OT: New York Approves Location of New Bills Stadium

[patfanken]

Seems Jerry's "party bus" has made him really popular with the other owners. Outside of that, it's hard to explain his popularity. For a recent example, he more or less convinced the rest of the owners to take Kronke's LA proposal above the Davis/Spanos proposal that their committee had recommended. His act just cost the NFL almost a billion dollars to settle the resulting court case filed because they ignored their own rules about relocating teams.

Are you aware that Jerry Jones owned the company (Legends, I think). that runs the naming rights, concessions, and general management of the LA stadium. That is more than just a conflict of interest, it looks like a BRIBE. You don't think that one of the reasons the NFL settled so quickly was partly because the suit was calling out Jones SPECIFICALLY because this conflict. Jones' company is making MILLIONS from his deal.

I'm not sure why this story never got much traction in the media and became a bigger issue. I guess that had to be one HELL of a party bus.

 

[Ring 6]

Wait a second. You believe there is a special class of tax code for athletes? They are called athletes taxes nominally because they were designed to target athletes. But obviously the tax code doesn't apply to just athletes. This is why they count duty days. If it were only a matter of taxing athletes, they would be done with it and just charge them. Instead, they have to give the appearance of equality across professions by carging "duty days."

I think you're confused here between resident and non-resident taxes. A Buffalo Bill could be a non-resident of new York, but NY will charge him based on duty days. A Buffalo Bill could also be charged for a game agains the Rams, but he would be given a credit for that payment to California on his NY state tax.

I posted the article which you evidently chose not to read. The tax rule is specifically and only applicable to athletes playing on the road.

Clearly you have absolutely no idea how this works and are making things up as you go.

 

[Ring 6]

You still don't get it, do you? There is not just two tax brackets. There are multiple brackets. Up to $1m. $1m to #3m. $3m +. The average NFL salary is $2.75m. When you get taxed, your first million is taxed at the lowest bracket. Your next $2 million at the 2nd bracket. Etc. This is why you can't take the entire salary cap and multiply it times 10.5% to arrive a figure that represents the state's annual income tax take.

Wow, you need to slow down and read. I showed you the majority of income is above 1 mill. The players state income taxes alone are about 16 mill. I used 20 million because there are other employees.
I count 183 here and that does not include pecguka enterprises. Those jobs and tax revenue leave with the team too.

The Official Website of the Buffalo Bills

Buffalo Bills: The official source for Bills front office and staff members.

www.buffalobills.com

20 mill is severely low. THEN since they are located there they spend their money there so the additional sales tax, property tax, mortgage tax, fees, etc which probably exceed the income tax also leaves. Give up, you are just out of your depth in this discussion.

 

[Ring 6]

It's obvious. Even Green Cow agreed with me that it's a bunch of degenerates who can't even find a bathroom never mind shell out $200 they don't have for a game.

You are grasping at straws. So you think with an average ticket of $100, the average fan spends $75, no one parks in those full parking lots, the concession lines are an hour long because people stand in line and buy nothing, yet they keep cooking, and the bills can’t sell hard shirts jerseys and gear.
Because people pee.
This could be the worst argument ever in this board.

 

[upstater1]

They pay the taxes, it is well known. Your misunderstanding of tax laws is not a valid argument. They unlike your example are not residents.

What is the "jock tax"?

The commonly labeled “jock tax” is not a new tax but simply the focused enforcement of state income taxation on a particular demographic of individuals – professional athletes. These state tax...

www.taxaball.com

 

[upstater1]

You are grasping at straws. So you think with an average ticket of $100, the average fan spends $75, no one parks in those full parking lots, the concession lines are an hour long because people stand in line and buy nothing, yet they keep cooking, and the bills can’t sell hard shirts jerseys and gear.
Because people pee.
This could be the worst argument ever in this board.

I'm convinced you never been to a Bills game. Every post shows it.

First off, I already said people pay for parking. I said most pay $10 parking offsite instead of the $20 they charge at the lot.

Newsflash: 10k cars in a stadium lot is not going to be enough to bring 72k fans into the stadium.

You're really thinking of New England prices where it costs $30-$60.

And by the way, if you're talking about people driving together to the game, it's even less when you split the cost. You don't add the full cost of parking to everyone in their seats.

