OT: Jonnu Smith hates Buffalo (Edit: BB talk)

[Wozzy]

there you go again.
Bill developed Brissett? he played 6 quarters. completed 61% of his passes and had zero TD's
Bill was cutting him at the end of August until the Colts dumped Dorsett onto the Pats.
you call that "developing". best to look in the mirror with those clown meme's ass hat

Brissett had to go or JimmyG had to go, they wouldn’t continue carrying 3 QB’s on a super bowl contender with Brady as the clear starter.

Yeah, BB drafted and developed Brissett, Jimmy, Cassel and that Tom guy… but he ruined Mac, the guy he didn’t want and had to be talked into by Jonathan and Wolf… sounds legit.

 

[Wozzy]

You're totally wrong here. I read a lot of scouting reports on Harry. The mock draft aggregator had him going earlier. Scouts were 90%+ on him. Even our board was unanimously celebrating the pick except for one regular poster (I reposted the thread here a few months ago for people to have a look). There were pages and pages of scouting reports on him in that thread. Even our draft gurus were high on him. If anything, Mac Jones had a ton more detractors than Harry.

Agreed, Harry was considered a top 5 WR prospect… the draft experts here are really good at telling us who is great five years later though.

 

[sb1]

You're totally wrong here. I read a lot of scouting reports on Harry. The mock draft aggregator had him going earlier. Scouts were 90%+ on him. Even our board was unanimously celebrating the pick except for one regular poster (I reposted the thread here a few months ago for people to have a look). There were pages and pages of scouting reports on him in that thread. Even our draft gurus were high on him. If anything, Mac Jones had a ton more detractors than Harry.

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Harry's ability to body-up opponents and win with ball skills is undeniable, but his inability to find a threatening top gear or shake loose from tight man coverage must be accounted for within his new employer's scheme.

That's a problem and it's not a minor one.

Breer: Where most teams had draft meetings with their scouts in February and April, the Patriots would have theirs with scouts in December and February. And at that early point, it’s tough to set the board, with two and a half months of information still to come. So from there on, the scouts would just be gatherers, which frustrated plenty of them, and played into the exodus in the scouting department the last few years. It also, as some saw it, led to misses like N’Keal Harry in 2019. Harry killed his 30 visit that spring and had a college coach, Todd Graham, who was close to Belichick. In that end, without more input from scouts who preferred Deebo Samuel and A.J. Brown, the coach wound up leaning on his own experience with Harry, rather than the red flags his scouts planted, and lost a golden opportunity to fill a hole on his roster.

That was my point. Bad pick not just because of the glaring red flag - he couldn't separate - but because he didn't listen to his scouts.

Mac Jones was not a bad pick when it was made. It just didn't work out here for him. Looking back I would have liked to see them try to move up for Parsons and then move back into the first or high second round if they could for Jones if he was still there.

 

[sb1]

but he ruined Mac, the guy he didn’t want and had to be talked into by Jonathan and Wolf… sounds legit.

Defend that wall!

 

[rkarp1]

Defend that wall!

#itsMacsfault

 

[Wozzy]

Defend that wall!

Multiple reporters as a source, but if they claim BB wasn’t entirely responsible for the mess we saw the last two years… ignore it entirely.

 

[sb1]

Multiple reporters as a source, but if they claim BB wasn’t entirely responsible for the mess we saw the last two years… ignore it entirely.

"Multiple reporters" like who? Who said that Bill didn't want Jones, with proof?

 

[Wozzy]

Like who? Who said that Bill didn't want Jones, with proof?

Howe, Wickersham and Wright Thompson said Jonathan and Wolf had to coerce BB into taking Jones when he wanted to wait for Mills in the 2nd round.



"According to Wickersham and Thompson, Kraft slowly picked away at Belichick’s authority within Gillette Stadium while quietly empowering newly promoted head coach Jerod Mayo and offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien. In years past, Belichick would set a vision and leave it to the staff to execute it, leading to long discussions and creative solutions. That high-level collaborative roundtable was a thing of the past. People in the personnel department privately said that it was “amateur hour” with the coaches on game days; coaches complained that those on the personnel side were incapable of implementing Belichick’s ideas. O’Brien, humbled by the inept offensive performance, was invested in finding a solution with Belichick. Mayo sometimes brought a baseball bat to meetings, swinging it around while the rest of the coaches had their heads down, projecting an attitude that he was separate from the rest, a favored son."

