OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[VectorPrime]

Well this helps the Bucs in their path to the 1 seed by a good amount.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think it was the correct call (one of the few), even though it’s not really why the rule exists. It exists because players would get pulled from behind with no idea it was coming, whereas in this case Winston sort of forced White to grab the back of his jersey when trying to go past him. I don’t recall many horse collars that were (a) the result of the offensive player making a juke move, (b) approaching from the front/side and not from behind, and (c) a grab of the jersey and not the collar.

However, the tackle still does qualify as a penalty under the rules.

A. He does grab Winston’s jersey at the name plate…you can see his hand on the name.
B. He does pull Winston towards the ground.
C. Winston, while a QB, is outside the pocket and tackle box.

You're arguing the letter of the rule (which I get), while I'm noting that the contact first actually happened to the right of the name plate, and the name plate just became part of the hand hold because it was a cross-body grab, which is not supposed to be the intent of the rule, at all.

As I said, if they're going to make this sort of thing illegal, they might as well just ban all tackles from behind. The league needs to cut this **** with this stuff. All these idiotic rules aren't stopping about a million ACL injuries from happening every year.

 

[amfootball]

I wonder if OBJ ends up in Tampa. He loves Brady. Has said in the past he wants to play with him.

 

[Deus Irae]

I wonder if OBJ ends up in Tampa. He loves Brady. Has said in the past he wants to play with him.

I've thought about it, and I think the dynamics would be fascinating, but how would they make room for him, this year? It would,, possibly, work if it was a situation where he'd accept being a deep bench guy this year, and then replace Godwin next year, on the cheap, but I don't see him doing that. Do you?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think most likely OBJ destinations (assuming he wants to play out the year and then hit FA) are Chiefs, Bills, Saints, Packers, Ravens.

I’m hoping the Chiefs don’t get him. It would figure they’d get bailed out and **** lucky after checkmating themselves.

 

[Guts]

I wonder if OBJ ends up in Tampa. He loves Brady. Has said in the past he wants to play with him.

Nah they have enough with their core of receivers.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I've thought about it, and I think the dynamics would be fascinating, but how would they make room for him, this year? It would,, possibly, work if it was a situation where he'd accept being a deep bench guy this year, and then replace Godwin next year, on the cheap, but I don't see him doing that. Do you?

I could see him replacing AB, who will be 34 next year and continues to pile up mileage injuries.

 

[Tottie]

Chiefs and Saints make sense if he clears waivers. I doubt either team can pay him the 8mil he's owed. How do waivers work? Do they have to clear room for him before he's claimed? How long do they have to do so? Can they restructure with him or do they need to release a vet, sign him, restructure and then resign that vet.

 

[RicoG]

I could see him replacing AB, who will be 34 next year and continues to pile up mileage injuries.

OBJ busted out of the gates his first 3 years, but hasn't been anything special since. Plus he has missed a lot of games due to injuries.

I haven't seen anyone who can get open like AB and is also a deep threat. Closest was Edelman on short and intermediate routes only.

But then again, I don't really watch film on other receivers outside of NE and Tampa. Is OBJ more like a speedster like Tyreek Hill?

I'd prefer a 34 year old AB. He'd probably be a lot cheaper then OBJ too.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Chiefs and Saints make sense if he clears waivers. I doubt either team can pay him the 8mil he's owed. How do waivers work? Do they have to clear room for him before he's claimed? How long do they have to do so? Can they restructure with him or do they need to release a vet, sign him, restructure and then resign that vet.

If he has an offset clause, it means whatever the new team pays him, the Browns pay him the remainder of the balance up to $8M. In other words, unless a team offers him mire than $8M, he can just sign for the minimum and will get the same amount.

 

[amfootball]

I've thought about it, and I think the dynamics would be fascinating, but how would they make room for him, this year? It would,, possibly, work if it was a situation where he'd accept being a deep bench guy this year, and then replace Godwin next year, on the cheap, but I don't see him doing that. Do you?

I think it's a stretch for sure. That's an interesting scenario you laid out. I think it is more likely he replaced AB. I think much depends on Brady and that receiver room. For OBJ, I think it could revive his career which has been tanking.

 

[RicoG]

MOST GAMES WITH THREE-OR-MORE PASSING TOUCHDOWNS – NFL HISTORY



Rank Player Yards

1. Tom Brady 98

2. Drew Brees 97

3. Peyton Manning 93

4. Aaron Rodgers 77

5. Brett Favre 72



MOST GAMES WITH FOUR-OR-MORE PASSING TOUCHDOWNS – NFL HISTORY



Rank Player Games

1. Tom Brady 38

2. Drew Brees 37

3. Peyton Manning 35

4. Aaron Rodgers 31

5. Brett Favre 23

Well at least in NO, Brady took away more records from Brees.
He also added a new different receiver in Cyril Grayson who caught a TD.
What significant record is next for Brady?

