OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[VectorPrime]

When the season expands to 18 games and the final playoff bye is removed to add in two more teams the attritional nature of the game is gonna make Brady’s volume stats unattainable.

 

[Guts]

When the season expands to 18 games and the final playoff bye is removed to add in two more teams the attritional nature of the game is gonna make Brady’s volume stats unattainable.

We all know for sure the postseason numbers will never be touched

 

[Guts]

Unfortunately, it is only a matter of time until Brady also gets overtaken in most of these stats now that theyve started to expand on the 16 game schedule (I’m sure its going to expand further). Also, the game is so much more pass heavy than it was in the first 5-6 years of Brady’s career. His win % and championships will probably be safe for a long time though. His legacy is undoubtedly more secure than the likes of Brees & Rodgers.

I'm not too sure about that. Even with the extra game a QB will have to play at an elite level for at least 16 seasons or more without injuries

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I was trying to think if any quarterback in the history of football has ever owned all the records for championships and winning and all the stats like Brady has. I wonder if any old time quarterbacks like Baugh has it all or is Brady the only one?

Arguably Graham, if you count his AAFC championships/stats. Fair to to say that when Graham retired he was the most celebrated winner and held the most impressive statistical accomplishments. Graham didn’t have all the counting stats but had the highest efficiency and nearly equaled Baugh’s TDs (exceeded them if you count rushing TDs). Luckman had four championships to Graham’s three, but Graham had won the AAFC four straight years and had three runner ups in the NFL. Ten straight seasons of reaching thhe title game. By reputation, Graham was the king of everything.

 

[Haterproof]

GB has the easiest schedule remaining by far with Chi, @Bal, Cle, Min and @Det.
Next is TB with Buf, LR, @Car, @NJ and Car.
After that there are three teams with roughly the same strength of schedule,
Ariz with LR, @Det, Ind, @Dal and Sea.
Dal has @Was, @NYG, Was, Ariz and @Phi.
Rams have @Ariz, Sea, @Min, @Bal and SF
Washington could also sneak in there if they beat Dallas twice.

I think the NFC seeding will look like this:
1 - GB
2 - TB
3 - Arizona
4 - Dallas
5 - Rams
6 - SF
7 - Was

In a perfect world Arizona and Green Bay will drop just one more game and the Bucs win out! The only games on the Packers schedule they could potentially lose are @ Baltimore or to Cleveland on Christmas day! Of course this all hinges on which version of those teams show up on that day! The Bears shouldn't even bother taking the field on Sunday and I don't see the Vikings doing very well in the 2nd game @ Lambeau!

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

In a perfect world Arizona and Green Bay will drop just one more game and the Bucs win out! The only games on the Packers schedule they could potentially lose are @ Baltimore or to Cleveland on Christmas day! Of course this all hinges on which version of those teams show up on that day! The Bears shouldn't even bother taking the field on Sunday and I don't see the Vikings doing very well in the 2nd game @ Lambeau!

I have a hunch that Packers @ Ravens game will decide the top NFC seed. I see the Cardinals losing another game. If the Bucs beat the Bills, I think they’ll win out.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Saints, Packers, and to a lesser degree Cowboys, all have cap issues next year. Rams, too, considering their depleted draft picks.

 

[RicoG]

I'm not too sure about that. Even with the extra game a QB will have to play at an elite level for at least 16 seasons or more without injuries

QBs are protected more than ever and rules will continue to change to favor the QBs and WRs so his regular season stats are not safe.

If Brady retires this year after winning the SB against NE. I agree with previous poster that it is just a matter of time, maybe 20 or 30 years, for his regular season stats to be surpassed.

If Brady loses the SB to NE. He'll want to play again next year. That additional year will make it very hard to beat his regular season stats.

If Brady wants to ensure his stat lead last forever, he needs to play 2 more years to the 2023 season.

 

[amfootball]

QBs are protected more than ever and rules will continue to change to favor the QBs and WRs.

If Brady retires this year after winning the SB against NE. I agree with previous poster that it is just a matter of time, maybe 20 or 30 years, for his regular season stats to be surpassed.

If Brady loses the SB to NE. He'll want to play again next year. That additional year will make it very hard to beat his regular season stats.

