OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[RicoG]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the stars of last night show:

The 1st star is former Patriot Tom Brady.
The 2nd star is former Patriot Rob the Gronk.
And the 3rd star, former Patriot Antonio Brown.

Now where would these Bucs be without these guys bailing them out.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Kelce. LOL. Guy can't block worth a dime.

Correct.

But his ability to create separation and get yards after the catch are second to none.

 

[amfootball]

Correct.

But his ability to create separation and get yards after the catch are second to none.

Second to Gronk who can also block like a beast. Kelce did not change anything about the position.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He's going to get serious consideration for the Hall.

I'm a Gonzalez fan. But when at their very best, Gronk is the best TE I've ever seen. He was generational.

Both him and Kelce have redefined the position.

I mean...somewhat true. Gronk has been the absolute prototype of a classic tight end.

Kelce...I actually like the guy; I think he's one of the classiest opponents out there. He shouldn't get knocked for his lack of blocking. He should just be considered some other type of position like a Move TE and a hybrid TE/WR. Same argument about Jimmy Graham when he was doing similar things. Bottom line is, whatever you call him, he's a big time asset to have...just not close to the same level as Gronkowski.

 

[amfootball]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the stars of last night show:

The 1st star is former Patriot Tom Brady.
The 2nd star is former Patriot Rob the Gronk.
And the 3rd star, former Patriot Antonio Brown.

Now where would these Bucs be without these guys bailing them out.

Every time I watched Brady connect with AB, I kept thinking that could have been us, should have been us in 2019.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I mean...somewhat true. Gronk has been the absolute prototype of a classic tight end.

Kelce...I actually like the guy; I think he's one of the classiest opponents out there. He shouldn't get knocked for his lack of blocking. He should just be considered some other type of position like a Move TE and a hybrid TE/WR. Same argument about Jimmy Graham when he was doing similar things. Bottom line is, whatever you call him, he's a big time asset to have...just not close to the same level as Gronkowski.

Kelce showed mad respect for Brady after SB 55. Honestly, I wasn't a fan of Kelce's antics to start his career. But he's matured. A better person.

Hill on the other hand...I'm not a huge fan of. I don't like the fact that he doesn't face the media after tough losses. It annoys me that he throws tantrums when he doesn't get the ball enough.

Now, I would change my username from Mahomes to Kelce. But it won't let me.

 

[Deus Irae]

Is he now ahead of Peyton?

No.

Manning is #1, and Brees is #2 (this is since 1960).




It's a bit of a wonky stat, IMO, because it's dependent upon being behind when it's late enough for a drive to be considered. Also, Tom's got 49 GWDs, and only 82 career losses. So Brady's GWDs are 60% of his loss totals. Brees sees his break at 53-124 (43%), and Peyton sees his at 54-92 (59%), which shows us some separation between Brady/Peyton and Brees.

 

[VectorPrime]

Kelce showed mad respect for Brady after SB 55. Honestly, I wasn't a fan of Kelce's antics to start his career. But he's matured. A better person.

Hill on the other hand...I'm not a huge fan of. I don't like the fact that he doesn't face the media after tough losses. It annoys me that he throws tantrums when he doesn't get the ball enough.

Now, I would change my username from Mahomes to Kelce. But it won't let me.

Well also Hill is a deviant.

 

[Deus Irae]

This is my biggest take away - secondary and skill guys puked all over themselves, 4 TOs, crap load of penalities and they still won and would have won most likely by 2 scores if Godwin does not do that stupid spin move near the goal line with under 5 minutes to play.

The offense is smoking and yet still lots of room for improvement especially once Gio is fully incorporated.

Dallas is a really good team. Their receiving corp may be only second to the Bucs in the NFC.

I do think we need to remember that Dallas' offense was facing a very depleted Bucs secondary (starting CB was lost in 1st quarter, starting S missed the entire game and the S3 had cramping problems and missed a chunk of the game, leaving a practice squad player to take his place). I don't say that to denigrate the Cowboys, but to point it out with regards to the Cowboys' upcoming game against the Patriots. That group of WRs is very good, but last night may be fairly close to its current high playing level.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just shows how football stats are still in the stone age compared to something like baseball. Brady finished with a 97 passer rating that would have been around 130 if not for two interceptions that weren't his fault. I cringe every single time he checks it down to Fournette.

I'm trying to figure out how the Bucs receivers with their size let someone intercept a hail mary in the first place LOL.

Keeping the numbers pure eliminates subjectivity in stat keeping. I don't agree that such is a thing that keeps stats "still in the stone age". Quite the contrary, I think it leads to more reliable data overall, particularly for average to long careers, save for a very rare individual who's good or bad luck has been absolutely extraordinary.

 

[Kargetina]

 

[Deus Irae]

I like the aggressiveness with the Hail Mary throw. Gronk almost had it. Godwin and Evans were in the area but it seemed like they were in Lala land.

Yeah,


Gronk probably makes that catch if he just stops drifting back. It's not a blame thing (we're talking hail Mary here, after all), but just an observation. Gronk's approach took him out of the play.

 

[Deus Irae]

He's going to get serious consideration for the Hall.

I'm a Gonzalez fan. But when at their very best, Gronk is the best TE I've ever seen. He was generational.

Both him and Kelce have redefined the position.

Gronk's a first ballot HOFer.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Gronk's a first ballot HOFer.

He looked really good last year. Like shaking the rust after his year out of football off. This will be huge for them. Hope he stays healthy. Buccs games will be fun to watch

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Vita Vea was a beast as well. I think Biadasz has nightmares from him according to Jerry Jones

 

[Guts]

Bucs will be fine. They'll be in Los Angeles in February health permitting. When you have a -3 turnover ratio, all those penalties and still win? Those are very fixable mistakes moving forward

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Bucs will be fine. They'll be in Los Angeles in February health permitting. When you have a -3 turnover ratio, all those penalties and still win? Those are very fixable mistakes moving forward

Yeah i agree. Their offense looks oiled. Their front 6 is stout. Only the secondary might be an issue don't know about the injury time. But they like to play agressive which may be helpful. Also they used to get good pressure with 4 guys so i think they solve coverage issues.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs will be fine. They'll be in Los Angeles in February health permitting. When you have a -3 turnover ratio, all those penalties and still win? Those are very fixable mistakes moving forward

They should win next week. After that, they go cross country to play the Rams, then have to go up to New England the following week. That's probably going to be their toughest two week stretch this season, unless the Saints are able to show themselves as a real threat.

 

[VectorPrime]

They should win next week. After that, they go cross country to play the Rams, then have to go up to New England the following week. That's probably going to be their toughest two week stretch this season, unless the Saints are able to show themselves as a real threat.

The Rams are a huge mystery and could be a debacle. Or fantastic.

 

[RicoG]

Keeping the numbers pure eliminates subjectivity in stat keeping. I don't agree that such is a thing that keeps stats "still in the stone age". Quite the contrary, I think it leads to more reliable data overall, particularly for average to long careers, save for a very rare individual who's good or bad luck has been absolutely extraordinary.

For QBs, that's why looking at win totals and playoff success should be looked at hand in hand with stats to determine how good a QB is. Brees had passing yard stat padding in playing from behind a lot. Manning had a lot of TD stat padding with many goal line throws instead of runs.

The kind of game Belichick and the Patriots played with Brady, clean and controlled games, do not lend itself to much shootouts and worthless stat padding.