As for food, the Bills tailgating experience absolutely dwarfs anything happening in New England. It is a night and day difference, two entirely different things. People are there several hours before the game drinking and eating, even tailgating in people's yards.

I've been to games where we showed up at 9 am and the new owner of the home was like, WTF, what are you doing on my lawn??!?! And we were like oh sorry, we didn't know John had moved. We park here every year. And then after some shrimp and a beer, we let the guy know about all the previous owners of his home!!

Anyway, the point is, I go to several games every year (when the Patriots aren't playing alongside them), I sit at the 50 yard line 10 rows up with friends who have had tickets in their family since the 1960s, so I know the drill. Occasionally, the people around us will brave the way too small concourse where you can't even get by to grab a beer for $10, but mostly, it's people who are already severely liquored up. Food? From a Bills concessionaire???! ROFL! Where do you think you are, Foxboro?

 

[GreenCow]

I'm convinced you never been to a Bills game. Every post shows it.

First off, I already said people pay for parking. I said most pay $10 parking offsite instead of the $20 they charge at the lot.

Newsflash: 10k cars in a stadium lot is not going to be enough to bring 72k fans into the stadium.

You're really thinking of New England prices where it costs $30-$60.

And by the way, if you're talking about people driving together to the game, it's even less when you split the cost. You don't add the full cost of parking to everyone in their seats.

As for food, the Bills tailgating experience absolutely dwarfs anything happening in New England. It is a night and day difference, two entirely different things. People are there several hours before the game drinking and eating, even tailgating in people's yards.

I've been to games where we showed up at 9 am and the new owner of the home was like, WTF, what are you doing on my lawn??!?! And we were like oh sorry, we didn't know John had moved. We park here every year. And then after some shrimp and a beer, we let the guy know about all the previous owners of his home!!

Anyway, the point is, I go to several games every year (when the Patriots aren't playing alongside them), I sit at the 50 yard line 10 rows up with friends who have had tickets in their family since the 1960s, so I know the drill. Occasionally, the people around us will brave the way too small concourse where you can't even get by to grab a beer for $10, but mostly, it's people who are already severely liquored up. Food? From a Bills concessionaire???! ROFL! Where do you think you are, Foxboro?

That’s funny because i’m convinced YOU have never been to a Bills game.

1) “Most” do NOT park offsite. The Bills have 15,000 parking spaces and are usually sold out by 10:30am. There is maybe another 2-3,000 parked in peoples lawns. MOST park in the Bills lots.

2) It’s $40 to park. Not $20.

3) Yes the Bills tailgating dwarfs NE (it dwarfs everyone in the NFL actually) but that doesn’t mean people don’t buy concessions.

You are just plain ole wrong.

 

[GreenCow]

By the way, don't know if you've noticed this but, yesterday the state was actually forced to give up the study done on a downtown stadium after months of refusing to reveal the study to the public.

This isn't the Bills self-serving study which obviously is meant to line Pegula's billionaire pockets (and which the original article on this thread quotes from) but a study done by the state to detail actual costs and benefits.

The state lost its lawsuit to journalists and over the coming days we will finally see the breakdown that they've tried to keep hidden for so long.

Uh what does this have to do with anything?

Or are you just trying to deflect from the fact that you didn’t know the Perry projects were literally right next to the casino?

 

[GreenCow]

It's obvious. Even Green Cow agreed with me that it's a bunch of degenerates who can't even find a bathroom never mind shell out $200 they don't have for a game.

That’s the only thing you got right.

But you’re wrong about the money. People easily spend $200 on game day, if not more.

My tickets alone are $350 per seat.

 

[upstater1]

That’s the only thing you got right.

But you’re wrong about the money. People easily spend $200 on game day, if not more.

My tickets alone are $350 per seat.

I thought we're working off the idea that some seats are $75, some are $125, but the average is $100. regardless, the Bills aren't making $200 on average from each paying person.

I don't now how you don't understand that just because you're paying $400+ per game, that's not the experience of most people.

Typical Bills game: $100 ticket, $10 parking split between 4 (OK, so make it $20 in the Bills lots), $11 beer.

 

[upstater1]

That’s funny because i’m convinced YOU have never been to a Bills game.

1) “Most” do NOT park offsite. The Bills have 15,000 parking spaces and are usually sold out by 10:30am. There is maybe another 2-3,000 parked in peoples lawns. MOST park in the Bills lots.

