OT: Jets exodus... so far, Mangold, Folk, Revis, Marshall... now Eric Decker looks to be next...

[Snake Eyes]

The Patriots also already have their version of Decker. They've got Hogan.

What the Patriots need is a legit OWR1 a/k/a high end middle-deep threat. They need to start looking for the next Brown/Welker/Edelman, too but that's a separate WR issue.

How do you think Terrelle Pryor would do?

 

[AtomicDawg]

Only thing I can think of in this situation....

 

[Wordsmyth]

#JESTSODUS

 

[PatsBoy12]

I get the sense all of these guys are happier today. I would be.

 

[Tony2046]

The more I think about it, the more I'd be surprised if Revis came back. Leaving out that I don't think Revis has any interest in working hard ever again I think his deflategate comments would make it hard.

I remember thinking Belichick would have no qualms about bringing in someone who called him a jerk because Belichick wants to win. But he also understands managing a locker room, which is something I think he absolutely does. It's part of why we rarely open up the wallet for big name outsiders - because when you've been busting your ass for this team and suddenly they give someone else more than you it can have a bad effect on the locker room.

Revis' deflategate comments might be too big of a possible issue.

Tell me you're not tempted to have the Jets pay most of his salary to play for the Pats. It would be too damn funny.

Nobody would complain about his salary because BB wouldn't be the one paying it.

 

[PatsBoy12]

The more I think about it, the more I'd be surprised if Revis came back. Leaving out that I don't think Revis has any interest in working hard ever again I think his deflategate comments would make it hard.

I remember thinking Belichick would have no qualms about bringing in someone who called him a jerk because Belichick wants to win. But he also understands managing a locker room, which is something I think he absolutely does. It's part of why we rarely open up the wallet for big name outsiders - because when you've been busting your ass for this team and suddenly they give someone else more than you it can have a bad effect on the locker room.

Revis' deflategate comments might be too big of a possible issue.

If BB thought Revis would absolutely help the team win another championship at a reasonable cost, I do not believe those comments would keep him from signing Revis. That's how fans amd media view things, not a winning coach whose sole mission in life is to keep winning and cementing his place in history.

 

[Deus Irae]

How do you think Terrelle Pryor would do?

Good height and speed, but I'm unsure of his game day heart, his consistency and his hands. BB and Brady could probably get him to excel, but he's one where I'd really have to do the homework, IMO.

 

[AtomicDawg]

If BB thought Revis would absolutely help the team win another championship at a reasonable cost, I do not believe those comments would keep him from signing Revis. That's how fans amd media view things, not a winning coach whose sole mission in life is to keep winning and cementing his place in history.

Hypothetical: if Marshall Faulk went into a time machine 15 years, but the comments that's he's made about the Pats since then were not erased, do you think BB would sign him?

Personally I do not but I'm curious what you think.

 

[The Gr8est]

Tell me you're not tempted to have the Jets pay most of his salary to play for the Pats. It would be too damn funny.

Nobody would complain about his salary because BB wouldn't be the one paying it.

The problem is he might decide to "play like a Rat" at a critical point in the season.

 

[Nehalem]

Hypothetical: if Marshall Faulk went into a time machine 15 years, but the comments that's he's made about the Pats since then were not erased, do you think BB would sign him?

Personally I do not but I'm curious what you think.

From 1999-2001 M. Faulk had over 1300 yards rushing per year @ 5.4yds/carry, and over 750 yards receiving per year.

Can you imagine him and Gronk on the field at the same time

 

[AtomicDawg]

From 1999-2001 M. Faulk had over 1300 yards rushing per year @ 5.4yds/carry, and over 750 yards receiving per year.

Can you imagine him and Gronk on the field at the same time

There is no doubt what he could do on the field...especially in his prime back then.

My point of contention is despite that, he's dug himself a hole as big as a NYC pothole as far as his comments toward the team are concerned. Revis quite possibly may have done the same thing. And this team is not naive (arguments can be made about the owner though, which I won't delve into here). They know what is said/done to them and by whom. To paraphrase a Christmas song in March, "they're making lists and checking them twice". So on-field possibilities or not, Revis took a match to the bridges he built in 2014 and pretty much imploded them with a few simple words. Oh, well.

