Packers to Target McDaniels

[RobertWeathers]

I can see that point I look at it like the guy who reported to him is not better suited for his job and time improve and rebuild the offense.
I want somebody elsewhere who can bring fresh ideas and innovate and improve the offense going forward.
Not the next guy in line who falls into the job.
Now maybe O'Shea is that guy and hasn't gotten to show it.
I don't want to squander the last year's of Tom with a yes man.

First prerequisite is to bring in an OC that knows the EP system. Second priority is to find a coach that can work in this culture and for BB.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So now we are blaming the OC for a successful playcall that beautifully abused the fact that nobody really keys on TB12 ? For heavens sake it left him wide open with a lane for an easy first down but then he **** himself by stumbling over his own damn feet / field. Hell even the hit he took is not on the playcall but on Bradys competitiveness/stubbornness. He could have given himself up at any point but no he had to avoid going to the ground before the marker on a third down as if this was a playoff game or the SB.

The decision to get hit at that point is very similar to forcing a stupid pass on third down or standing in the pocket too long and getting drilled. A bad mental decision on the QB.

But blaming the OC ? Are you serious ?



No he is on the same level as callers like McVay or Shanahan who can design and abuse the tendencies and formations of opponents like really nobody else. The difference to Gase ? He is calling more than the same 4-5 concepts like a Manning offense used to do.



I find it amazing that stuff like that comes up in a season that might have been his finest work in long time. We started the season with Hogan and Dorsett because Edelman got himself suspended and Gronk is just a ghost of his former self and still made it work to the point where we are among the best offenses in the league. Do they need to improve the efficiency in the redzone ? No question but reducing this down to playcalling when your premier redzone threat of the last decade is a shell of himself is absurd.

This is the same kind of twisted logic people had last year complaining about Patricia/BB when they coached the hell out of the defense that had more issues than even this years unit has.

I mean if you can call the play 95% of the time maybe you should get your lazy ass up and start a coaching career because apparently you are much better at it than about 85% of NFL coaches that can't do what you can do.

The CP stuff is also pretty funny. Just because they are able to design 3-4 really good plays for him most weeks you think they can built an entire offense around the guy ?

Have you noticed how almost every positive play of his has a deception element to it ? You know when they were able to run him without any trickery ? When they faced a team that was very weak on their interior and they kept hammering the gut with him.

As always it is a endless circlejerk of hindsight. No matter how good a call or strategy in terms of percentages or against a specific defense is, if in the end it doesn't work it becomes a stupid idea around here which is just embarrassingly reductive.

And if something works out it is because our QB is supposedly a genius (who can't keep his ****ing feet straight while running forward but thats the OC's fault of course) and it is time to jerk him off yet again.

Seriously I hope people like you get their wish and then have to sit through 1-2 seasons of NFL-level average coaching one day. Maybe this will make you appreciate the season where you watched the best of the best doing their thing a bit more.

Long story short: I never once complained about Matt Patricia and was bummed that he left, as he was a phenomenal mind and a truly great defensive coordinator. I was also bummed when O’Brien left and very rarely was critical of him. I was rarely critical of McDaniels until the last several years, but I see what I see, and it’s a highly predictable offense, especially in the RZ, with personnel groupings that don’t make sense and result in guys in 1-on-1 matchups they won’t win and Brady knows that.

We will agree to disagree. Three years from now, McD is coaching college football after flaming out in the NFL, that’s my prediction. I guess we won’t know until he’s gone...or we kind of have seen it already...a punchless head coach/OC without Brady and Belichick. Let’s see if he’s improved since then (really skeptical.). Meanwhile my money is on his replacement being just fine.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Honestly we have all only gotten glimpses of what O'Shea is doing but a lot of the offense looks like a team effort by all coaches. I would be surprised if he had not learned a lot from working with Josh. Whether that is enough.. who knows. But how was Flores in any other situation really ?

Only BB knows if OShea can handle it.

There isn't a fan on this board who knows of OShea can/can't do the job.

 

[IllegalContact]

Mcdaniels
Judge
Boyer
Daly
Could very well all need replaced.
Do you feel it's easy to replace a contingency of coaches or do you feel BB can just take on more responsibility.

This is nothing next to the changes the roster will be going through over the next couple of years .... as long as the front office and HC are stable, we should be fine over the long haul

 

[Deus Irae]

I mentioned three things, not one. And you’re the one who said his entire post was crap, not me.

If you aren’t prepared to elaborate, fine.

No, actually, I didn't say his entire post was crap. If you want to play semantics ("I mentioned three things, not one", when I didn't even claim you only mentioned one thing), at least get it right. Here's what I wrote:

You've posted quite an impressive load of ********. It's an 18 wheeler full.

