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It would be fascinating to see what this board had to say about Muhammad Ali in 1967 and see how that opinion held up over time. I believe he was doing rather well for himself at the time he said it.
The stand Ali took resulted in significant personal sacrifice. He missed 3 years of his prime as a result. Although a worthy piece to add to this conversation, I don't think it is a good comparison. This is coming from someone who has no issue with Kaepernick sitting.
 
The stand Ali took resulted in significant personal sacrifice. He missed 3 years of his prime as a result. Although a worthy piece to add to this conversation, I don't think it is a good comparison. This is coming from someone who has no issue with Kaepernick sitting.
Not to mention we re talking about a guy who was refusing to take part in a war he didn't believe it. Not at all comparable in my opinion.​
 
I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but I'm also not sure why they really need so much nationalistic pomp and ceremony in the NFL anyways. With American fighter jets buzzing over stadiums and red white and blue fireworks going off during the National Anthem, sometimes they go over the top.

In some ways, I think this trend towards blending NFL with nationalism really kicked into high gear with the Patriots first Super Bowl win in the year of the 9-11 attacks.

Maybe the NFL will just start playing "Take me out to the ballgame" instead.
The "faux" NFL patriotism has already been exposed as a money grubbing ploy. #Will_salute_for_cash
 
I would love to Goodhell to infringe on Kap's rights so Kap can sue is overpaid @ss!
 
Jackie Robinson also did the same thing, for the same reason.
 
I agree with everything KAP has said.

He is speaking for Black Americans who do not have a voice nor, the platform that kap is on.

America has came a long way but racsim is still alive and well.

America was founded on it period.

As young Black man I know we have opportunity but at the end of the day
African Americans Are Still Treated as Second-Class Citizens By the Law.

From the comments I have read I am ashamed to be a pats fan with you guys.


You all can debate about what he did but he was right this is how every African american feels.

You tell us to go back leave America, If you have taken are history made us slaves for over 300 years were do we go? We do not not were we come from just like Arian foster said
". Am I from the Congo? Am I from Kenya? Am I from the Ivory Coast?"


I hope the Pats have a great season but please do not comment on the lives of blacks in this land.

This is truly hard I love America but to my own country my people are nothing.

When I say "leave " it's in the same context as if I were to tell a teammate to leave because he quit trying to win the game.

Maybe the difference is that I consider you and I as brothers on the same team fighting for the same thing.

To give you a bit of my family's history my father left his house with nothing but a few thousand beatings from his abusive father. His family was so poor he and his brother dropped out school early to work on farms so that they could afford to eat. He joined the military without a HS degree. When he retired after 30 years of service he had a masters degree in business.

When I left my father's house he gave me nothing and told me I had to earn anything I wanted. What he did give me was a stable environment which included good schools, food, more than one set of clothes and discipline without the ass beatings. I too joined the military and my brother went on to law school. We are both grateful He gave us better than what he had. This is one of the opportunities both black and white young men still have and I served with many who took it.

That said I know and have seen racism. I've been in a courtroom as a character witness for a black man who was wrongfully accused of assault. Many testified on his behalf and he was thankfully acquitted. Btw, there are just as many incidents in which a black guy helped a white guy out. It goes both ways. So it isn't a case of a white guy saving a black guy rather a brother helping a brother.

I also hate seeing young men (both white and black) killed after committing minor crimes and sometimes for nothing at all.

Ironically BLM is focused on improving black lives but the results will improve all lives which was the case with MLK.

Although I recognize racism exist I don't think it's the main root of our problems. I think our problems rooted to some kind of systematic oppression. Is it the welfare system? White welfare neighborhoods see similar issues as black welfare neighborhoods although black neighborhoods suffer higher consequences. White on white crime, fatherless children, teenage pregnancy and drug issues are all there but we seem to only recognize the black side of things. Admittedly I do not have all the answers.

Growing up in military schools overseas I know first hand that when given an equal platform we achieve similar success. For example the valedictorian could have been anyone of any race. When living in military housing we were "segregated " by our father's rank rather than race so we as kids grew up living together and playing together. It was common to have black and white friends playing at each other's house. When going off base into an English pub or something we were all called "Bloody Yanks".

