OT: Jonnu Smith hates Buffalo (Edit: BB talk)

[cmasspatsfan]

When I was a teen liquor stores in Mass closed at 11 pm Saturday and could not re-open until Monday. The law resulted in the reverse of the desired effect, as everyone overbought 'just in case' before the package stores closed on Saturday night. This was back when blue laws were still in full effect, with retail stores all closed on Sundays. In the mid-70s the legislature started finally making some concessions such as letting malls open on Sundays between thanksgiving and christmas. If you missed out and wanted beer on a Sunday your choices were a bar, drive to NH, or find a friend who had served in the armed forces to go to the naval air station in Weymouth to buy for you.

In the early eighties I recall going to Connecticut on business trips, and if you wanted beer or liquor from a store, then you had to buy it before 8:00 pm. There were lots of dry towns not far from Boston (Needham and Wellesley come to mind; I'm sure there were plenty of others) back then. I was genuinely shocked to find that a dry town was actually something happening so close to where I lived; at that time I thought dry towns were strictly a thing from podunk deep south towns, and had no idea there were dry towns in eastern Mass.

The drinking age was 18 when I turned 18 in Mass they a few months later they raised it to 21. Conn was still 18 and I live right on the border so used to take a 10 minute ride to get my beer. Funny you mention that about the Blue Laws, we used to stock up on Saturday nights for Sunday football games because they were all closed Sunday. Remember those days well. We'd watch football at a friends house all day and the night game and had chili or something slow cooking on the stove to eat after the first game. We'd be at my friends from 12 until the last game ended. Good days even though the Pats sucked those years.

 

[sb1]

Randy Moss had 500 yards receiving in 2006 because his QB sucked and he was playing behind the worst line in the NFL… but you think receivers produce in a vacuum. Learn the game.

I must have higher standards than you for calling someone a great TE. Henry is good not great. Not in my top 10.

The mods here had to build you guys your own safe space in 2020 because you couldn’t cope. Now he’s been gone for years, so complaining about Bill and his players is all you have left.

The bad man is gone, you can move on with your life.

I complain about Bill because his coaching and GM work over the last few years warrants it. Nothing more than that. "Couldn't cope"...lol.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

When I was a teen liquor stores in Mass closed at 11 pm Saturday and could not re-open until Monday. The law resulted in the reverse of the desired effect, as everyone overbought 'just in case' before the package stores closed on Saturday night. This was back when blue laws were still in full effect, with retail stores all closed on Sundays. In the mid-70s the legislature started finally making some concessions such as letting malls open on Sundays between thanksgiving and christmas. If you missed out and wanted beer on a Sunday your choices were a bar, drive to NH, or find a friend who had served in the armed forces to go to the naval air station in Weymouth to buy for you.

I totally forgot about going across the border with a certain family member on the weekends on occasion. Packeys still closed Sundays in MA anyone know? Friend wants to know.

 

[jmt57]

I totally forgot about going across the border with a certain family member on the weekends on occasion. Packeys still closed Sundays in MA anyone know? Friend wants to know.

You can buy on Sundays, that's been in effect since the 80s.

However, Massachusetts still has a ban on any happy hour specials, something I occasionally let co-workers in Florida know, just so I can watch them lose their minds in complete denial and disbelief.

Why we're so weird about alcohol in Massachusetts (Hint: It's not really the Puritans' fault)

The Puritans established these laws to make sure you went to church, but these days limitations on Sunday activities have to do with workers’ rights to rest.

www.wbur.org

 

[rkarp1]

Jonnu is an HBack more than a TE, he has rushing plays in his toolbox. He’s more Kyle Juszczyk than TE.

He came to NE and had an offensive coordinator in McDaniels who didn’t want a HBack or two TE sets. Josh wanted a traditional FB who lined up exclusively in the backfield. The first free agent he signed as Raider’s coach was Jakob Johnson.

Take that, add a terrible QB into the mix, a great TE1 in Hunter Henry and Jonnu had no role here. He thrived in Atlanta showing he wasn’t the problem.

Henry and Jonnu played for the same OC, with the same QB, behind the same OL.
They each got lots of snaps. Henry produced. Jonnu did not.
there were whispers that Jonnu struggled understanding the offense. imo, thats on the coaches. simplify a package to take advantage of what Jonnu could do on the field. The Pats offensive staff was never able to unlock that potential

 

[Wozzy]

Henry and Jonnu played for the same OC, with the same QB, behind the same OL.
They each got lots of snaps. Henry produced. Jonnu did not.
there were whispers that Jonnu struggled understanding the offense. imo, thats on the coaches. simplify a package to take advantage of what Jonnu could do on the field. The Pats offensive staff was never able to unlock that potential

Was effective, signed a big F/A deal wasn’t effective, left and was effective again. It’s wasn’t a Jonnu problem.

You had a coordinator who balked at the two TE offense, bad QB play, one really good TE already on the roster and the Pats ranked 25th in pass attempts.

