OT: Marvin Harrison involved in shooting investigation

[NE39]

The story is becoming clearer, with this article having most of the details.

This much seems to be true:

- The guy had a beef with Harrison after getting kicked out of his bar
- They argued and fought the day of the shooting
- There was a shooting, and the guy was shot in the hand and a kid suffered a cut under his eye from broken glass
- The guy refuses to say who shot him. He initially claimed he was shot while driving on the highway, but eventually admitted to getting shot in North Philly
- The cops interviewed Harrison for several hours, and he voluntarily turned over the Belgian gun (which shoots armor-piercing rounds) to the police. This is the weapon that fired the shots, and Harrison owns it
- Harrison denies being the shooter
- There are no witnesses who identify the shooter

Those seem to be the facts. It is a strange situation and Harrison would appear complicit in some way, although it is hard to say exactly what happened. The police seems stuck, since they have no witnesses who will say what happened (including the guy shot in the hand).

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

Wow, he had an FN5.7? That's an exotic gun, curious at best as the 5.7 is essentially considered an armor piercing round, small caliber, almost impossible to get without doing your own loading of used casings (surprised he didn't pick them up at the scene )...I speculated old 10mm, this is even more exotic/odd and certainly more rare here stateside from what I understand. While not relevant to the point at hand, this does inject a bit of a strangeness to this...if I had a gun that exotic, I sure as hell wouldn't a. lend it to someone else and b. wouldn't use it as a personal defense weapon unless I thought the dude had body armor on since it is very rare and easily identifiable...

The story is becoming clearer, with this article having most of the details.

This much seems to be true:

- The guy had a beef with Harrison after getting kicked out of his bar
- They argued and fought the day of the shooting
- There was a shooting, and the guy was shot in the hand and a kid suffered a cut under his eye from broken glass
- The guy refuses to say who shot him. He initially claimed he was shot while driving on the highway, but eventually admitted to getting shot in North Philly
- The cops interviewed Harrison for several hours, and he voluntarily turned over the Belgian gun (which shoots armor-piercing rounds) to the police. This is the weapon that fired the shots, and Harrison owns it
- Harrison denies being the shooter
- There are no witnesses who identify the shooter

Those seem to be the facts. It is a strange situation and Harrison would appear complicit in some way, although it is hard to say exactly what happened. The police seems stuck, since they have no witnesses who will say what happened (including the guy shot in the hand).

 

[SavioKid]

I don't disagree with you overall on plausibility, but I do want to address some of your objections...The "reports" I read addressed shell casings, not bullets, and the use of the term "ballistics" was probably the more erroneous part of the report than the logistics of what was found and matched to the gun. My guess would be an odd sized 10mm round (maybe the original 10mm not the S&W .40 we now refer to as 10mm), not entirely uncommon for FN (a Belgian gunmaker) even though it is fairly rarely used for a variety of reasons


There were a couple different wordings and ways this was talked about - one just said that Marvin was asked if he owned such a gun and said yes. My guess is he owned a comparable gun, and that the bucket part is erroneous, not the ownership part as this seems to be a common theme. Again, pure speculation.

If the guy came into his bar, how does his money, education, or "hood connection" enter into it - it sounds more like the guy was coming after him than vice versa. Again, not saying he did or didn't do anything, but the reports that are out would at least indicate he was only the aggressor in that he walked out of the bar after the guy after an argument.


With all that said, I agree with you, but not necessarily for these reasons, just because to this point, reading the different reports about it, this just smacks of sensational journalism, but I didn't necessarily think your points were the reasons the story didn't sound particularly credible as they could all be easily explained regardless of whether or not he was or was not involved.

Where this all happened was in one of the worst hoods of Philly that has burnt out homes / crack ens / etc. all near there. Shootings happen A LOT there and no regular / good bidding citizen ever comes forward in these hoods nor will the criminals come 'straight up' with their stories either. They want to get revenge in their own way or the criminals fear getting put away for some other outstanding warrants or whatever else.

