OT: Jonnu Smith hates Buffalo (Edit: BB talk)

[sb1]

I remember all of us were excited to sign Jonnu. Disappointing it didn't work out for whatever reason.

 

[rkarp1]

I remember all of us were excited to sign Jonnu. Disappointing it didn't work out for whatever reason.

I think everyone was excited about both Henry and Jonnu
I think while Henry far out performed Jonnu, Henry too did not meet my initial expectations.
Jonnu, as far as I am concerned was a total bust here.

 

[sb1]

I think everyone was excited about both Henry and Jonnu
I think while Henry far out performed Jonnu, Henry too did not meet my initial expectations.
Jonnu, as far as I am concerned was a total bust here.

Agreed. I remember the consensus here was we wanted at least one of them and when we got both the possibilities were exciting.

 

[upstater1]

He was in 22 and 23. Point is the last 3 seasons were not on the QB or putting Jones on the bench would have made a difference. It didn't. Those teams were not well coached at all.

Having a competent QB would've made a huge difference.

You continue to wildly overrate Jones.

 

[sb1]

Having a competent QB would've made a huge difference.

You continue to wildly overrate Jones.

I'm not overrating Jones just pointing out that putting him on the bench didn't change anything and in fact they looked worse. So the offensive problems in 2023 couldn't possibly be all on Jones.

 

[sb1]

The Bills board is getting a kick out of this story lol
Sounds like their opinions of Syracuse NY aren't high either...

Dolphins TE Jonnu Smith slams Buffalo lol

Lol, this should go well https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10128067-dolphins-jonnu-smith-buffalo-is-worst-place-you-could-be-wings-aint-even-good

www.twobillsdrive.com

 

[upstater1]

I'm not overrating Jones just pointing out that putting him on the bench didn't change anything and in fact they looked worse. So the offensive problems in 2023 couldn't possibly be all on Jones.

They looked much better without him. He sucks the energy out of an offense. Guy cowered. He was really bad. Jacoby Brisset would've been a massive upgrade. When you don't have a competent QB, you don't have an offense. It's as simple as that. I would take Peterman over him.

 

[rkarp1]

They looked much better without him. He sucks the energy out of an offense. Guy cowered. He was really bad. Jacoby Brisset would've been a massive upgrade. When you don't have a competent QB, you don't have an offense. It's as simple as that. I would take Peterman over him.

I will ask you the same I ask Wozzy, but he is not capable of giving a straight, honest reply.
Did Mac look competent his rookie year? starting every game as a rookie. throwing for 3200+ yards. 22 TD's. going to the playoffs. going to the pro bowl.
yes, year 2 and year 3 he went into the ****ter. why? any blame onto MattyP? targets? OL?
sure, Mac is not blameless. but look at Trevor Lawrence his rookie season surrounded by incompetence. why is Mac any different year 2 than Lawrence year 1?

 

[TheRainMaker]

I will ask you the same I ask Wozzy, but he is not capable of giving a straight, honest reply.
Did Mac look competent his rookie year? starting every game as a rookie. throwing for 3200+ yards. 22 TD's. going to the playoffs. going to the pro bowl.
yes, year 2 and year 3 he went into the ****ter. why? any blame onto MattyP? targets? OL?
sure, Mac is not blameless. but look at Trevor Lawrence his rookie season surrounded by incompetence. why is Mac any different year 2 than Lawrence year 1?

The schedule got more difficult. Mac beat up on bad/really bad teams while being overmatched by teams .500 and above. In fact, 7 of their 10 wins in 2021 where from teams below .500.

Mac is not built to drop back and pass his way out of a deficit or shoot out.

 

[sb1]

The schedule got more difficult. Mac beat up on bad/really bad teams while being overmatched by teams .500 and above. In fact, 7 of their 10 wins in 2021 where from teams below .500.

Mac is not built to drop back and pass his way out of a deficit or shoot out.

Same problem on defense. Their run defense wasn't very good, they never seemed to get a clutch stop when they needed one and the only good offense they held in check all season might have been the Bucs game where Gronk didn't play and AB had a couple of big drops... and they lost anyway. That's it. I don't count the Bills wind game, the weather did more to stop the Bills than the Pats defense did. Most of the time they were overpowered by any elite offense or run game they faced that year.

And like I said they were one Jaguars upset over Miami away from missing the playoffs entirely. That would have been a really bad look for Bill not even getting a playoff appearance post Brady.... although knowing the outcome of that WC game maybe that would have been easier to stomach.

 

[sb1]

They looked much better without him.

Did they though?

He sucks the energy out of an offense. Guy cowered. He was really bad. Jacoby Brisset would've been a massive upgrade. When you don't have a competent QB, you don't have an offense. It's as simple as that. I would take Peterman over him.

Ehhhh dunno if I'd go that far. Lol

He wouldn't be boring though that's for sure.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Same problem on defense. Their run defense wasn't very good, they never seemed to get a clutch stop when they needed one and the only good offense they held in check all season might have been the Bucs game where Gronk didn't play and AB had a couple of big drops... and they lost anyway. That's it. I don't count the Bills wind game, the weather did more to stop the Bills than the Pats defense did. Most of the time they were overpowered by any elite offense or run game they faced that year.

And like I said they were one Jaguars upset over Miami away from missing the playoffs entirely. That would have been a really bad look for Bill not even getting a playoff appearance post Brady.... although knowing the outcome of that WC game maybe that would have been easier to stomach.