 

[PatsFan2]

In all seriousness there was an article which said Weis wants to come back to the NFL.

If Josh leaves, I can see Weis brought on to help Bill mentor the OC -apprentice

Thought we had newly constructed Stadium?? Can't see the NFL or other Teams signing off on a new construction for the Pats. That's the only way we could get this new Weis in the building. He makes Patriciia looks pitite.

 

[PatsFan2]

He’s an “offensive genius” and “great” head coaching candidate just like Adam Gase, Josh McDaniels 1.0, and a slew of other OCs with elite QBs. He failed miserably in Denver and St. Louis. I’ve found myself very frustrated with his unimaginative concepts and irrational groupings the last two years.

I know many won’t agree with me and that’s fine. If you’re looking for specific reasons: the 2017 Cooks-centric offense, especially in the red zone, was not good last year, and the team showed in the SB they were better off without designing everything around Cooks, who really wasn’t good in the red zone but was still frequently the primary target. Notice that the moment he left the game they stopped playing like scripted, first-read robots and didn’t struggle in short yardage situations any more.

This years red zone offense had been laughable with the passing game. Patterson should be in there every play inside the 10 and motioning for a potential end around sweep, forcing the defense to account for him, but he’s on the bench. Instead they had Gordon and Gronkowski, who are thrown to about 0.1% of the time, and for some buzzard reason, Hogan (instead of the quicker Dorsett who can separate quickly.). Double James White and Brady will throw it away. The broadcasters have frequently pointed out the inane receiving routes that are so easily covered close to the goal line, and how they’re literally the same plays on loop. They should be using Patterson as a backfield threat way more often than they do.

Every run / pass play is so incredibly predictable as well. I can literally call the play about 95% of the time before it’s snapped. I went to the Lions game and someone sitting next to me thought I was clairvoyant. Nope, just seen enough of McDaniels to know. Running up the middle when the line is dominated instead of trying more sweeps that actually work. Happens so often now with this offense, with several road losses being huge examples of a 1966 smash mouth game plan accidentally landing in the modern NFL.

Hindsight may be 20:20, but before Brady injured his knee catching a stupid pass, was there anyone on this entire forum who would have thought it was worth the risk for ten whole yards to have your 41 year old QB running an unnecessary trick play like that?

I’ve been ranting about his gradual stubbornness and outsmarting himself for the past two years. With the receivers and tight ends likely to turnover a lot, maybe McDaniels leaving will be good fortune.

I get it Icy: you won't be dissapointed to see McDaniels go.

 

[luuked]

Long story short: I never once complained about Matt Patricia and was bummed that he left, as he was a phenomenal mind and a truly great defensive coordinator. I was also bummed when O’Brien left and very rarely was critical of him. I was rarely critical of McDaniels until the last several years, but I see what I see, and it’s a highly predictable offense, especially in the RZ, with personnel groupings that don’t make sense and result in guys in 1-on-1 matchups they won’t win and Brady knows that.

We will agree to disagree. Three years from now, McD is coaching college football after flaming out in the NFL, that’s my prediction. I guess we won’t know until he’s gone...or we kind of have seen it already...a punchless head coach/OC without Brady and Belichick. Let’s see if he’s improved since then (really skeptical.). Meanwhile my money is on his replacement being just fine.

A lot of what I wrote in that reply was more towards the overall dismissive attitude people have when they talk about McDaniels. So if some of it hit you by accident and doesn't really fit to your opinion (e.g. the Patricia stuff) then sorry.

Sure lets agree to disagree. But there is a reason why McDaniels goes into the fourth or fifth season in a row as one of the hottest candidates in coaching. And you can't seriously say that everyone in the league is a bozo who can't distinguish between what parts of an offense are due to the gameplan and designs and how much of it is the QB just making amazing plays.

And I think that people tend to overrate how much of it is Brady and underrate how much McDaniels and the rest of the coaching staff works their asses off every week. Both sides hold each other accountable and screw up sometimes. The bottomline for me is if Brady is absolutely satisfied with McDaniels (and there are rumors that he was instrumental to keep him around) then I don't see why we have to go that negative.

 

[sportnik]

McDaniels would be nuts to take this job unless he gets control over player personnel. The Packers have not been drafting well & they are one player away from having the worst talent level in the league.

The Browns job would be far more attractive...

 

[Ochmed Jones]

McDaniels would be nuts to take this job unless he gets control over player personnel. The Packers have not been drafting well & they are one player away from having the worst talent level in the league.

