OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[1960Pats]

Bird never won without Parrish, Walton, Ainge.

Magic never won without Jabbar or James Worthy.

Those are facts.

The 90s had some great teams. The Rockets, Jazz and Sonic had a few great years. There just wasn't a great team that spanned the entire decade like the Bulls.

But even the Bulls were 2 different teams, the early 90s and late 90s were not the same team outside of MJ and Pippen.

Russell won with everyone he played with.

 

[Guts]

Carlton Davis is questionable for the Buccaneers with a hamstring injury - ProFootballTalk

That Davis injury is concerning with him being the best corner on a already thin secondary. I see that he did practice though so that's a good sign.

 

[gobesmug]

I'm not diminishing the greatness of Jordan, I'm elevating Russell's to it's proper position.

When you say that once MJ had a team he won every year, what constitutes winning?

So MJ's team tanked to get another top player for MJ. I'm not surprised. Red never had to do that because he had Bill.

Okay, I was wrong. Jordan won one against old man Magic.

The Celts never won anything until Russell arrived and didn't win for a few years after he left. With him they won 11 in 13 years and the last two with him as a player/coach. The only one I can think of who's approaching that kind of success is Tommy LomBrady

Russell was dominant on a Brady kind of level. Nothing can take that away.

Every player needs great players, so Jordan needing Pippen means nothing. Russell had Bob Cousy and John Havalicek during those years, Cousy for the beginning and Havalicek for the latter.

When you start a conversation by saying "but with a list of negatives" that is trying to deminish whatever it is you were talking about.

 

[carmelo15]

MJ won his first Ring against Magic and the Lakers.

MJ played with a crap team that he took to the playoffs every year, even as a rookie.

It took MJ getting hurt then Krause intentionally benching him so they could get a lottery pick which got them Pippen.

Once MJ had a team he won every year.

There is no need to deminish greatness in order to elevate another great player

I don’t know why you even responded to the post it was a clown comment

 

[amfootball]

Russell was dominant on a Brady kind of level. Nothing can take that away.

Every player needs great players, so Jordan needing Pippen means nothing. Russell had Bob Cousy and John Havalicek during those years, Cousy for the beginning and Havalicek for the latter.

When you start a conversation by saying "but with a list of negatives" that is trying to deminish whatever it is you were talking about.

I believe Bill is the Goat but Jordan changed the game. His Bulls were the first team ever to dominate and not have a dominant center. The offense ran through him because he was that special.

Every single player since has tried to be like him even Lebron who likes to pride himself on being different is chasing Michael's ghost.

He was insanely clutch and ruthless on the court. I never thought I would ever see another competitor like him until Brady.

I do wonder if Brady's success has somewhat diminished how we view Jordan now. It seems strange to say but no modern athlete has ever been as dominant as long as Brady and now that he has more titles than Mike, I think it is fair to wonder.

 

[amfootball]

One other thing - are we seriously putting Pippen in the same category as McHale, Parrish, Worthy, Kareem? He was certainly a nice compliment to Michael and a great fit for the triangle offense but he was not close IMO to the other greats to play alongside a superstar in NBA history.

 

[RicoG]

Just saw this. Gronk only has 23 TD since 2016. Didn't realize the drop off went that far back as he was still an important cog during the playoffs.

 

[Reubski23]

Just saw this. Gronk only has 23 TD since 2016. Didn't realize the drop off went that far back as he was still an important cog during the playoffs.

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well he did miss half of 2016 and all of 2019…..

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Just saw this. Gronk only has 23 TD since 2016. Didn't realize the drop off went that far back as he was still an important cog during the playoffs.

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Not sure if this is joking. You remember he retired ???

 

[1960Pats]

I believe Bill is the Goat but Jordan changed the game. His Bulls were the first team ever to dominate and not have a dominant center. The offense ran through him because he was that special.

Every single player since has tried to be like him even Lebron who likes to pride himself on being different is chasing Michael's ghost.

He was insanely clutch and ruthless on the court. I never thought I would ever see another competitor like him until Brady.

I do wonder if Brady's success has somewhat diminished how we view Jordan now. It seems strange to say but no modern athlete has ever been as dominant as long as Brady and now that he has more titles than Mike, I think it is fair to wonder.

I think titles are far more difficult to achieve in football than in basketball. How many teams have won back to back titles in the NYFL. Not many over the years. Plenty have done it in the NBA and Russell did it 11 of 13 and 8 straight. That makes Brady's accomplishments even greater.

 

[VectorPrime]

A dynasty in the NFL is superior to a dynasty in any other sports league. It’s much harder to accomplish for a whole host of reasons.

 

[1960Pats]

I don’t know why you even responded to the post it was a clown comment

Russell has more titles in 13 years than MJ and LeBron have had in their entire careers COMBINED.
Let that sink in Bozo.

 

[RicoG]

Not sure if this is joking. You remember he retired ???

I know. What's interesting though is if Gronk has a dominant regular season again with about 10TD, he'll probably jump to 2nd on that list.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I know. What's interesting though is if Gronk has a dominant regular season again with about 10TD, he'll probably jump to 2nd on that list.

Um. Yes exactly. Being retired will lower him on the list since 2016. Obviously.

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[wpdougie2180]

I believe Bill is the Goat but Jordan changed the game. His Bulls were the first team ever to dominate and not have a dominant center. The offense ran through him because he was that special.

Every single player since has tried to be like him even Lebron who likes to pride himself on being different is chasing Michael's ghost.

He was insanely clutch and ruthless on the court. I never thought I would ever see another competitor like him until Brady.

I do wonder if Brady's success has somewhat diminished how we view Jordan now. It seems strange to say but no modern athlete has ever been as dominant as long as Brady and now that he has more titles than Mike, I think it is fair to wonder.

The 1st part is completely false. Isiah did it literally right before Jordan did. People like to leave that out but it happened. Also the narrative that once Jordan started winning he won ever year is false also, no matter the hand waving 1995 still happened.

 

[VectorPrime]

The Jordan myth is so all encompassing. And the Last Dance was a hilarious piece of propaganda. How many people even remember that after the 98 Finals it was not in fact Jerry Krause making a unilateral decision to blow up the team, Jordan was undecided until he was in the Caribbean one night drunk off his ass at a casino table when he accidently cut off part of a finger with a cigar cutter which required surgery and rehab that would have kept him out the 98 season which incidentally was also shortened by a lockout.

 

[venecol]

How did this thread devolve into a Michael Jordan one? A demerit to whoever the fv&k started this.

 

[borg]

How did this thread devolve into a Michael Jordan one? A demerit to whoever the fv&k started this.

Ian uses any break to get a crew in here to hose down all the man-love

 

[amfootball]

The 1st part is completely false. Isiah did it literally right before Jordan did. People like to leave that out but it happened. Also the narrative that once Jordan started winning he won ever year is false also, no matter the hand waving 1995 still happened.

Isaiah had Lambeer and they did not run the triangle offense.

 

[venecol]

Ian uses any break to get a crew in here to clean up all the man-love remnants

Not surprised you're in the crew with your penchant for prison shower stories.