2) It’s $40 to park. Not $20.

3) Yes the Bills tailgating dwarfs NE (it dwarfs everyone in the NFL actually) but that doesn’t mean people don’t buy concessions.

You are just plain ole wrong.

I go to several Bill games a year. The stadium is 80% filled with season ticket holders. $20 to park for them. But hey, 17,000 cars according to you and 72,000 fans, with absolutely no public transit to speak of (another thing that downtown has and which the Sabres take advantage of all the time), and we're talking about 4.25 people packed into every car!

 

[upstater1]

Uh what does this have to do with anything?

Or are you just trying to deflect from the fact that you didn’t know the Perry projects were literally right next to the casino?

It has everything to do with everything. Because now we get to see the real feasibility study. Costs. Footprint etc. And as for the last part, you got it wrong again. They are down the street, as I wrote above. Not to mention all the industrial land next to the casino and below it.

Something else you don't seem to be aware of. The Bills want a 60,000 seat stadium down from 72,000, so the footprint will be smaller regardless. But the city also has a subway and can deliver 5,000 people downtown in that fashion, and it also has restaurants all around so people don't have to tailgate if they don't want to. The space is there.

And we will see the true costs and benefits over the coming week now that the state lost the lawsuit.

 

[GreenCow]

It has everything to do with everything. Because now we get to see the real feasibility study. Costs. Footprint etc. And as for the last part, you got it wrong again. They are down the street, as I wrote above. Not to mention all the industrial land next to the casino and below it.

Something else you don't seem to be aware of. The Bills want a 60,000 seat stadium down from 72,000, so the footprint will be smaller regardless. But the city also has a subway and can deliver 5,000 people downtown in that fashion, and it also has restaurants all around so people don't have to tailgate if they don't want to. The space is there.

And we will see the true costs and benefits over the coming week now that the state lost the lawsuit.

Do you know WHY they want a 60k stadium? Because they’re building a hotel and other amenities next to the stadium so they need more room (and therefore less parking space).

It’s like talking to someone who has no idea what they’re saying.

The feasibility costs have been out for a while. Released over a month ago. It’s over a quarter billion more to go downtown AND It wouldn’t all fit in one parcel.

 

[GreenCow]

I go to several Bill games a year. The stadium is 80% filled with season ticket holders. $20 to park for them.

Wrong.

We pay $220 for the season. Now unless you’re going to try to gimmick us into thinking preseason counts, that works out to nearly $30 per game for parking. Again, not $20. Even if you counted preseason, it’s not $20.

But hey, 17,000 cars according to you and 72,000 fans, with absolutely no public transit to speak of (another thing that downtown has and which the Sabres take advantage of all the time), and we're talking about 4.25 people packed into every car!

We average 69,000 in the stadium.

69,000 / 17,000 vehicles = 4 people per vehicle.

You’re also forgetting the people who live within half a mile and walk to the stadium. The stadium is in a residential area.

 

[upstater1]

Do you know WHY they want a 60k stadium? Because they’re building a hotel and other amenities next to the stadium so they need more room (and therefore less parking space).

It’s like talking to someone who has no idea what they’re saying.

The feasibility costs have been out for a while. Released over a month ago. It’s over a quarter billion more to go downtown AND It wouldn’t all fit in one parcel.

???

Sigh.

Guess why they need hotel room?

BECAUSE it's a wasteland down there.

Buffalo has them

The feasibility studies revealed in public were commissioned by the Buffalo Bills. With the clear intent of showing how public money should be spent to the Pegulas benefit.

The ones being kept a secret all this time were commissioned by the state and county.

They refused to release those studies.

Until yesterday, When they lost the lawsuit.

 

[upstater1]

Wrong.

We pay $220 for the season. Now unless you’re going to try to gimmick us into thinking preseason counts, that works out to nearly $30 per game for parking. Again, not $20. Even if you counted preseason, it’s not $20.



We average 69,000 in the stadium.

69,000 / 17,000 vehicles = 4 people per vehicle.

You’re also forgetting the people who live within half a mile and walk to the stadium. The stadium is in a residential area.

$22! I was 2 off. Forgive me!!!!

Are you serious with people walking to the stadium from their homes? LOL. Ok, they get 100 fans walking there. LOL.

