OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady protesting too much about the jersey rule change. Dude is worried as hell.

I don't want to embarass you, so I'll politely inform you that the game is over and you lost decisively.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The Thuney signing and Brown trade (and likely another big splash signing) is making me question Prince Pat's greatness even more. The guys in the Super Bowl were indeed flaming garbage cans, but you don't have many resources, the team is thinning out rapidly, you have very little youth, and you're going out and signing two very, very expensive offensive linemen to add the an already absurdly expensive offense? I don't believe they're in position to make these kinds of moves right now and should be focusing on bargains and depth; their holes are pretty gaping, and they're going to try to solve it all again by scoring 75 points per game.

 

[VectorPrime]

Brown is also on the last year of his deal and will be looking for a top of the market contract next offseason.

 

[carmelo15]

Brady protesting too much about the jersey rule change. Dude is worried as hell.

hes gonna look like Jamie’s Winston now huh

 

[carmelo15]

Brown is also on the last year of his deal and will be looking for a top of the market contract next offseason.

Im assuming they have to resign him you can’t trade a 1st than let him leave the following season

 

[IllegalContact]

Im assuming they have to resign him you can’t trade a 1st than let him leave the following season

With all the fake years going into contracts these days, it won’t be a problem

 

[Deus Irae]

 

[gobesmug]

The Thuney signing and Brown trade (and likely another big splash signing) is making me question Prince Pat's greatness even more. The guys in the Super Bowl were indeed flaming garbage cans, but you don't have many resources, the team is thinning out rapidly, you have very little youth, and you're going out and signing two very, very expensive offensive linemen to add the an already absurdly expensive offense? I don't believe they're in position to make these kinds of moves right now and should be focusing on bargains and depth; their holes are pretty gaping, and they're going to try to solve it all again by scoring 75 points per game.

Pat is still a great QB and might win another ring or 2 before he hangs up his cleats, but the days of having elite talent around him are coming to an end unless they have have some incredible drafts.

The 35mil a year that wasn't going to him but other players around him is over.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Pat is still a great QB and might win another ring or 2 before he hangs up his cleats, but the days of having elite talent around him are coming to an end unless they have have some incredible drafts.

The 35mil a year that wasn't going to him but other players around him is over.

I don't understand the cap allotment there. You have a QB making that much money, meaning he will make guys around him better. It is true that Mahomes is much less dependent on stellar offensive line play, even if the Super Bowl was an extreme case. I don't see why you'd pay so much money to all of these guys. That defense is going to be terrible unit. We had gone through the advanced stats before the Super Bowl and thought they might just a be an average to even bad unit that got bailed out by the offense...in the Super Bowl, the entire unit was healthy and got totally shredded. There's no doubt the Chiefs will be better with these two monsters on the O-Line, but I think their tackle issues were a freak injury thing and they would have been okay with some decent players there.

The problems they're going to have due to spending all their money to fix a minor issue (minor, provided no big injuries) are going to be insurmountable. Their best player cannot make the defense better, and it's questionalbe how much he can make these superstars better; they're already really good, so there's less multiplier effect.

Lastly, this is a zero-sense move in throwing away a first round pick for a guy who will demand a market contract anyway. They're using that valuable draft pick and won't get any cheap value years; could do the same thing in the free agent market by just outbidding everyone and keep your first rounder.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't understand the cap allotment there. You have a QB making that much money, meaning he will make guys around him better. It is true that Mahomes is much less dependent on stellar offensive line play, even if the Super Bowl was an extreme case. I don't see why you'd pay so much money to all of these guys. That defense is going to be terrible unit. We had gone through the advanced stats before the Super Bowl and thought they might just a be an average to even bad unit that got bailed out by the offense...in the Super Bowl, the entire unit was healthy and got totally shredded. There's no doubt the Chiefs will be better with these two monsters on the O-Line, but I think their tackle issues were a freak injury thing and they would have been okay with some decent players there.

The problems they're going to have due to spending all their money to fix a minor issue (minor, provided no big injuries) are going to be insurmountable. Their best player cannot make the defense better, and it's questionalbe how much he can make these superstars better; they're already really good, so there's less multiplier effect.

Lastly, this is a zero-sense move in throwing away a first round pick for a guy who will demand a market contract anyway. They're using that valuable draft pick and won't get any cheap value years; could do the same thing in the free agent market by just outbidding everyone and keep your first rounder.