If Brady wants to ensure his stat lead last forever, he needs to play 2 more years to the 2023 season.

Brady said this year during his weekly interview with Jim Gray that he plans to play next season and the season after. There has been talk of another extension in the off-season. Will be very interested to see how they do his deal given the 4 dummy years they put on this year. I think this next contract might take him through age 47. Just a hunch.

 

[sb1]

I don't know how the Bucs are only 3.5 point favorites for this one.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

Brady said this year during his weekly interview with Jim Gray that he plans to play next season and the season after. There has been talk of another extension in the off-season. Will be very interested to see how they do his deal given the 4 dummy years they put on this year. I think this next contract might take him through age 47. Just a hunch.

I wonder if he leaves the Bucs then to play his final year or two somewhere else. aren’t they going to be screwed with the cap in 2023?

 

[VectorPrime]

I wonder if he leaves the Bucs then to play his final year or two somewhere else. aren’t they going to be screwed with the cap in 2023?

The cap is going up and you can always make room if you don’t mind a growing problem in the future, which the Bucs shouldn’t.

 

[Guts]

I don't know how the Bucs are only 3.5 point favorites for this one.

Bills are desperate for a win and they do still have a great defense. The offense just has been really inconsistent

 

[VectorPrime]

Now apparently Brady is less significant to Boston sports than Or and Larry Bird. I just can’t.

 

[sb1]

Bills are desperate for a win and they do still have a great defense. The offense just has been really inconsistent

That is true. I think having no Tre White will be a bigger problem against the Bucs than it was against us for obvious reasons.

I don't think the Bills can run or stop the run that well either so that could be a problem.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don't know how the Bucs are only 3.5 point favorites for this one.

Momentum is often an illusion. The teams are fairly even in overall strength, though I think the Bucs are a bit better.

 

[Guts]

That is true. I think having no Tre White will be a bigger problem against the Bucs than it was against us for obvious reasons.

I don't think the Bills can run or stop the run that well either so that could be a problem.

The Bills were constructed to beat the Chiefs. To that extent they matchup pretty well vs the Bucs offense because they're a big play offense first as well like the Chiefs. The big difference is Brady is more than willing to run the ball and take what the defenses gives him so I expect a big Leonard Fournette game

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I wonder if he leaves the Bucs then to play his final year or two somewhere else. aren’t they going to be screwed with the cap in 2023?

I don’t think they’re screwed by the cap. I look for (a) bad contracts and (b) dead cap hits. They have about 10-15M in contracts they’ve deferred and will be paying in 2023, but half of that is Brady, who could restructure.

The main thing is how they’ll cope with FA departures and injuries while picking so low in the draft, and whether or not any of these multi-year deals end up becoming burdens.

It’s too soon to tell which teams are cap hamstrung for 2023, other than teams with monumental QB cap hits coming due.

 

[amfootball]

Unfortunately, it is only a matter of time until Brady also gets overtaken in most of these stats now that theyve started to expand on the 16 game schedule (I’m sure its going to expand further). Also, the game is so much more pass heavy than it was in the first 5-6 years of Brady’s career. His win % and championships will probably be safe for a long time though. His legacy is undoubtedly more secure than the likes of Brees & Rodgers.

I am not sure about that. Right now Brady is about 5 seasons ahead of Rodgers who just turned 38 last week. If Brady does play 2-3 more years, that would put Rodgers at age 40/41 with still 5 more seasons to go to catch Brady.

In terms of the young QBs, even with the expanded season, they will have to careers of 15+ years of consistent excellence to catch Brady. Also something to consider is how athletic the QB position has become. There are almost no true pocket passers left so even though the rules favors passing, the QB position is much more dynamic as he is also viewed in today's game as a runner. I do think the rushing records will go down hard over the next 5-10 years for sure. But in concert with that, QBs longevity will be impacted, see Cam Newton.

But in terms of Brady's passing numbers, it probably does eventually happen but not for a long time. This is why Saints fans so badly wanted Drew to play one more season past Brady so he could hang on to the volume records.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Holy crap! 320,000 for a regular season jersey in a game that wasn’t even historic? That is freaking insane.