 

[amfootball]

MOST GAMES WITH THREE-OR-MORE PASSING TOUCHDOWNS – NFL HISTORY



Rank Player Yards

1. Tom Brady 98

2. Drew Brees 97

3. Peyton Manning 93

4. Aaron Rodgers 77

5. Brett Favre 72



MOST GAMES WITH FOUR-OR-MORE PASSING TOUCHDOWNS – NFL HISTORY



Rank Player Games

1. Tom Brady 38

2. Drew Brees 37

3. Peyton Manning 35

4. Aaron Rodgers 31

5. Brett Favre 23

Well at least in NO, Brady took away more records from Brees.
He also added a new different receiver in Cyril Grayson who caught a TD.
What significant record is next for Brady?

Poor Brees. His only significance was his records. lol

 

[RicoG]

Now that most of Brees major records are broken thanks to Brady, is he even a first ballot HOF?
Among his contemporaries, I would rate them in the following order:

HoF Candidate:
Aaron Rodgers 1SB, 3MVP
Drew Brees 1SB (overhyped but a lock)
Ben Roethlisberger 2 SB(is he a lock?)
Eli Manning 2 SB ( undeserved but for the fame from the SB wins plus the last name)

Out of HoF:
Philip Rivers
Mat Ryan 1 MVP
Matthew Stafford

 

[venecol]

MOST GAMES WITH THREE-OR-MORE PASSING TOUCHDOWNS – NFL HISTORY



Rank Player Yards

1. Tom Brady 98

2. Drew Brees 97

3. Peyton Manning 93

4. Aaron Rodgers 77

5. Brett Favre 72



MOST GAMES WITH FOUR-OR-MORE PASSING TOUCHDOWNS – NFL HISTORY



Rank Player Games

1. Tom Brady 38

2. Drew Brees 37

3. Peyton Manning 35

4. Aaron Rodgers 31

5. Brett Favre 23

Well at least in NO, Brady took away more records from Brees.
He also added a new different receiver in Cyril Grayson who caught a TD.
What significant record is next for Brady?

I can see Rodgers eventually passing Brady on those records.

 

[amfootball]

I can see Rodgers eventually passing Brady on those records.

I see Rodgers as a wild card because he is mentally unstable. I mean would it surprise you if he retired at the end of this season? I wouldn't be.

If he does actually continue to play and play at a high level and lands in a good situation after this year, then maybe he has a chance. Much also depends on how long Brady keeps playing. There has already been talk of another extension at season's end. I believe Brady himself said already he wants to play next year and the year after so if that happens and Tampa remains stacked which there is no reason to believe Licht won't continue to go all in as long as Brady is there, it will be every difficult for Rodgers to catch him IMO.

 

[RicoG]

I see Rodgers as a wild card because he is mentally unstable. I mean would it surprise you if he retired at the end of this season? I wouldn't be.

If he does actually continue to play and play at a high level and lands in a good situation after this year, then maybe he has a chance. Much also depends on how long Brady keeps playing. There has already been talk of another extension at season's end. I believe Brady himself said already he wants to play next year and the year after so if that happens and Tampa remains stacked which there is no reason to believe Licht won't continue to go all in as long as Brady is there, it will be every difficult for Rodgers to catch him IMO.

Rodgers is not a young guy either. He is 38 this year.

I agree that he could retire anytime and Brady might outlast him. Even if he ends up playing until 42 like Brees, we all saw the drop off.

 

[RicoG]

I can see Rodgers eventually passing Brady on those records.

Nah. As Brady will keep adding to it. He already has 5 games of 4 or more TDs.

He'll probably have at least 5 more games with 3 or more Tds.

3TDs or more use to be an awesome day even just 5 years ago.
But now it's not so hard.

4TDs are also easier to get too and use to get Brady in the conversation for player of the week.

5TDs is the exceptional standard this year and going forward. Which Brady already has 2 of this year, but only garnered him 1 player of the week award.

 

[amfootball]

Rodgers is not a young guy either. He is 38 this year.

I agree that he could retire anytime and Brady might outlast him. Even if he ends up playing until 42 like Brees, we all saw the drop off.

He is also a mobile guy who does throw off platform a lot. None of that suggests high performance into the 40s. He could of course but the odds are stacked high and much depends if he leaves GB. IMO, he is in the perfect situation in GB with LaFleur, that crap division, a team that is not asking him to fling the ball around anymore. To leave that and go to the AFC brings in a lot of unfavorable factors for him.

 

[RicoG]

I can't see Rodgers performing at a high level much past 40. He is more like Ben Roethlisberger then Tom Brady. Big Ben has looked more like a pudgy middle age adult rather than an elite athlete for a.few years. For Rodgers, it's more his face and bags under his eyes making him look middle age indicating to me that he doesn't get enough sleep and take care of himself nearly at the same level as Brady.

I believe that to play at an elite level into the 40s, one must be disciplined in taking care of your body in everything. Sleep, food, hydration, stretching, strengh training, rest, vitamins, sliding, not going for a fumble and being piled on (last NO game), etc.