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OT: Refs screwed the Vikings

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So with that logic, a team should just quit once they have a certian number of turn overs? Or, how about a team is able to over come mistakes, (which they dide) and win a game (which they did without the refs helping the saints.)

The fact is the viking killed themselves, that was obvious. The logic is that really only the refs on the field saw the plays as they happened, and watching the end of a play on tv is not boots on the ground. On the PI Thomas was pushed and held, which is illegal after 5 yards, but who knows. Only the refs know, and we had just as many bad calls on us. They were just not at the end of the game. All of the calls were booth reviewed at the OT.
 
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The title should be changed to Favre/Childress/Peterson screwed the Vikings. All 3 had way more to do with the loss than a missed call.

For those who cry that we don't care because it didn't happen to the Pats, I call BS. We got screwed with that lame PI call against the Colts, not to mention that questionable spot on 4th and 2. But neither of those individually lost us the game, and that missed call against the Vikings didn't cost them the game either.

The Vikings had a huge opportunity to end the first half with the lead on the road and fumbled it away. They would continue to turn the ball over throughout the second half, culminating in that pick on the last drive of the game. The Vikings played well enough to win, but they made more than enough mistakes to lose. To single out the refs for one missed call seems ridiculous when you turn the ball over that many times.
 
The title should be changed to Favre/Childress/Peterson screwed the Vikings. All 3 had way more to do with the loss than a missed call.

For those who cry that we don't care because it didn't happen to the Pats, I call BS. We got screwed with that lame PI call against the Colts, not to mention that questionable spot on 4th and 2. But neither of those individually lost us the game, and that missed call against the Vikings didn't cost them the game either.

The Vikings had a huge opportunity to end the first half with the lead on the road and fumbled it away. They would continue to turn the ball over throughout the second half, culminating in that pick on the last drive of the game. The Vikings played well enough to win, but they made more than enough mistakes to lose. To single out the refs for one missed call seems ridiculous when you turn the ball over that many times.

Easy now, if you try to talk sense into the Favre ballwashers they might just call you a worthless human being Your walking on thin ice here by making sense!!
 
Easy now, if you try to talk sense into the Favre ballwashers they might just call you a worthless human being Your walking on thin ice here by making sense!!

convertedpatsfan always makes sense, I feel sorry for him,lol
 
The title should be changed to Favre/Childress/Peterson screwed the Vikings. All 3 had way more to do with the loss than a missed call.

What are your thoughts on the Pats failing at the end of the game against the Colts? Who takes the blame in your mind for that loss?
 
Easy now, if you try to talk sense into the Favre ballwashers they might just call you a worthless human being Your walking on thin ice here by making sense!!

Oh, I wasn't trying to imply that Lord Favre was anything less than perfect, just that Childress and AP made him look bad with their less-than-perfect games. But that's not Brett's fault. He's just a fun-loving guy who loves to play the game and spends the summers on his tractor and...

convertedpatsfan always makes sense, I feel sorry for him,lol

That's not true. Just ask my wife if I make sense all the time

What are your thoughts on the Pats failing at the end of the game against the Colts? Who takes the blame in your mind for that loss?

The thing here is that it's not just about the failing at the end of the game. There were a lot of different things that could have changed that outcome, especially to start the second half.

Don't forget the Pats got the ball to start the 3rd quarter. They're up 10, they drive the ball to the Indy 33 and then take a shot with Moss in the end zone, and the ball gets intercepted by a safety Brady never saw coming. That was a huge turnover.

Indy took over and then Peyton throws a pick at the New England 24. So we take the ball, drive all the way back down the field again to Indy's 2 yard line, and then Maroney fumbles, touchback. Back-to-back turnovers in the end zone.

Indy would end up punting, and thanks to Wes Welker's return, we have 1st and goal and finally score another TD. Some would say that because we scored, the turnovers didn't matter, but that's not true. We've missed two golden opportunities to put points on the board. A field goal from either of those possessions changes the game, and a TD from Maroney could have sealed it.

Another moment: Manning gets picked again midway through the 4th quarter, and we've got the ball at Indy's 31. We pick up a 1st down at Indy's 20, and suddenly the play-calling gets conservative. We're thinking field goal for the points, rather than going for the TD and the win here. Short pass to Moss for 4. 2nd and 6, we run Faulk out of the shotgun (see the Faulk Shotgun run flow chart) for a loss of 2. 3rd and 8, we go conservative and try a short pass to Faulk that falls incomplete, and we settle for the FG.

This all happened before that ridiculous PI call, before 4th and 2, and the defense that couldn't seem to stop Manning.

So who is to blame for the Colts loss? Everyone. The entire team. The coaches, the players, the offense, the defense, the QB, the RBs, the DBs, the OL, the DL...we can argue whose mistake mattered the most or which missed opportunity hurt the most, but the bottom line is there were a lot of opportunities to win this game, and we just didn't do enough in the second half. To blame it on the 4th and 2 call, or that phantom PI call isn't fair or accurate.

Sorry if that came out a bit strong. The wound still hurts a bit.
 
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12 men in the huddle.

the refs did not blow that call.

**** the vikings.
 
I don't see how you cannot argue the same thing for the Vikings' loss, as a team effort. There are 101 things that they could have done differently (which didn't happen) to change the outcome of that particular game. It wasn't just Chilly or Favre or Peterson, for that matter.
 
To be fair, Kevin Williams was called for the exact same play (excessive force) earlier in the season by the same refs, so at least they are consistant.

The play talked about wasn't even the worst call against the Vikings! And i'm not talking about the P.I. BS either. The worst call was giving the Saints a first down on that fourth and one play. He clearly had the first down until he FUMBLED the ball into his midsection. He lost the forward progress on the hit and because of that, it's the Vikings ball at around midfield in OT.


As much as I would like to agree with you (I was rooting hard for the Vikes), I disagree on the fourth and 1 call. If you watch closely, I don't believe that the runner's hand ever comes off the ball. Sure, it slides down his body, but with his hand on it. Therefore, he never technically fumbled the ball and thus the refs correctly ruled it a first down based on forward progress.
 
I don't see how you cannot argue the same thing for the Vikings' loss, as a team effort. There are 101 things that they could have done differently (which didn't happen) to change the outcome of that particular game. It wasn't just Chilly or Favre or Peterson, for that matter.

I agree 100%, which is why I don't think the title of this thread is fair or accurate. A missed call by the refs isn't why the Vikings lost.

Yes, I named 3 other Vikings who played a part, but you're right, we could name the entire team (though there's only so much room in a thread title ). My intent wasn't to single anyone out, but rather to point out the officiating wasn't THE reason the Vikings lost.
 
or how about blaming the Vikings for playing poorly against Arizona, Carolina, and Chicago in the last month of the season? If they had won ONE of those games, even JUST ONE, they would have hosted New Orleans in the NFCCG.

NO WAY the Saints beat the Vikings in the Metrodome, much less get any favorable calls b/c they don't have HFA.

And yes, it seems like HFA = refs more on your side. When the Saints played the Bears in Soldier Field 3 years ago, the Bears were getting all the calls in their favor, one which gifted them 3 pts.
 
Fair enough, converted. I thought you were singling out those 3 players as the scapegoats.

Disgruntled, you seem to have forgotten that the Saints didn't play their starters in week 17. You can't assume that they would have lost to the Panthers if they actually needed the win to clinch the #1 seed at the time.
 
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