Bill Belichick Reportedly Felt This Way About Patriots President Jonathan Kraft

Bill Belichick and Patriots president Jonathan Kraft's relationship appears to have definitely cracked throughout the post-Brady years.

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Then we also had Mike Lombardi the day after the 2021 draft ended responded to a tweet by a fan who wrote "BB was lucky Mac Jones fell to him at 15," which Lombardi immediately scoffed at and called bullsht. He said he knew for a fact BB liked Davis Mills, was ready to take Barmore in the first round and would have taken Davis Mills in the second. If that wasn't enough proof, the GM who eventually took Mills was Nick Caesario who had been scouting Mills for the last couple years in New England. This all happened days after the draft before Mac Jones took a flaming nosedive so this isn't hindsight expertise or opinion.

So four sources... but collaboration never happened.

 

[PatsFan2]

Howe, Wickersham and Wright Thompson said Jonathan and Wolf had to coerce BB into taking Jones when he wanted to wait for Mills in the 2nd round.



"According to Wickersham and Thompson, Kraft slowly picked away at Belichick’s authority within Gillette Stadium while quietly empowering newly promoted head coach Jerod Mayo and offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien. In years past, Belichick would set a vision and leave it to the staff to execute it, leading to long discussions and creative solutions. That high-level collaborative roundtable was a thing of the past. People in the personnel department privately said that it was “amateur hour” with the coaches on game days; coaches complained that those on the personnel side were incapable of implementing Belichick’s ideas. O’Brien, humbled by the inept offensive performance, was invested in finding a solution with Belichick. Mayo sometimes brought a baseball bat to meetings, swinging it around while the rest of the coaches had their heads down, projecting an attitude that he was separate from the rest, a favored son."

Bill Belichick Reportedly Felt This Way About Patriots President Jonathan Kraft

Bill Belichick and Patriots president Jonathan Kraft's relationship appears to have definitely cracked throughout the post-Brady years.

nesn.com

Then we also had Mike Lombardi the day after the 2021 draft ended responded to a tweet by a fan who wrote "BB was lucky Mac Jones fell to him at 15," which Lombardi immediately scoffed at and called bullsht. He said he knew for a fact BB liked Davis Mills, was ready to take Barmore in the first round and would have taken Davis Mills in the second. If that wasn't enough proof, the GM who eventually took Mills was Nick Caesario who had been scouting Mills for the last couple years in New England. This all happened days after the draft before Mac Jones took a flaming nosedive so this isn't hindsight expertise or opinion.

So four sources... but collaboration never happened.

This tells me BB would have Never Drafted Drake Maye at #3 so glad he got canned when he did Phew!

 

[sb1]

Howe, Wickersham and Wright Thompson said Jonathan and Wolf had to coerce BB into taking Jones when he wanted to wait for Mills in the 2nd round.

That's not the same thing as "Bill did not want Mac Jones". And if that really happened then all the more reason why I'm glad Bill is gone. Davis Mills in the second round? Lmao.

That's weird they felt they had to convince him though. I thought Bill had no final say and the "collaboration" had all the power...huh.

"According to Wickersham and Thompson, Kraft slowly picked away at Belichick’s authority within Gillette Stadium while quietly empowering newly promoted head coach Jerod Mayo and offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien. In years past, Belichick would set a vision and leave it to the staff to execute it, leading to long discussions and creative solutions. That high-level collaborative roundtable was a thing of the past. People in the personnel department privately said that it was “amateur hour” with the coaches on game days; coaches complained that those on the personnel side were incapable of implementing Belichick’s ideas. O’Brien, humbled by the inept offensive performance, was invested in finding a solution with Belichick. Mayo sometimes brought a baseball bat to meetings, swinging it around while the rest of the coaches had their heads down, projecting an attitude that he was separate from the rest, a favored son."