That said I doubt I would have been able to clear the hurdles these kids face today in our low income neighborhoods. I wish we could change that. Key word being we.

I think our problems are more due to a battle of the Haves and the Have Nots rather than black and white.

I don't consider the Haves as a bunch of racists. I do think they will spend their money to live in higher income neighborhoods with better schools ensuring their kids will have a better opportunity than they had just as my father did.

So what's the solution?

It is not sitting on a bench during the national anthem and it is not blaming whitey or any other divisive BS.

The reason my father was able to escape poverty and give my brother and I a better platform was because we live in a country that affords us the opportunity through hard work and maybe some luck to do so. We have the freedoms and rights that a vast majority of the people on this planet do not have. Because of the ideals this country was founded upon we can continue to improve and correct the wrongs but it has to be done together.

Serving in the military was an honor. I was serving a country which allowed my family escape poverty through hard work. My children now have the opportunity to achieve better than I because of the opportunities I had.

I was not fooled into serving for some elitist purpose. I know the politicians have run out of control and are politicizing **** for fraudulent purposes but the one thing we have going for us is that the Have Nots outnumber the Haves. Our voice or our votes count so we will always have the power to change things. We just have to stop the finger pointing and work together.

The Flag means a lot to me and anyone who disrespects it can leave. It doesn't belong to the politicians it belongs to you and me.

Let an immigrant come here from a country that gave him little opportunity to take their place because they may better appreciate and respect what the flag represents.

With all my heart I will consider you or anyone who works to better this country a brother. I also believe the successes we see here has a ripple effect globally.

Anyways I will never respect a flag burner or a Kappydink. Their actions divide rather than unify. At best he did it out of ignorance and at worst he did it to blame Them. Who's Them? If he thinks it's Mr Whitey then he can go F himself. If he thinks it's the "system" then he is protesting our banner that my father used to beat the "system".

Anyways those are my thoughts.
 
Jackie Robinson also did the same thing, for the same reason.

As someone white, I just can't bring myself to respect the actions of Kap they way I do Jackie's.

I know I'm being judgmental but just can't put Kap and Jackie's in the same context.

There I was, the black grandson of a slave, the son of a black sharecropper, part of a historic occasion, a symbolic hero to my people. The air was sparkling. The sunlight was warm. The band struck up the national anthem. The flag billowed in the wind. It should have been a glorious moment for me as the stirring words of the national anthem poured from the stands. Perhaps, it was, but then again, perhaps, the anthem could be called the theme song for a drama called The Noble Experiment. Today, as I look back on that opening game of my first world series, I must tell you that it was Mr. Rickey's drama and that I was only a principal actor. As I write this twenty years later, I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world. In 1972, in 1947, at my birth in 1919, I know that I never had it made.
 
You missed the plot.
The African Americans who play for their teams are "good blacks," not "bad blacks."


[For the perception-deprived, the above is intended as sarcasm...you can never be too careful out here...]

I went to a HUGE football school down south(I won't name them) and the racism I witnessed down there was straight up ridiculous. It's like I felt I was in 1963.


But every Saturday, without fail that stadium was PACKED filled with thousand of the same whites screaming and chearing for their team which was(at least 85 if not 90% black).

Its crazy when you think about it
 
I did not want to comment on this but seeing that it was 19 pages long I sat down to read. Most of my views have already been said, that this is NOT a freedom of speech issue, that if the NFL wanted to they could put something in the CBA about respectful behavior, and that all kapernick is doing is looking like a dink that further divides people. I think racism has gotten better in this country and there is genuine opportunity for people of any color religion or orientation. Are there still problems? Of course and they need to continue being worked on. To me protests like what he is doing are totally pointless and stupid. What is he changing? Nothing. Now you want to get up at a press conference and offer legit peaceful solutions like funding for better education? Hell yes I would respect you a whole lot more and be able to get behind it. In his position, with a platform to be heard by millions with more money then any one person needs, if he was truly passionate and disgusted by the mistreatment of blacks he could and SHOULD be doing so much more.

