OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[amfootball]

Ok, and you may be right (Bills/Browns), but the question at hand was better record, not better playoff success, and that's what I was posting about. Sorry for the confusion.

You think KC will win more games than the Bucs? Just based on schedules, I see the Bucs winning more games. They have an easier division, conference and are playing a second place schedule. Also their 17th game is the Colts. The Chiefs have the Packers.

 

[Deus Irae]

You think KC will win more games than the Bucs? Just based on schedules, I see the Bucs winning more games. They have an easier division, conference and are playing a second place schedule. Also their 17th game is the Colts. The Chiefs have the Packers.

It could be either. Both have the potential to go undefeated. Both have the potential to have surprisingly bad seasons.

 

[sb1]

They are still the top dog in the AFC, but teams are starting to figure out how to slow them down. Until Mahomes gets some patience and not try to go for the jugular on every play, he will lose to a Tom Brady led team.

Their running game is also questionable.

Assuming health, Bucs Chiefs will be the first rematch in NFL history since Bills Cowboys.

SB54 - 78.1 passer rating
SB55 - 52.3 passer rating

Maybe Mahomes will go crazy and get a passer rating above 80 in a Super Bowl this time.

 

[sb1]

Not sure where Sports Illustrated is getting 6 losses from. Unless they think an injury bug hits.

Buccaneers 2021 Predictions
11-6, Division Champions, 4th seed
Beat Saints in Wild Card
Beat Packers in Divisional
Lose to Rams in Championship

Chiefs beat Rams

DAL, ATL, @LAR, @NE, MIA, @PHI, CHI, @NOR, @WFT, NYG, @IND, @ATL, BUF, NOR, @CAR, @NYJ, CAR

If they stay healthy I don't see one probable loss in that group so not sure where 6 losses are coming from either. Rams? I don't think a Matt Stafford team scares anyone. I think the Bills might be if the game was in Buffalo but it's at home. Pats? I'm sure Brady will not allow that to happen and he'll try to put 100 on us if he can. It's tough though playing the second half of a back to back on the road coming east. WFT? Can't see a Fitz offense doing enough. Division game I guess, cause those are unpredictable. Now watch the Jets end their run at an undefeated season

 

[Guts]

Thanks for the answers and conversation to my question guys.

I think Bucs will have a better record.

As for the Chiefs they've been pretty fortunate that neither Hill or Kelce has missed significant amount of time. I wonder how their offense would look like if one goes down(hopefully it doesn't happen). Kelce is getting up there in age too

 

[Deus Irae]

The Bucs are the oldest team in the NFL https://bucswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/01/nfl-oldes-team-2021-tampa-bay-buccaneers-tom-brady/… via
@thebucswire

 

[amfootball]

That's mostly because of Brady. If you take out his 44 years they probably jump up a bit.

 

[amfootball]

Thanks for the answers and conversation to my question guys.

I think Bucs will have a better record.

As for the Chiefs they've been pretty fortunate that neither Hill or Kelce has missed significant amount of time. I wonder how their offense would look like if one goes down(hopefully it doesn't happen). Kelce is getting up there in age too

Hill missed I think 6 or 7 games a couple of years ago with a broken collarbone courtesy of Jalen Ramsey. It was early in the season when it happened. Not sure how Mahomes and the O was effected. I will have to look it up.

 

[RicoG]

DAL, ATL, @LAR, @NE, MIA, @PHI, CHI, @NOR, @WFT, NYG, @IND, @ATL, BUF, NOR, @CAR, @NYJ, CAR

If they stay healthy I don't see one probable loss in that group so not sure where 6 losses are coming from either. Rams? I don't think a Matt Stafford team scares anyone. I think the Bills might be if the game was in Buffalo but it's at home. Pats? I'm sure Brady will not allow that to happen and he'll try to put 100 on us if he can. It's tough though playing the second half of a back to back on the road coming east. WFT? Can't see a Fitz offense doing enough. Division game I guess, cause those are unpredictable. Now watch the Jets end their run at an undefeated season

The Rams have a top notch coaching staff and have good players. They are a very good team that have upgraded their QB. Goff is an average QB and Stafford is above average. So I think the Rams, Packers, and Bucs will be the top teams in the NFC.

When NE had very talented teams they usually had 3 losses or less. As a very talented team rivalling the 2007 NE team, I predict the Bucs go 15-2.