With that background what do you think happened? I think definitely some gangsta wannabe hood tried to start trouble with Harrison as people were saying for some stupid reason. However, after Harrison got the best of him in probable self-defense he did pursue him and most likely with his Belgian special. You got to know the hood where it happened, sh*t is mostly resolved with a gun in the end making this more believable that both guys (Harrison & the initial aggressor) fired shots. Harrison knows he own bars/car wash in a filthy ghetto hood in that know one is going to goto the police on most stuff.

Pure speculationon my part: Harrison could make better money with legitimate bars / car washes in better middle class & upper neighborhoods (or at least a bar in a thriving nightlife district) so why does he own in one of the worst hoods in one of the worst cities? Wouldn't surprise me if he's making 'illegal money$' somehow from these businesses, that's how most of the places around there operate.

Look wehre it happened

 

[blackglass3]

Where this all happened was in one of the worst hoods of Philly that has burnt out homes / crack ens / etc. all near there. Shootings happen A LOT there and no regular / good bidding citizen ever comes forward in these hoods nor will the criminals come 'straight up' with their stories either. They want to get revenge in their own way or the criminals fear getting put away for some other outstanding warrants or whatever else.

With that background what do you think happened? I think definitely some gangsta wannabe hood tried to start trouble with Harrison as people were saying for some stupid reason. However, after Harrison got the best of him in probable self-defense he did pursue him and most likely with his Belgian special. You got to know the hood where it happened, sh*t is mostly resolved with a gun in the end making this more believable that both guys (Harrison & the initial aggressor) fired shots. Harrison knows he own bars/car wash in a filthy ghetto hood in that know one is going to goto the police on most stuff.

Pure speculationon my part: Harrison could make better money with legitimate bars / car washes in better middle class & upper neighborhoods (or at least a bar in a thriving nightlife district) so why does he own in one of the worst hoods in one of the worst cities? Wouldn't surprise me if he's making 'illegal money$' somehow from these businesses, that's how most of the places around there operate.

Look wehre it happened

Just playing devils advocate, but he could be trying to resurrect or help the community by putting his money into it. Best intentions blah blah blah.

 

[workhorse]

The story is becoming clearer, with this article having most of the details.

This much seems to be true:

- The guy had a beef with Harrison after getting kicked out of his bar
- They argued and fought the day of the shooting
- There was a shooting, and the guy was shot in the hand and a kid suffered a cut under his eye from broken glass
- The guy refuses to say who shot him. He initially claimed he was shot while driving on the highway, but eventually admitted to getting shot in North Philly
- The cops interviewed Harrison for several hours, and he voluntarily turned over the Belgian gun (which shoots armor-piercing rounds) to the police. This is the weapon that fired the shots, and Harrison owns it
- Harrison denies being the shooter
- There are no witnesses who identify the shooter

Those seem to be the facts. It is a strange situation and Harrison would appear complicit in some way, although it is hard to say exactly what happened. The police seems stuck, since they have no witnesses who will say what happened (including the guy shot in the hand).

Also the gun wasn't found in a bucket at the car wash, Harrison turned in over to police.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Also the gun wasn't found in a bucket at the car wash, Harrison turned in over to police.

That's actually even MORE damning imo. If it was at the car wash he could at least use the "I don't know who fired it, or how they got it" excuse. Now he has to explain how the gun went from leaving his possession, shooting someone, and getting back into his possession without him knowing. Doesn't look good if that is the case.

 

[Keegs]

Marvin is very classy.

I wonder what Saint Dungy has to say about this.

Tis a sad, sad, day in the NFL.

 

[castlelong1]

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#1 No way they have a ballastics match on a type of weapon, used, and no way it happens in a few days. Every single gun puts different marks on a bullet as it is fired (the barrell has clockwise grooves in it that spin the bullet and these grooves leave marks on the bullets) HOWEVER, if you dig a bullet out of concrete or wherever they found it, it is going to be mashed up, and yes, they can tell from the size of the bullet what type of gun was used, no way forensics makes it out to come from a specially made Belgiun gun in a few days.

#2 Belgium gun found at Harrison's car wash. If I'm Marvin, I only hope that the Police went to my car wash, looked into a bucket and then discovered my gun. Where was there search warrant? They didn't have one, if this were true, the police would have just admitted that they conducted an illegal search, and everything they found would be deemed inadmissible.

