-27 (70.4%)
Stid 2-4 (50%)

TD/INT:
JAG 1/0
Stid 0/1

QB rating:
JAG 101.2
Stid 18.7

Sack%:
JAG 15.6
Stid 20.0

Yards/attempt:
JAG 6.7
Stid 3.5

How about them? Are you seriously contending that 4 passes makes for a valid sample size?

 

[scott99]

Though it's a fluff article, there haven't ever been any negative articles about Stidham. He's a highly thought of prospect, whom many had going in the 1st round prior to his last year at Auburn. A season where his TD to Ints was almost a 4-1 ratio, threw 5 Ints all season, with pretty bad weapons, bad O-Line and a ton of drops. It would be silly to underestimate Stidham.

One thing we don't know about him, like we didn't know about Brady before the 2001 season, we don't know what kind of intangibles he brings. Brady was driven to prove everyone wrong, and had a ridiculous amount of confidence in his own abilities, an insane drive to win and be great. That was the difference between him and QBs who were more physically gifted. Not that he wasn't gifted, but there were others with more talent. He blew them all away.

 

[Love The Drake]

Though it's a fluff article, there haven't ever been any negative articles about Stidham. He's a highly thought of prospect, whom many had going in the 1st round prior to his last year at Auburn. A season where his TD to Ints was almost a 4-1 ratio, threw 5 Ints all season, with pretty bad weapons, bad O-Line and a ton of drops. It would be silly to underestimate Stidham.

One thing we don't know about him, like we didn't know about Brady before the 2001 season, we don't know what kind of intangibles he brings. Brady was driven to prove everyone wrong, and had a ridiculous amount of confidence in his own abilities, an insane drive to win and be great. That was the difference between him and QBs who were more physically gifted. Not that he wasn't gifted, but there were others with more talent. He blew them all away.

Good point

 

[RobertWeathers]

Fans on this board love to hate on the Patriots backup qb, it's been a thing for a long time.

"He sucks"

"But he hasn't really played"

"He still sucks"

 

[Zuma]

He never threw a pass in the exhibition games, then?

I left that out because the stats were excellent and didn't fit the dump on Stidham narrative.

 

[Deus Irae]

How about them? Are you seriously contending that 4 passes makes for a valid sample size?

I was contending that your claim was wrong, which it was. I offered evidence to show it.

 

[Zuma]

This is Tom Brady's first year's stats per profootball reference

1 for 3 for 6 yards

So for the smarmy among you how want to continue to try and show everyone how smart you are by dumping on anyone who my think its POSSIBLE that Jared Stidham MIGHT turn into a very good NFL QB down the road, please show me your quotes about your opinions of Tom Brady following the 2000 season.

But here's what I DO know. I find it encouraging that Palmer thinks Stidham has the intelligence and talent to BE a starting NFL QB. Of COURSE he is is more likely to say something good about a guy he is working with, so it all SHOULD be taken with a grain of salt.

But I liked what I saw from Stidham in preseason. I liked it as much as what I saw from Jimmy G in his first season, Nothing earth shattering from ANY of them that first year. What I do find promising from Palmer's discussion was the incremental improvement in all aspects of Stidham's game.

Here's the thing guys. None of us have any idea about how good or bad Jared Stidham is going to be as an NFL QB. No one knew Brady was going to be Brady in 2000, OR 2001, OR 2002 when it looked like the carriage had turned back into a pumpkin. It wasn't until Tom Brady's 4th season (3rd Starting) that we had a clue about the greatness of Brady, and it wasn't until 2004 that when he was just STARTING to be considered among the NFL's best QB's

It's a process, and one that is just starting for Stidham and will be YEARS in the making, assuming he gets a chance to start for a few years at some point. So anyone predicting greatness from Jared, or disaster from this sample of work completely ignores the lessons of history that Patriot fans SHOULD know and apply. NONE of us knows enough to make and intelligent prediction concerning Jared's future.

But that being said, its a lot more interesting point of discussion that the non-stop drivel over Brady's next gig. Thank GOD this great American nightmare is FINALLY going to come to an end over the next couple of weeks (We hope). At that point we will start to build a team again,

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I was contending that your claim was wrong, which it was. I offered evidence to show it.

Gotta say Andy at least you're argumentative and your avatar is hot

 

[rochrist]

Phil Perry does a deep dive on what Stidham put on tape last season.

Perry: If Brady leaves, would Stidham be ready in 2020?

 

[denverpatsfan]

All in for Jarret if Tom leaves. Bring some real impact players in with the cost savings I hope!

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Whether Brady bolts or not, job 1 for bb, is to build a rock solid o line that can pass protect and hopefully run block equally well.

job 2 for bb would to get some reliable tight ends. A tight end can be a qb’s best friend. Please not Watson or lacrosse or Izzo next season! Watching those guys try to play tight end last season was beyond painful!!!

 

[VJCPatriot]

I mean what else would you say about one of your clients? Of course you're gonna rev up the hype train. You want your own client to get a chance to start and earn megabucks and that next fat contract because as an agent you get a piece of that action.

On Stidham.... “To be clear, I think he is a star, and he is going to be a big-time franchise quarterback,” Palmer said, unprompted. “I have felt that way for a couple years now. I’m totally fine saying that. I don’t care that he went fourth round (of the 2019 draft). I think he is legitimate. He is going to be the leader of New England for a long time, whenever that starts. Go ahead and jump on that bandwagon.”
Palmer’s other full-time clients include

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Keep hearing the Pats are in love with Stidham...likely our starting QB going forward

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

The Pats now have the worst QB and offense in the AFC East! Ouch hurts to even type it, but is most certainly true!

Looking at the Pats 2020 schedule, I only see 2 likely wins (at home versus the Jets and Broncos) otherwise, they are going to be the underdog in pretty much every other game. At least they will get to face Brady in LA with the Chargers. Can't wait for him to run that score up!