I haven't been a fan of their defense since 2019. There's a reason why posters joke on game day "how's the weather?" because that's the only way they have a chance of slowing down competent offenses. You can't keep using the excuse of the QB or the offense when the defense continually gets ***** slapped by good to elite offenses. They have one Pro Bowl player on defense which was a FA signing and yet posters think this defense is elite. Unbelievable!

I don't think Mac is a very good QB physically, but he was set up to fail in NE.

 

[upstater1]

I will ask you the same I ask Wozzy, but he is not capable of giving a straight, honest reply.
Did Mac look competent his rookie year? starting every game as a rookie. throwing for 3200+ yards. 22 TD's. going to the playoffs. going to the pro bowl.
yes, year 2 and year 3 he went into the ****ter. why? any blame onto MattyP? targets? OL?
sure, Mac is not blameless. but look at Trevor Lawrence his rookie season surrounded by incompetence. why is Mac any different year 2 than Lawrence year 1?

His first year he looked like a rookie. By the end of the year, the offense was in the dirt. They were actually more productive in year 2 than they were end of year 1. He had already started showing he was not going to make it in year 1. He was cowering from the rush, throwing lollipops, unable to stand in the pocket and move through his progressions. Many backups do well for several games in the NFL. It takes a while for opposing coaches to figure out, "This guy can't throw it to the boundaries at all. Flood the middle, he'll be a turnover machine."

This is why Belichick wanted to move on from him in the summer between year 1 and year 2 (Wickersham article).

 

[rkarp1]

His first year he looked like a rookie. By the end of the year, the offense was in the dirt. They were actually more productive in year 2 than they were end of year 1. He had already started showing he was not going to make it in year 1. He was cowering from the rush, throwing lollipops, unable to stand in the pocket and move through his progressions. Many backups do well for several games in the NFL. It takes a while for opposing coaches to figure out, "This guy can't throw it to the boundaries at all. Flood the middle, he'll be a turnover machine."

This is why Belichick wanted to move on from him in the summer between year 1 and year 2 (Wickersham article).

would you take 17 starts, 22 td's, 67% comp % and the playoffs in Maye's rookie season, and be ecstatic?

 

[upstater1]

would you take 17 starts, 22 td's, 67% comp % and the playoffs in Maye's rookie season, and be ecstatic?

I want a QB who will be competent for this team for a long time. If Maye throws 18 TDs in his first 10 games, then 4 in his next 7 and a bunch of INTs, and turtles every time a defender breathes on him, I will be very depressed. I will not be ecstatic. And going into the next season, I will hope he does a complete 180 and shows the growth future starters are capable of.

Put it this way: Sam Howell threw 22 TDs in his first 17 games as well. He's not a starting QB in this league either even though he's got a lot more guts than Mac Jones.

 

[Wozzy]

I will ask you the same I ask Wozzy, but he is not capable of giving a straight, honest reply.
Did Mac look competent his rookie year? starting every game as a rookie. throwing for 3200+ yards. 22 TD's. going to the playoffs. going to the pro bowl.
yes, year 2 and year 3 he went into the ****ter. why? any blame onto MattyP? targets? OL?
sure, Mac is not blameless. but look at Trevor Lawrence his rookie season surrounded by incompetence. why is Mac any different year 2 than Lawrence year 1?

I gave you a straight honest answer... you just can't handle the truth.

Mac fell off a cliff after the week 13 bye his rookie year, he folded like a cheap futon.

He turned the ball over 8 times in five games, completed 59% of his passes at 6 yards per clip... abominable. And that's who he was for the next two years, the same crappy player. Three games into year two and he led the entire NFL in interceptions.

You pretending like the last quarter of his rookie season didn't happen is not a straight honest assessment. Considering how much you stretch the truth and push your agenda that's not surprising though.

 

[rkarp1]

I gave you a straight honest answer... you just can't handle the truth.

Mac fell off a cliff after the week 13 bye his rookie year, he folded like a cheap futon.

He turned the ball over 8 times in five games, completed 59% of his passes at 6 yards per clip... abominable. And that's who he was for the next two years, the same crappy player. Three games into year two and he led the entire NFL in interceptions.

You pretending like the last quarter of his rookie season didn't happen is not a straight honest assessment. Considering how much you stretch the truth and push your agenda that's not surprising though.

would you take 17 starts. 67% comp %. 22 TD's. playoffs. pro bowl from Maye this season?
don't give me your usual dance
would you take those stats?

 

[sb1]

He turned the ball over 8 times in five games, completed 59% of his passes at 6 yards per clip... abominable. And that's who he was for the next two years, the same crappy player. Three games into year two and he led the entire NFL in interceptions.

Great draft pick Bill!

Also let’s take a kid who finished his rookie season struggling and do what we can to make him worse. Genius!

 

[sb1]

Sam Howell threw 22 TDs in his first 17 games as well.

I think he would still be the starter in Washington if Daniels wasn’t on the board. Howell’s problems are very different than Jones. He takes so many sacks he’s an injury waiting to happen. Not all his fault as his OL wasn’t much better than what NE had.

I would have taken Howell here though in the 4th round. No idea why Bill drafted the tiny arm smurf Zappe instead.

 

[Wozzy]

would you take 17 starts. 67% comp %. 22 TD's. playoffs. pro bowl from Maye this season?
don't give me your usual dance
would you take those stats?

I expect more from Maye than I got from Mac.

3/4’s of a decent season, managed by limiting his pass attempts and protecting him from himself, only to still have him crash to earth after week 13.

I’d much rather have a season like Dak Prescott, Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert where we know definitively after their rookie season that the Patriots have their QB of the future.