This should be the single biggest factor in where McDaniel’s goes. Control of personnel is vital in today’s nfl.

 

[PatsGirl2011]

I think McDaniels and Rodgers would clash in GB. The Indy job would have been better for Josh with Luck because he doesnt have the ego like Rodgers. I cant see McDaniels taking Rodgers ****.

 

[Love The Drake]

Want to keep him now?

 

[Ring 6]

First prerequisite is to bring in an OC that knows the EP system. Second priority is to find a coach that can work in this culture and for BB.

We would promote from within.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

The Colts job was better than the Packers, QB is 6 years younger and doesn't have an ego also the expectations were much lower and the salary cap basically has no money on it so it's much easier to add pieces quickly.

The Colts are halfway thru a rebuild and already have more young talent on the roster than Green Bay who will have Super Bowl expectations if he takes that job.

I would rather take over Cleveland than Green Bay for sure.

 

[varjao]

For me he can go, I appreciate so many great runs with the Pats but since the last SB and this whole season I agree that our offense could be playing better and not going with stupid playcalling at times. Bring one of those nerds like McVay who can be creative and bold with the playcalling.

 

[Dexter]

 

[Joker]

The Pack should just name Discount Double Dork head coach and then he can appoint a blowup-doll as OC and let the defense handle things on their own. Imagine...he would finally be the "groundbreaker!" he's been touted as all these years.

 

[Love The Drake]

Ugh damn Pack dont want to lose either of those guys.

 

[stcjones]

I for one could not agree more! McD is awful....please GB.....sign the LEAST!!!

He’s an “offensive genius” and “great” head coaching candidate just like Adam Gase, Josh McDaniels 1.0, and a slew of other OCs with elite QBs. He failed miserably in Denver and St. Louis. I’ve found myself very frustrated with his unimaginative concepts and irrational groupings the last two years.

I know many won’t agree with me and that’s fine. If you’re looking for specific reasons: the 2017 Cooks-centric offense, especially in the red zone, was not good last year, and the team showed in the SB they were better off without designing everything around Cooks, who really wasn’t good in the red zone but was still frequently the primary target. Notice that the moment he left the game they stopped playing like scripted, first-read robots and didn’t struggle in short yardage situations any more.

This years red zone offense had been laughable with the passing game. Patterson should be in there every play inside the 10 and motioning for a potential end around sweep, forcing the defense to account for him, but he’s on the bench. Instead they had Gordon and Gronkowski, who are thrown to about 0.1% of the time, and for some buzzard reason, Hogan (instead of the quicker Dorsett who can separate quickly.). Double James White and Brady will throw it away. The broadcasters have frequently pointed out the inane receiving routes that are so easily covered close to the goal line, and how they’re literally the same plays on loop. They should be using Patterson as a backfield threat way more often than they do.

Every run / pass play is so incredibly predictable as well. I can literally call the play about 95% of the time before it’s snapped. I went to the Lions game and someone sitting next to me thought I was clairvoyant. Nope, just seen enough of McDaniels to know. Running up the middle when the line is dominated instead of trying more sweeps that actually work. Happens so often now with this offense, with several road losses being huge examples of a 1966 smash mouth game plan accidentally landing in the modern NFL.

Hindsight may be 20:20, but before Brady injured his knee catching a stupid pass, was there anyone on this entire forum who would have thought it was worth the risk for ten whole yards to have your 41 year old QB running an unnecessary trick play like that?

I’ve been ranting about his gradual stubbornness and outsmarting himself for the past two years. With the receivers and tight ends likely to turnover a lot, maybe McDaniels leaving will be good fortune.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I mean if you can call the play 95% of the time maybe you should get your lazy ass up and start a coaching career because apparently you are much better at it than about 85% of NFL coaches that can't do what you can do.

The CP stuff is also pretty funny. Just because they are able to design 3-4 really good plays for him most weeks you think they can built an entire offense around the guy ?

Have you noticed how almost every positive play of his has a deception element to it ? You know when they were able to run him without any trickery ? When they faced a team that was very weak on their interior and they kept hammering the gut with him.

As always it is a endless circlejerk of hindsight. No matter how good a call or strategy in terms of percentages or against a specific defense is, if in the end it doesn't work it becomes a stupid idea around here which is just embarrassingly reductive.

And if something works out it is because our QB is supposedly a genius (who can't keep his ****ing feet straight while running forward but thats the OC's fault of course) and it is time to jerk him off yet again.

Seriously I hope people like you get their wish and then have to sit through 1-2 seasons of NFL-level average coaching one day. Maybe this will make you appreciate the season where you watched the best of the best doing their thing a bit more.

I regret I had but one like to give this post.