#3 If you have millions of dollars (and a Syracuse education) wouldn't you pay someone from the hood to take care of this for you?

None of this story sounds probable, if he really did fire his gun at this guy, it would take weeks and a search warrant to come up with the conclusions in this story.

Point #1 Supposedly it happened Tuesday. I'm not gun expert but what if this gun is weird and fire .358 caliber ammo or something?

Point #2 Wrong. It would be inadmissible in a court. We don't use those antiquated things any more. Trial by media is the new rage. Get with it pops.

Seriously what if an employee at the car wash said, "I saw him put the gun in that bucket." What if he waived his right to privacy? Don't the cops always say, "Mind if we look around?" (on Law and Order the answer is always, "If you show me your warrant." What if Marvin said "yes.")

Point #3 Because you went to Syracuse does not mean you have a brain. (Heck, I bet your classes were tougher than his. C'mon, PacMan and Vick went to college too, they aren't know for smarts.)

 

[Disco Volante]

Guys be easy, he does charity work.

 

[Jilla]

"I didn't shoot nobody, they just used my gun" = "Them weren't my dogs, I just owns the house".

 

[slash83]

Thats for sure, he would be screwed...wow I just realized you live where my son was born, he turns 8 this year, I don't get to see him alot, with me living in Indiana, and him in Turlock...

Thats cool leme know if your coming out hear, buy you a beer...

 

[jmt57]

After a short perusal on some other sites, I find it amusing that so many people are taking the "innocent till proven guilty, let's let the facts play out" stance while I can go to other threads on those very same sites and find people still screaming for a public hanging due to rumors of Matt Walsh taping the Rams walk through before the Super Bowl.

Seems like the previous perception of someone directly correlates to the rush to judgement. Marvin Harrison has a positive public image, and he's afforded a let's wait and see attitude. Somebody decides they don't like BB and the Patriots (or Duke lacrosse players, or Randy Moss), then they pronounce them guilty and in need of being punished as severely as possible with any accusation.

Also ironic to see some Colts fans complaining on their board about the media sensationalizing a story and favoring ratings over accuracy, fairness and impartiality.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

People should not be all upset that he has so many guns.

Remember,

"Guns don't shoot people, Indiana Pacers and Indianapolis Colts shoot people"

 

[Zeke_Mowatt]

Also ironic to see some Colts fans complaining on their board about the media sensationalizing a story and favoring ratings over accuracy, fairness and impartiality.

Ah, poetic justice is sweet like honey soaked sugar cane brownies! :rocker:

 

[DarrylS]

How about, "marvinshootinggate"... lets sensationalize it even more, after the events of our first game time to share the wealth... let the rest of the NFL feel the angst we have all felt since that time.

 

[SavioKid]

Guys be easy, he does charity work.

this was awesome! Adding it to my collection! Of course I like the movie 'promo' earlier in this thread with Peyton in a pimp / mobsta suit!...Ah, good times & finally some bad publicity goes to another team = our hated Colts.

 

[IcyPatriot]

How about, "marvinshootinggate"... lets sensationalize it even more, after the events of our first game time to share the wealth... let the rest of the NFL feel the angst we have all felt since that time.

This thread was way overkill with little facts ... if Harrison were a rookie perhaps the mystery was warranted. Harrison has proven himself to be a good guy .. for the most part anyways ... most of all his name isn't Manning.

 

[N.Eman]

Dungy is so fond of Marvin's on field skills. Im just glad those basterds got their taste of media Frenzy. I don't think we'll have problems kicking their ass this season. Especially on their new stadium.

 

[jmt57]

Saw this elsewhere, so I can't take credit for it, but thought it was worth sharing.

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where Marvin spent most of his days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
Shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys
Who were up to no good
Started making trouble in the neighborhood
Got in one little fight and Goodell got mad
Said 'You're giving us bad pub, now you're suspended for a year'

 

[Keegs]

i bet Marvin taught Dominic Rhodes everything he knows.

Tis a sad day in the NFL.

It hurts