 

[Gronkowski123]

Decker? Yes please...bomani and lebatard would go apeshit!

decker, hogan, dola, jules, gronk LOL.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Hypothetical: if Marshall Faulk went into a time machine 15 years, but the comments that's he's made about the Pats since then were not erased, do you think BB would sign him?

Personally I do not but I'm curious what you think.

That's entirely different. Faulk has repeatedly brought up the baseless accusations, specifically the crap about taping their walkthrough. Revis said something once that, if you look at it somewhat objectively, can be classified as a dig and nothing else. He didn't go into some explanation of anything specifically. Revis helped the team win a championship. Go back and watch how damn near every player and coach was hugging him when the teams met for the first time in 2015. That doesn't say to me that any of them held a grudge over what Revis said. Again, that's how fans and media think, not coaches who care only about solely about winning.

 

[carpetbagger1]

Where do the Jets stand cap wise after all this? It'll be curious to see what they do in free agency to replace hat little talent they had.

 

[AtomicDawg]

That's entirely different. Faulk has repeatedly brought up the baseless accusations, specifically the crap about taping their walkthrough. Revis said something once that, if you look at it somewhat objectively, can be classified as a dig and nothing else. He didn't go into some explanation of anything specifically. Revis helped the team win a championship. Go back and watch how damn near every player and coach was hugging him when the teams met for the first time in 2015. That doesn't say to me that any of them held a grudge over what Revis said. Again, that's how fans amd media think, not coaches who care only about solely about winning.

I don't think you have to hold a grudge against someone to not remember what they said, whether it was a dig or something else. And yeah, of course they're going to hug him because, as you said, they won a championship with his help.

But all of that still doesn't mean they don't remember or see what was said. They are quite aware in fact. Clearly we all know how they feel about Goodell. Even at the end of the SB, you heard Amendola and Edelman yelling about the comments Keyshawn Johnson made about them not making other team's 53-man roster after the game. So it isn't just fans and media who remember these things. Players and coaching staff do as well. They may not make as big a deal of it as fans and media do, but it isn't like they ignore it either.

 

[turkeyneck]

Decker, along with Demaryius Thomas, had a reputation while with the Broncos, as being soft. Is he now rehabilitated?

 

[PatsBoy12]

I don't think you have to hold a grudge against someone to not remember what they said, whether it was a dig or something else. And yeah, of course they're going to hug him because, as you said, they won a championship with his help.

But all of that still doesn't mean they don't remember or see what was said. They are quite aware in fact. Clearly we all know how they feel about Goodell. Even at the end of the SB, you heard Amendola and Edelman yelling about the comments Keyshawn Johnson made about them not making other team's 53-man roster after the game. So it isn't just fans and media who remember these things. Players and coaching staff do as well. They may not make as big a deal of it as fans and media do, but it isn't like they ignore it either.

Respect. I don't ever remember saying they were unaware or that they had forgotten. My premise, as it relates to Revis and not anyone else, is that his comment was nowhere near what others have said, including some of the names in your post and the hypothetical about Marshall Faulk. Therefore, I believe Bill would have him back in a heartbeat if he felt Revis could still meet the standard at a reasonable contract. Bill wants to win and that's all.

When you go to battle with someone, and especially win it all with that person, it becomes different kind of relationship entirely. Example, I fought a teammate in high school. Brutal. Neither of us held back. I know I damn sure didn't. I was trying to kill dude. We played together for three years before that occurred. We're adults now and we talk about it often. I never forgot what he said to make me that angry. It cut deep. But it's been long forgiven. If I had to suit up with him today, be it on the court or at his wedding, I'd do it gladly. It's not the greatest analogy, but I think it makes the point nonetheless. I don't see how you're missing what I'm saying.

Revis is not Faulk, Goodell, Johnson (who's probably still upset NE didn't want him after he professed a desire to play for them) or any other name you can find, nor is what he said on the same level. I'm sure the Patriots are well aware of what Revis said. All that **** about blocking out the noise is for the media. They hear everything. But in Revis' case, I don't think they'd forgo signing him at all if there was a chance he could still be good enough to improve the team because of a slight dig. He was the same person who called Bill a jerk. I don't think that gave Bill one second of pause about signing him in 2014. The jerk statement and the statement in 2015 are on the same level of trivial. And the suggestion that the Patriots, if they saw on film that Revis could help the team reach the summit again next season, would not sign him because of said trivial statement two full seasons ago now, is a bit ridiculous, IMO.