The collaboration and McDaniels butted heads philosophically before he left. The Pats just drafted a Jonnu like player in Jaheim Bell, they obviously want to be the 49ers.

West coast and Ernhardt Perkins don’t mix, especially when you’ve got two factions of coaches teaching different concepts and personnel guys drafting for two systems… infighting. You can’t win that way, the last few years of collaboration is proof of that.

 

[rkarp1]

Was effective, signed a big F/A deal wasn’t effective, left and was effective again. It’s wasn’t a Jonnu problem.

You had a coordinator who balked at the two TE offense, bad QB play, one really good TE already on the roster and the Pats ranked 25th in pass attempts.

The collaboration and McDaniels butted heads philosophically before he left. The Pats just drafted a Jonnu like player in Jaheim Bell, they obviously want to be the 49ers.

West coast and Ernhardt Perkins don’t mix, especially when you’ve got two factions of coaches teaching different concepts and personnel guys drafting for two systems… infighting. You can’t win that way, the last few years of collaboration is proof of that.

Henry performed and Jonnu did not, both playing the same offense.
they both saw a lot of snaps
Jonnu was simply a bad fit here, if Henry was also here
you can't blame bad QB play, OC or OL if one TE performed and the other did not
they were never on the field together. Jonnu had his opportunities, he and the offensive staff could never get him going

 

[Wozzy]

Henry performed and Jonnu did not, both playing the same offense.
they both saw a lot of snaps
Jonnu was simply a bad fit here, if Henry was also here

Josh didn’t want to run that offense. It’s hard for you to admit multiple coaches clashed with collaboration.

you can't blame bad QB play, OC or OL if one TE performed and the other did not
they were never on the field together. Jonnu had his opportunities, he and the offensive staff could never get him going

Jonnu was 6th in targets, Henry 2nd, on an offense ranked 25th in fewest pass attempts. The coaches didn’t trust Mac to pass more. Pretty simple.

They were on the field together, that’s flat out wrong. Josh wanted a traditional FB. That’s why the two TE (Gronk/Hernandez) thing happened after he left and it ended and we got the FB back (James Develin) when Josh returned as OC

 

[rkarp1]

Josh didn’t want to run that offense. It’s hard for you to admit multiple coaches clashed with collaboration.

Jonnu was 6th in targets, Henry 2nd, on an offense ranked 25th fewest pass attempts. The coaches didn’t trust Mac to pass more.

They were on the field together, that’s flat out wrong. Josh wanted a traditional FB. That’s why the two TE (Gronk/Hernandez) thing happened after he left and it ended and we got the FB back (Heath Evans) when Josh returned as OC

Josh had complete control of the offense
Mac threw for 3800 yards
Jonnu played 530 snaps on offense
simply said, Henry performed, Jonnu did not
they both had the same OC. they both had the same QB.

 

[Wozzy]

Josh had complete control of the offense
Mac threw for 3800 yards
Jonnu played 530 snaps on offense
simply said, Henry performed, Jonnu did not
they both had the same OC. they both had the same QB.

Josh had complete control of play calling, his personnel was provided by the collaboration.

Mac was okay if you protected him from himself, but he folded like a cheap suit after the bye week when opponents had film on him.

The offense was really good around Mac, that’s why they beat Buffalo with him only throwing 3 passes.

But he ultimately is why they failed on the season, he couldn’t get into a shootout with Buffalo in the playoffs because he was jellyfish… he sucked. You have to be able to pass in the playoffs.

Jonnu went to Atlanta and was effective again, it wasn’t the player of the player is successful everywhere else he plays.

 

[rkarp1]

Josh had complete control of play calling, his personnel was provided by the collaboration.

Mac was okay if you protected him from himself, but he folded like a cheap suit after the bye week when opponents had film on him.

The offense was really good around Mac, that’s why they beat Buffalo with him only throwing 3 passes.

But he ultimately is why they failed on the season, he couldn’t get into a shootout with Buffalo in the playoffs because he was jellyfish… he sucked. You have to be able to pass in the playoffs.

Jonnu went to Atlanta and was effective again, it wasn’t the player of the player is successful everywhere else he plays.

Jonnu was average in Tenn
he was below average in NE
he played well in Atl with a bad QB, so your take falls on deaf ears

 

[Wozzy]

Jonnu was average in Tenn
he was below average in NE
he played well in Atl with a bad QB, so your take falls on deaf ears

Jonnu was the 2nd hottest free agent at his position in 2021 for a reason.

Kyle Juszczyk plays a similar role, doesn’t post crazy stats for the 49ers and is a perennial All Pro. Granted he does it better than Jonnu but then the 49ers offense is better than most teams.

All I get from this conversation is you not knowing what an HBack does. He was good in Tennessee and Atlanta, it wasn’t a Jonnu problem.

 

[rkarp1]

Jonnu was the 2nd hottest free agent at his position in 2021 for a reason.

Kyle Juszczyk plays a similar role, doesn’t post crazy stats for the 49ers and is a perennial All Pro. Granted he does it better than Jonnu but then the 49ers offense is better than most teams.