Bill Belichick Reportedly Felt This Way About Patriots President Jonathan Kraft

Bill Belichick and Patriots president Jonathan Kraft's relationship appears to have definitely cracked throughout the post-Brady years.

nesn.com

Then we also had Mike Lombardi the day after the 2021 draft ended responded to a tweet by a fan who wrote "BB was lucky Mac Jones fell to him at 15," which Lombardi immediately scoffed at and called bullsht. He said he knew for a fact BB liked Davis Mills, was ready to take Barmore in the first round and would have taken Davis Mills in the second. If that wasn't enough proof, the GM who eventually took Mills was Nick Caesario who had been scouting Mills for the last couple years in New England. This all happened days after the draft before Mac Jones took a flaming nosedive so this isn't hindsight expertise or opinion.

In other words... nobody at all can collaborate the statement that "Bill did not want Mac Jones". If he didn't want Jones, he would have overridden the advice he got like he did many times before. Full stop.

Lombardi as your "source"... lmao.

So four sources... but collaboration never happened.

Defend the wall!

 

[Wozzy]

This tells me BB would have Never Drafted Drake Maye at #3 so glad he got canned when he did Phew!

I think he would have in a heartbeat, it was a no brainer.

 

[Wozzy]

That's not the same thing as "Bill did not want Mac Jones". And if that really happened then all the more reason why I'm glad Bill is gone. Davis Mills in the second round? Lmao.

That's weird they felt they had to convince him though. I thought Bill had no final say and the "collaboration" had all the power...huh.

In other words... nobody at all can collaborate the statement that "Bill did not want Mac Jones". If he didn't want Jones, he would have overridden the advice he got like he did many times before. Full stop.

Lombardi as your "source"... lmao.

Defend the wall!

Hahaha...

"Show me a source" - SB1

"Here's 4 with links" - Wozzy

"That don't mean nothing" - SB1

Laughable... this is like the time you told us the defense that allowed the 4th fewest rushing yards and was ranked #1 in the entire NFL in yards per attempt was bad at run defense. Your posts are biased bullsht.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think he would have in a heartbeat, it was a no brainer.

BB said Maye had the Worse Footwork of all the QB's. Glad we didn't have the pleasure of seeing the Special Teamer he was going to select.

 

[Wozzy]

BB said Maye had the Worse Footwork of all the QB's. Glad we didn't have the pleasure of seeing the Special Teamer he was going to select.

BB was hyper critical of every single QB he evaluated on Mcafee's show... literally all of them.

 

[sb1]

Hahaha...

"Show me a source" - SB1

"Here's 4 with links" - Wozzy

"That don't mean nothing" - SB!

Laughable... this is like the time you told us the defense that allowed the 4th fewest rushing yards and was ranked #1 in the entire NFL in yards per attempt was bad at run defense. Your posts are biased bullsht.

Except you didn't show me any source that collaborated your statement that "BB did not want Mac Jones". Just a bunch of speculation disguised as fact.

Bill drafted him. His boy. He owned it and he wore it.

 

[Wozzy]

Except you didn't show me any source that collaborated your statement that "BB did not want Mac Jones". Just a bunch of speculation disguised as fact.

Bill drafted him. His boy. He owned it and he wore it.

You're full of sht... stop chasing me around and spamming the board. Your takes are biased garbage.

 

[PatsFan2]

BB was hyper critical of every single QB he evaluated on Mcafee's show... literally all of them.

Like some of us here who was hyper critical of most of his Drafts and Egregious Reaches.

 

[Wozzy]

Like some of us here who was hyper critical of most of his Drafts and Egregious Reaches.

OMG... let the past go buddy, it's over, the bad man is gone.

And I got news for you, the guys (Jon Kraft, Wolf) who drafted Mac are still here... they got handed Maye on a silver platter.

 

[sb1]

You're full of sht... stop chasing me around and spamming the board. Your takes are biased garbage.

Davis Mills in the second round lmao. So shocked that he can't find a job as a coach anymore.

 

[sb1]

OMG... let the past go buddy, it's over, the bad man is gone.

And I got news for you, the guys (Jon Kraft, Wolf) who drafted Mac are still here... they got handed Maye on a silver platter.

When Bill drafts a good player he gets all the credit
When he doesn't... it's someone else's fault.

#DefendTheWall