 

[BTTA]

The only thing I worry about is that with Woody Johnson in London and out of the picture, there might actually be a chance that they won't totally screw it up.

He'll still insist on being in the middle of it all. The only difference will be the time delay for the use of the teletype to communicate his wishes to/from London to NYC.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Respect. I don't ever remember saying they were unaware or that they had forgotten. My premise, as it relates to Revis and not anyone else, is that his comment was nowhere near what others have said, including some of the names in your post and the hypothetical about Marshall Faulk. Therefore, I believe Bill would have him back in a heartbeat if he felt Revis could still meet the standard at a reasonable contract. Bill wants to win and that's all.

When you go to battle with someone, and especially win it all with that person, it becomes different kind of relationship entirely. Example, I fought a teammate in high school. Brutal. Neither of us held back. I know I damn sure didn't. I was trying to kill dude. We played together for three years before that occurred. We're adults now and we talk about it often. I never forgot what he said to make me that angry. It cut deep. But it's been long forgiven. If I had to suit up with him today, be it on the court or at his wedding, I'd do it gladly. It's not the greatest analogy, but I think it makes the point nonetheless. I don't see how you're missing what I'm saying. Revis is not Faulk, Goodell, Johnson (who's probably still upset NE didn't want him after he professed a desire to play for them) or any other name you can find, nor is what he said on the same level. I'm sure the Patriots are well aware of what Revis said. All that **** about blocking out the noise is for the media. They hear everything. But in Revis' case, I don't think they'd forgo signing him at all if there was a chance he could still be good enough to improve the team because of a slight dog. He was the same person who called Bill a jerk. I don't think that gave Bill one second of pause about signing him in 2014. The jerk statement and the statement in 2015 are on the same level of trivial.

I know you did not say those things, but I said them to emphasise my point.

The problem is when you make a statement such as the one he made, at the time that he made them (knee deep into all the **** of Defakegate) it is not "trivial". It gives the haters and mediots more ammo to use against them. "See, he was on the team and he thinks they are cheaters". That is a huge problem.

Your on field example is absolutely valid. But not only would he not add nothing to this team now, it would seem weird to accept money from a team you despised despite reaching the pinnacle of your sport with them. It's sort of two-faced. JMHO though.

But I'll say this....if he says one more thing about all of this...I would bet the players would feel differently than they did when they "hugged" him this past season.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I know you did not say those things, but I said them to emphasise my point.

The problem is when you make a statement such as the one he made, at the time that he made them (knee deep into all the **** of Defakegate) it is not "trivial". It gives the haters and mediots more ammo to use against them. "See, he was on the team and he thinks they are cheaters". That is a huge problem.

Your on field example is absolutely valid. But not only would he not add nothing to this team now, it would seem weird to accept money from a team you despised despite reaching the pinnacle of your sport with them. It's sort of two-faced. JMHO though.

But I'll say this....if he says one more thing about all of this...I would bet the players would feel differently than they did when they "hugged" him this past season.

And you're still missing my point, but it's cool. It is what it is. I'll say one last time. I do not believe that the statement he made would prevent Bill from signing him today if the price and talent were right. Bill only wants to win and if he didn't sign Revis, assuming he can still play at a high enough level, then he would be a bigger hypocrite than Goodell himself because all he ever talks about is doing what's best for the team and improving the team. Legacy is huge to him, and it is for Tom as well to want to keep playing after already cementing himself as the greatest. You've (not you) got to be kidding me if a person thinks some monsense he said on the spot, peobably just for laughs, would give perhaps the greatest winners in the sport any apprehension about this player if he proved he could still perform. If what Revis said was so bad to them, I don't think the reception would have been so warm in 2015. For crying out loud, Patricia was gushing and laughing and being playful the whole time. TB12 had the biggest smile on his face when he spoke with him. DMac was slapping his pads and they talked for a good while before and after the game. There's a difference between cordial because he helped you win and all of that. I'm not throwing out 'If's." I'm dealing in what has happened. He hasn't said more, so I can't say what the players would do. And they don't big up on him anymore anyway because he's fully entrenched as an opponent now. And if they were going to ever be angriest, it would have been then, in the thick of it as you illustrates. But they weren't. And that's the point.

So, I'm afraid we'll sadly just have to disagree on this one, my friend. I think all of that nonsense is for fans and media, not the guys who suit up and sacrifice everything to win...well, at least in our organization anyway.