OT: Revis wants 20M per year...

[The Coon]

See, I can't take you seriously when you make statements like the bolded one. The Jets pass rush was NOT good at all. As I said earlier, it was extremely hard for this Jets defense to generate any sort of pass rush without blitzing a lot of men.

And again, Revis had more "opportunities" because QB's are eventually forced to throw to their best target. And even with all those opportunities, he still shut everyone down. < 40 passer rating against. That is awful for a QB.

But they blitzed all the time and from all sort of angles. Rex's blitz schemes are second to no one and it the secondary faired much better than they did in Mangini's zone schemes. I dont want to hear that your guys pass rush was bad, when in fact your blitzes were very successful

 

[PatsBoy12]

Re: OT: Revis wants 20M per year....

What are you basing that on?

Revis is one of the best tackling CB's in the game and is great in run support too.

You must have been watching a different Darrell Revis than I. Anyway, we'll just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Nikolai]

What more does he need to do? A couple more pro bowl seasons? Shut down Andre Johnson and Moss a few more times?

Revis had an amazing 2009 season. If he has a similar season in 2010, I think we can safely say he's the top guy in the game.

It takes me just as long to come around on any player, which isn't wholly unwise. Aside from the above-mentioned Cromartie, one-year wonders include Derek Anderson, Jim McMahon, and Steve Beuerlein. Let's just wait and see. Revis has potential through the stratosphere, but let's see some realization before casting roses at his feet, eh?

Using the idiotic logic that some around here like to use, than you would have to say Chris Johnson isn't as good as LT is right now because he hasn't done it for more than a year or 2.

Poor example. No one in their right mind would say LT is at the top of his game right now. The better comparison might be between Miles Austin and Larry Fitzgerald.

 

[eom]

chris johnson's good, but I wouldn't pay him $20m/yr.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Absolutely not. What I am saying is Revis needs to perform over the entirety of his career not just a couple of seasons. He's a marvelous talent who has had a super impressive start to his career but he's hardly Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, Mel Blount yet! He has time on his side and that's what my comment is directed at.

People sit down and whack themselves at small bodies of work. Champions have large bodies of work. Revis is building himself that large body of work.

Did Richard Seymour, Matt Light, Mike Vrabel, Tom Brady, etc. have a large body of work in 2001? Plenty of champions have small bodies of work, and over-reliance on past performance to predict future results is exactly how you end up with a team as overrated as what the Jets have right now, btw.

You're building a straw man, here: nobody, anywhere on this thread, has claimed that Darelle Revis has a superior body of work to Hall of Famers. What plenty of people have said is that Revis had an absolutely spectacular *single season*, and is the best CB in the league right now. Neither of those points are even remotely dependent on large body of work. If someone was trying to claim that he's a hall of famer, you'd have a point, but nobody's claimed that.

Unless you think that Chris Johnson merely had a pretty good season last year, but it wasn't that great because he doesn't have an enormous body of work.

 

[RyanP421]

Re: OT: Revis wants 20M per year....

Was Revis's season year before last really "great"? I've never heard it referred to as such. To even lump it in together with last season is a little silly in my opinion. Whether you want to admit it or not, last season was his "coming out party" and we'll see how long the party lasts.

Different sports, but I heard a lot of people saying that Jonathon Papelbon from the Red Sox was the next Marino Rivera after a ridiculous year that he had. He has since fallen off and his name will never be spoken in the same breath as Rivera's, even after all of the gum flapping similar to what you're doing. Revis is may end up being one of the best, but it isn't unheard of to have a decent year, then a great year, then NOT go on to become a HOF'er. You know, that has happened before. One great year doesn't get you into the hall.

Papelbon hasn't fallen off at all lol...

He had a slightly down year last year, but his numbers were still better than elite.

He is a top 3 closer in baseball..Top 2 actually and there is no legitimate argument against that.

Horrible example.

 

[RyanP421]

First, the Raiders play man defense which means that he is assigned to most team's best WR a majority of the team. It isn't like teams put their best WR on the left side of the line more than a handful of plays.

Second, Asomugha is the classic definition of a shutdown CB. According to profootballfocus.com, opposing QBs threw in Asomugha's direction 28 times. They say teams threw at Revis 111 times. That means that Asomugha shuts down his side of the field more than Revis.

Wrong.

Asomugha plays one side of the field...He lines up against whatever WR lines up on that side...

He does NOT shadow number one WRs...They recently started talking about him starting to do that, but he has mainly been a one side of the field CB.

Revis is thrown on because he's more involved in the defense. Who gives a **** if Lance Long of the Chiefs lines up on the right and Asomugha is covering him? Why would Cassel throw his way anyway?

Huge difference in the two players. The players that Revis is ALWAYS covering have a much larger role to their respective teams than Asomugha does on some of the players he finds himself covering at times. Like when Malcolm Floyd lines up on the right against Asomugha with Jackson split wide to left against Johnson...Of course they aren't going to throw it to Floyd!

People need to educate themselves a little bit better on this situation. Don't take offense to that, it's just frustrating to see such ignorance on the matter.

 

[RyanP421]

that Chris Johnson merely had a pretty good season last year, but it wasn't that great because he doesn't have an enormous body of work.

Haha I said the same thing to these people. By some of the "logic" going around here, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, etc aren't great players yet because they haven't done it for 10 years.