 

[GreenCow]

$22! I was 2 off. Forgive me!!!!

Are you serious with people walking to the stadium from their homes? LOL. Ok, they get 100 fans walking there. LOL.

I can’t tell if you’re messing with me, or truly are this ignorant.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm convinced you never been to a Bills game. Every post shows it.

First off, I already said people pay for parking. I said most pay $10 parking offsite instead of the $20 they charge at the lot.

Newsflash: 10k cars in a stadium lot is not going to be enough to bring 72k fans into the stadium.

You're really thinking of New England prices where it costs $30-$60.

And by the way, if you're talking about people driving together to the game, it's even less when you split the cost. You don't add the full cost of parking to everyone in their seats.

As for food, the Bills tailgating experience absolutely dwarfs anything happening in New England. It is a night and day difference, two entirely different things. People are there several hours before the game drinking and eating, even tailgating in people's yards.

I've been to games where we showed up at 9 am and the new owner of the home was like, WTF, what are you doing on my lawn??!?! And we were like oh sorry, we didn't know John had moved. We park here every year. And then after some shrimp and a beer, we let the guy know about all the previous owners of his home!!

Anyway, the point is, I go to several games every year (when the Patriots aren't playing alongside them), I sit at the 50 yard line 10 rows up with friends who have had tickets in their family since the 1960s, so I know the drill. Occasionally, the people around us will brave the way too small concourse where you can't even get by to grab a beer for $10, but mostly, it's people who are already severely liquored up. Food? From a Bills concessionaire???! ROFL! Where do you think you are, Foxboro?

You are saying they sit down $75 when the average ticket price is $100 and now arguing that because parking isnt too expensive now. Yet it’s clearly you who haven’t gone to a game because you claim parking is $20 when it’s $35 in adva nice and 40 on game day. Everything you say fails validation

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Your anecdotal bs about concession stands is as phony as everything else you say.
Here is a nice video of the bills concession operations. Sure no one buys the food, that’s why they make so much of it. Hahaha.

New Era Field Rolls Out Fresh New Menu Items

(716) Food and Sport to serve up Buffalo favorites at concession stands on game day.

www.buffalobills.com

First rule of holes, my friend.

 

[upstater1]

You are saying they sit down $75 when the average ticket price is $100 and now arguing that because parking isnt too expensive now. Yet it’s clearly you who haven’t gone to a game because you claim parking is $20 when it’s $35 in adva nice and 40 on game day. Everything you say fails validation

Highmark Stadium Parking [Full Guide to Buffalo Bills Parking]

Discover all Highmark Stadium parking options, rates, and alternatives! Learn a few Buffalo Bills parking tips and have a hassle-free day!

parkingaccess.com

Your anecdotal bs about concession stands is as phony as everything else you say.
Here is a nice video of the bills concession operations. Sure no one buys the food, that’s why they make so much of it. Hahaha.

New Era Field Rolls Out Fresh New Menu Items

(716) Food and Sport to serve up Buffalo favorites at concession stands on game day.

www.buffalobills.com

First rule of holes, my friend.

Sigh man, I go to 4 or 5 games a year and sit at the 5 yard line 10 rows up behind the Bills bench.

It's $22, because 80% of the ticket holders are season ticket people. Everyone else parks off site for $10.

Everyone is well aware the Bills concourses are teeny so the vast majority of people don't bother. It's a zoo.

You don't know what you are talking about

Ad here's one good clue that you're entirely clueless: that company 716 that is making the food in the video you posted??! They went out of business!!! They don't even exist anymore. Such a success from all the drunken Bills fan buying up that Buffalo Mac&Cheese!!!

 

[upstater1]

I can’t tell if you’re messing with me, or truly are this ignorant.

This is deranged in the extreme. You're counting people walking from their homes in Orchard Park.

Here's the overview: Highmark Stadium · 1 Bills Dr, Orchard Park, NY 14127

How many homes do you see?

I mean, I said yeah, OK, a couple hundred walk from their homes. I allowed that.

In the scheme of things, it's meaningless and preposterous

In fact, Orchard Park is very like Foxboro.

You Foxboro people will have to tell me how many fans the Patriots get when Foxboro people walk from their homes. I'm sure they do walk, but not that many to make this anything but meaningless.