I'm not really understanding your position here. First, as of now, K.C.'s biggest problem deal is the Frank Clark deal, not the deal of an offensive player. Second, Kelce's cap is under $9m until 2022. Third, Mathieu's current cap his is over $19.7, as this is the last year of his deal. So the team will either work out an extension or sign him in the offseason. Either way, his cap hit will be less than that $19.7m next year.

So, sure, the Chiefs build it a bit more top heavy than others, but it's (mostly) in places where the money should be spent (Mahomes/Hill/Jones/Kelce).

 

[VectorPrime]

I’m Not sure why anyone is excited about Kyle Long being on the Chiefs when he hasn’t been to a Pro Bowl since 2015 and was retired last year.

 

[Lansdowne]

Gronk set the Guinness World Record for highest altitude catch of an American football. Just another day in the wild life of Gronk.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Gronk set the Guinness World Record for highest altitude catch of an American football. Just another day in the wild life of Gronk.

Give that man a Brushchi!

 

[amfootball]

I'm not really understanding your position here. First, as of now, K.C.'s biggest problem deal is the Frank Clark deal, not the deal of an offensive player. Second, Kelce's cap is under $9m until 2022. Third, Mathieu's current cap his is over $19.7, as this is the last year of his deal. So the team will either work out an extension or sign him in the offseason. Either way, his cap hit will be less than that $19.7m next year.

So, sure, the Chiefs build it a bit more top heavy than others, but it's (mostly) in places where the money should be spent (Mahomes/Hill/Jones/Kelce).

The Chiefs are building a team much differently than the Pats. It is for sure top heavy. Where they run into issues with this approach is they have no depth on the roster. That is where you sacrifice on a top heavy roster. This came home to roost big time last year when they lost both starting tackles prior the SB. They had scrubs behind them and as a result they got embarrassed in the SB.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Chiefs are building a team much differently than the Pats. It is for sure top heavy. Where they run into issues with this approach is they have no depth on the roster. That is where you sacrifice on a top heavy roster. This came home to roost big time last year when they lost both starting tackles prior the SB. They had scrubs behind them and as a result they got embarrassed in the SB.

When New England lost its tackles in 2019, and was forced to play guys like Newhouse at the position, we saw the same problem.

 

[amfootball]

When New England lost its tackles in 2019, and was forced to play guys like Newhouse at the position, we saw the same problem.

Sure. I am not saying any approach is fool proof. But over the years, we have been able to plug and play better than most teams because Bill comprises his teams mostly of mid-tier players and very few top end guys so we have great depth throughout the roster. We also build the team from the inside out where as KC is outside in.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure. I am not saying any approach is fool proof. But over the years, we have been able to plug and play better than most teams because Bill comprises his teams mostly of mid-tier players and very few top end guys so we have great depth throughout the roster. We also build the team from the inside out where as KC is outside in.

I think you may have a misperception about the Chiefs. First round drafting from 2002 to the present:



Second round drafting from 2002 to the present:



Third round drafting from 2002 to the present:

 

[amfootball]

I think you may have a misperception about the Chiefs. First round drafting from 2002 to the present:



Second round drafting from 2002 to the present:



Third round drafting from 2002 to the present:

Since they signed Mahomes and he became the starter, the majority of their cap is tied up in outside guys on both sides of the ball. I am not saying they have no depth at all. I am talking about the approach.

 

[VectorPrime]

The Chiefs are never gonna be bad as long as Mahomes is the QB but their approach is gonna probably lead to loses along the margins.

 

[Deus Irae]

Since they signed Mahomes and he became the starter, the majority of their cap is tied up in outside guys on both sides of the ball. I am not saying they have no depth at all. I am talking about the approach.

You said that they were building from outside in. That hasn't been the case. They've been building largely from the lines out. Also, their depth hasn't really been the problem. Their starters either sucking or being frequent and/or long term injury magnets have been a big part of the problem. Eric Berry's just one obvious example of that. Not keeping the right veterans has been a part of the problem. Rodney Hudson's one obvious example of that.

But a lot of posters here need to step back and rethink all their previously held beliefs about the Patriots and the Patriots successes/failures/approaches. And that's because Brady being gone has already shown a bunch of them to be highly questionable without the G.O.A.T..