I don't judge players that way. I judge them by their current talent. Not "oh so and so ran for 2000 yds, but I want to see him do it for 10 years before I say he's a great player"

Darrelle Revis is the best CB in the NFL and sadly, it's not even close. There is no argument for anyone else.

It sucks to admit that cause I loathe the Jets, but that's the way it is. Revis is easily the best, sucks we have to face him twice!

 

[ausbacker]

Haha I said the same thing to these people. By some of the "logic" going around here, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, etc aren't great players yet because they haven't done it for 10 years.

I don't judge players that way. I judge them by their current talent. Not "oh so and so ran for 2000 yds, but I want to see him do it for 10 years before I say he's a great player"

Darrelle Revis is the best CB in the NFL and sadly, it's not even close. There is no argument for anyone else.

It sucks to admit that cause I loathe the Jets, but that's the way it is. Revis is easily the best, sucks we have to face him twice!

Are you a moron or just an idiot? Nobody has said they aren't great players the suggestion is for them to be champions they need to do it for the course of a career... just like Revis. That doesn't mean they aren't the best at what they do right now. That's why you have a Hall of Fame.

Flog.

 

[RyanP421]

Are you a moron or just an idiot? Nobody has said they aren't great players the suggestion is for them to be champions they need to do it for the course of a career... just like Revis. That doesn't mean they aren't the best at what they do right now. That's why you have a Hall of Fame.

Flog.

Take your personal insults and shove them up your ass.

People WERE saying it's too early to declare Revis the best at his position right now because of the small sample size. And THAT's what I'm responding to. Get your reading comprehension skills sharpened and go back and read the thread before you personally attack someone from behind a screen for no reason.

The amount of complete idiots on this thread is starting to grow by the day. Pretty disappointing.

 

[eom]

First, the Raiders play man defense which means that he is assigned to most team's best WR a majority of the team. It isn't like teams put their best WR on the left side of the line more than a handful of plays.

lol....yeah, you better listen to what ryan's telling you.

you might be in for some bad news......

 

[RyanP421]

lol....yeah, you better listen to what ryan's telling you.

you might be in for some bad news......

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not....If you are, than you're pathetic.


Off the top of my head, Reggie Wayne lines up on the left pretty much all the time. Vincent Jackson? ditto

Anything else?

 

[RyanP421]

lol....yeah, you better listen to what ryan's telling you.

you might be in for some bad news......

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not....If you are, than you're pathetic.


Off the top of my head, Reggie Wayne lines up on the left pretty much all the time. Vincent Jackson? ditto. I know there are more, I just don't feel like it needs to be proved. It's pretty common knowledge with people who know about football that Asomugha does NOT shadow number 1's. Revis? He does.

Anything else?

 

[eom]

Anything else?

yes - you seem to be a very angry person.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Are you a moron or just an idiot? Nobody has said they aren't great players the suggestion is for them to be champions they need to do it for the course of a career... just like Revis. That doesn't mean they aren't the best at what they do right now. That's why you have a Hall of Fame.

Flog.

That's exactly what a bunch of people on this thread are claiming, which is what I'm disagreeing with it. Nobody's saying that Revis has had a career comparable to Champ Bailey's, for example. Bailey's did it for longer. We're just pointing out that Revis is currently the best at what he does. In my case, I'm claiming that Revis, right now, is better than Champ Bailey was at any single point in his career.

 

[smg93]

Listen fellow pats fans, I don't understand this whole Namdi versus Revis thing at all. Basically, I think that Revis is the best corner in the league and the Jets should pay him 35 to 40m per year for the next 10 years with about 2/3rds of that Guaranteed. He deserves it...

 

[RyanP421]

yes - you seem to be a very angry person.

Honestly, I'm not. I just think the ignorance on these boards is growing more and more by the day, and it gets pretty disappointing to see.

Then when you have people lash out with personal attacks, it's pretty pathetic (not you it was some australian)

This remains the best board to come to to talk football, but I still wish some of the ignorance would just go away.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's exactly what a bunch of people on this thread are claiming, which is what I'm disagreeing with it. Nobody's saying that Revis has had a career comparable to Champ Bailey's, for example. Bailey's did it for longer. We're just pointing out that Revis is currently the best at what he does. In my case, I'm claiming that Revis, right now, is better than Champ Bailey was at any single point in his career.

Revis may not even be the best CB in the game right now. Asomugha may well have that distinction.

Bailey was a shutdown corner, a great tackler, and strong in overall run support. I'm not sure there's any area at all where Revis is even as good as Bailey was, and I certainly don't think he's better than Bailey was. He might one day reach that sort of height, but he's not there now.

Of course, there's no real way to come up with a definitive answer on this.

 

[ausbacker]

Take your personal insults and shove them up your ass.

People WERE saying it's too early to declare Revis the best at his position right now because of the small sample size. And THAT's what I'm responding to. Get your reading comprehension skills sharpened and go back and read the thread before you personally attack someone from behind a screen for no reason.

The amount of complete idiots on this thread is starting to grow by the day. Pretty disappointing.

You're a twat. Not much else to be added in all honesty. I don't think Revis is the best corner in the game but he's certainly an exceptional talent. Respond to that with a sook if you may.

Tease me about Australia again you ********.

 

[Deus Irae]

Honestly, I'm not. I just think the ignorance on these boards is growing more and more by the day, and it gets pretty disappointing to see.

Then when you have people lash out with personal attacks, it's pretty pathetic (not you it was some australian)

This remains the best board to come to to talk football, but I still wish some of the ignorance would just go away.