 

[amfootball]

The Rams have a top notch coaching staff and have good players. They are a very good team that have upgraded their QB. Goff is an average QB and Stafford is above average. So I think the Rams, Packers, and Bucs will be the top teams in the NFC.

When NE had very talented teams they usually had 3 losses or less. As a very talented team rivalling the 2007 NE team, I predict the Bucs go 15-2.

Do you really see Stafford as an upgrade? He has a better arm but he also has the 10 cent head to go along with it. They also lost their top RB for the season. I like McVay a lot but I find the Stafford hype train a bit baffling to be honest. The guy has been a career loser even when he had the best receiver in the league in Johnson.

 

[amfootball]

What are people's thoughts on the Dallas game in 7 days? Dak is playing but his shoulder is not 100 percent. I expect the Bucs offense to have its way with the Dallas D. I am also interested to see what type of defensive scheme the Bucs play vs Dallas. They are talented on O.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

What are people's thoughts on the Dallas game in 7 days? Dak is playing but his shoulder is not 100 percent. I expect the Bucs offense to have its way with the Dallas D. I am also interested to see what type of defensive scheme the Bucs play vs Dallas. They are talented on O.

Unless Dallas D improved significantly I don't see them winning.

Bucs by 14

 

[RicoG]

Do you really see Stafford as an upgrade? He has a better arm but he also has the 10 cent head to go along with it. They also lost their top RB for the season. I like McVay a lot but I find the Stafford hype train a bit baffling to be honest. The guy has been a career loser even when he had the best receiver in the league in Johnson.

It's hard to turn around a franchise with a tradition of losing. An elite or very good QB can do it, as Brady has done in 1 season for the Bucs. I never believed Stafford was in that category, just that he is above average to good.

I don't put much weight on the Lions being average to bad all these years on Stafford. I also knew after that SB loss to the Phillies that Mat Patricia would be a terrible head coach. As the defensive coordinator, he is at least equally to blame for that defensive debacle.

But we will find out in the next couple years if Stafford is a good QB or not.

 

[amfootball]

It's hard to turn around a franchise with a tradition of losing. An elite or very good QB can do it, as Brady has done in 1 season for the Bucs. I never believed Stafford was in that category, just that he is above average to good.

I don't put much weight on the Lions being average to bad all these years on Stafford. I also knew after that SB loss to the Phillies that Mat Patricia would be a terrible head coach. As the defensive coordinator, he is at least equally to blame for that defensive debacle.

But we will find out in the next couple years if Stafford is a good QB or not.

Right. I like Stafford and certainly don't wish a bad season for him. But he has never had that "it" factor IMO to elevate his own play or those around him. He certainly has talent which has helped him earn a boat load of money but I don't see him as a difference maker especially not at this stage of his career.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

FYI for league protocol purposes only. Let’s not take it further in this thread.

Bruce Arians: Buccaneers are 100% vaccinated, including every player, coach and staffer

All members of the Buccaneers organization have gotten their shots.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[amfootball]

FYI for league protocol purposes only. Let’s not take it further in this thread.

Bruce Arians: Buccaneers are 100% vaccinated, including every player, coach and staffer

All members of the Buccaneers organization have gotten their shots.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

This is kind of stunning. Forget the vax and the science and all the back and forth. From a football perspective, to have 100 percent is a HUGE competitive advantage. Arians has been beating that drum all off-season. Arians.

And here is Bill yesterday, saying how the vax is not really helping things. The contrast is eye opening. For a coach who has soaked footballs and left the tarp off the field to gain ANY competitive advantage, it is baffling that he is not all over this rule to ensure the team is not comprised.

 

[sean10mm]

Just in terms of avoiding running afoul of league COVID rules and missing playing time for it (whether you like the rules or not) this is a big positive for the team.

 

[carmelo15]

Do you really see Stafford as an upgrade? He has a better arm but he also has the 10 cent head to go along with it. They also lost their top RB for the season. I like McVay a lot but I find the Stafford hype train a bit baffling to be honest. The guy has been a career loser even when he had the best receiver in the league in Johnson.

I’d say Stafford is an extreme upgrade but like you said they lost Akers and on top of that they lost there number two CB and starting safety

 

[Guts]

I’d say Stafford is an extreme upgrade but like you said they lost Akers and on top of that they lost there number two CB and starting safety

Rams can be a problem but their depth is terrible.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

This is why you keep rookies away from the media. How stupid is this guy?
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