All I get from this conversation is you not knowing what an HBack does. He was good in Tennessee and Atlanta, it wasn’t a Jonnu problem.

he was all potential. he was never more than average in Tenn
Juszcyk has an AAV of approx. $4m.
in hindsight, given his production, that should have been Jonnu's as well

 

[Wozzy]

he was all potential. he was never more than average in Tenn
Juszcyk has an AAV of approx. $4m.
in hindsight, given his production, that should have been Jonnu's as well

Sure… the funny part of this conversation is we’re about to watch history repeat.

Mike Gesicki sucked with Mac and the collaboration, assuming health watch as he magically improves with Joe Burrow and the Bengals. But it was the players fault… laughable.

Also we’re not talking about money…

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I totally forgot about going across the border with a certain family member on the weekends on occasion. Packeys still closed Sundays in MA anyone know? Friend wants to know.

They can only sell between 10am and 8pm, I remember going to a variety store that sold beer and wine one Sunday at about 8 and grabbed a beer to being home, it was actually 8:02 and he wouldn't let me buy it.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

You can buy on Sundays, that's been in effect since the 80s.

However, Massachusetts still has a ban on any happy hour specials, something I occasionally let co-workers in Florida know, just so I can watch them lose their minds in complete denial and disbelief.

Why we're so weird about alcohol in Massachusetts (Hint: It's not really the Puritans' fault)

The Puritans established these laws to make sure you went to church, but these days limitations on Sunday activities have to do with workers’ rights to rest.

www.wbur.org

We have a friend that lets us use her condo in Florida when she's not there or not rented and we always hit the happy hours for food and drink.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Jonnu was average in Tenn

Agree. He was a poor man's Delanie Walker. I never liked his game. Hated the signing and the contract was laughable. Not a Bill like move.

Sure… the funny part of this conversation is we’re about to watch history repeat.

Mike Gesicki sucked with Mac and the collaboration, assuming health watch as he magically improves with Joe Burrow and the Bengals. But it was the players fault… laughable.

Also we’re not talking about money…

We're going to find out very soon if the real king of the griddy was a product of a bad QB and/or offense. He's got two outside WR's for defenses to worry about.

Mac was okay if you protected him from himself, but he folded like a cheap suit after the bye week when opponents had film on him.

He folded because the script was to run the ball to set up the pass. Defenses started punching NE's initial attack in the mouth and they were dead to rights after that because they have among the worst skill players at WR in the NFL.

The offense was really good around Mac, that’s why they beat Buffalo with him only throwing 3 passes.

They would've gotten blown out had there not been any wind. That was proven in the next two matchups. Buffalo was built for the air and not the ground where NE was.

But he ultimately is why they failed on the season, he couldn’t get into a shootout with Buffalo in the playoffs because he was jellyfish… he sucked. You have to be able to pass in the playoffs.

They weren't built for shootouts. Their strength was running the ball, controlling the clock and setting up high percentage passes for Mac while the defense was holding the opposition. When that doesn't work, they can't go off script and start throwing the ball. They were basically built like the Ryan/Mark Sanchez '09-'10 Jets, the Vrabel/Tannehill Titans, etc.

 

[sb1]

The offense was really good around Mac,

Which is why they looked so much better with Zappe… just kidding no they didn’t.

 

[sb1]

But he ultimately is why they failed on the season

47-17 with the opponent’s offense going TD, TD, TD, TD, TD, TD, TD, kneel down for every single one of their possessions is not on the QB. That’s entirely on the sEcOnd RaNkEd defense in the league and their genius HC who didn’t have them prepared.

 

[rkarp1]

Agree. He was a poor man's Delanie Walker. I never liked his game. Hated the signing and the contract was laughable. Not a Bill like move.

We're going to find out very soon if the real king of the griddy was a product of a bad QB and/or offense. He's got two outside WR's for defenses to worry about.

He folded because the script was to run the ball to set up the pass. Defenses started punching NE's initial attack in the mouth and they were dead to rights after that because they have among the worst skill players at WR in the NFL.

They would've gotten blown out had there not been any wind. That was proven in the next two matchups. Buffalo was built for the air and not the ground where NE was.

They weren't built for shootouts. Their strength was running the ball, controlling the clock and setting up high percentage passes for Mac while the defense was holding the opposition. When that doesn't work, they can't go off script and start throwing the ball. They were basically built like the Ryan/Mark Sanchez '09-'10 Jets, the Vrabel/Tannehill Titans, etc.

Gesicki also struggled with Miami under Mike McD his last year there. that continued here.
The team Bill put on the field was built to win 13-10 with a defensive score and 2 fg's. if they needed to have Mac win games, the offense around him was not able to help. Mac was good when he found a rhythm and made accurate passes to his targets. he needed them to make plays, not himself to make plays. his targets could not.
it is laughable to say Mac was tp blame for that Buff playoff game when the defensive never showed up. the game was over in the 1st quarter