IMO I do not think racism is the issue it once was. I think lack of opportunity is. I firmly believe if everyone got the same level of education, the same job training for whatever you were skilled at, people got paid a fair living wage...all this black, white, yellow, whatever stuff would go away. Hate is taught and usually it is to blame someone else for why you are not where you want to be in life. Basic fact of life is everyone needs to eat and survive. When do people rebel and do illegal things? For the vast majority it's when they have no other choice and the sad thing is for far too many born into ghettos and extreme poverty the only choice they have is crime, which leads police to come.down harder, which screws with the statitics, which creates even more of a perception of black criminals...and yeah it's a vicious cycle that is going to take time and real effort to stop.

So final thought does he have the right to protest how he sees fit? Yeah he does but I have the right to call him a dink and be severly disappointed that he is not doing more and calling him out on it.
 
Not enraged at all, more disappointed, but certainly not surprised. I've heard plenty of this kind of stuff from dunces over the years. You are even too much of a coward to explain how to spot a real black person. Someone must have taken you up on it and actually deflated your balls.
User name is actually a reference to the year and a half long scandal involving our starting quarterback. It was called "deflategate". There were allegations the patriots illegally doctored footballs. Many think director of football operations mike kensil had a part in setting up the Patriots and the league was out to get them. Suprised you didn't know that and thought the user name was asking people to literally deflate my balls. Someone this out of touch probably isn't fit to call any one else out though. Just saying
 
I went to a HUGE football school down south(I won't name them) and the racism I witnessed down there was straight up ridiculous. It's like I felt I was in 1963.


But every Saturday, without fail that stadium was PACKED filled with thousand of the same whites screaming and chearing for their team which was(at least 85 if not 90% black).

Its crazy when you think about it

One of the craziest things regarding race I have ever witnessed was when I was in AIT in Alabama. The church I chose to attend while there had just finished voting whether or not to allow black Christians to continue to go to that church. ????? I could not believe it when they told me. Apparently the richer members wanted the church segregated and after the election they left and built their own church.

That was in 1988.

It was comforting to know the elitist lost the vote but dumbfounding to learn that the vote happened in the first place.

A year later I was stationed in Texas and attended a similar church but it had zero minority members. I don't think there was even a tanned white guy in there. So I asked "are there any black members?" " They don't live around here".

Bizarre experience to say the least.
 
One of the craziest things regarding race I have ever witnessed was when I was in AIT in Alabama. The church I chose to attend while there had just finished voting whether or not to allow black Christians to continue to go to that church. ????? I could not believe it when they told me. Apparently the richer members wanted the church segregated and after the election they left and built their own church.

That was in 1988.

It was comforting to know the elitist lost the vote but dumbfounding to learn that the vote happened in the first place.

A year later I was stationed in Texas and attended a similar church but it had zero minority members. I don't think there was even a tanned white guy in there. So I asked "are there any black members?" " They don't live around here".

Bizarre experience to say the least.

This country has some f-ed up places. Ignorant.

Hell the private golf club a 1/2 mile from my house didn't allow Jewish members until 1998.

I live in Worcester County, MA
 
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This country has some f-ed up places. Ignorant.

Hell the private golf club a 1/2 mile from my house didn't allow Jewish members until 1998.

I live in Worcester County, MA

That's unbelievable. 1998? Wow.
 
That's unbelievable. 1998? Wow.

I moved here in 2003 and my townie buddies who have been here since dirt was invented (one of them Jewish) as denied membership told me this.

With that said they are now under new ownership and welcome anyone and everyone - as long as you have $50k and can pay $10k a year
 
This country has some f-ed up places. Ignorant.

Hell the private golf club a 1/2 mile from my house didn't allow Jewish members until 1998.

I live in Worcester County, MA
Tatnuck?
 
Man they gotta do a better job of teaching the first amendment in school lol...see social media flooding with people talking about how he has the right to stand and sit. That's all on the NFL if he has that right.
 
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