OT- If the Eagles and AJ Brown part ways, would you want him on the Pats ?

[DoubleDeluxe]

If the price is right, sure why not? Him, Diggs and whomever else would be formidable next year.

We are already formidable.
We have the 4th most passing yards as a team and the highest RTG.
We have have young guys who should only get better, as will Drake.
Improving the Oline would help the passing attack more than AJ.
I would argue he needs us more than we need him.
Not totally against it, but he would need to restructure and cost should be no more than a 3rd. If not, no thanks.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

We are already formidable.
We have the 4th most passing yards as a team and the highest RTG.
We have have young guys who should only get better, as will Drake.
Improving the Oline would help the passing attack more than AJ.
I would argue he needs us more than we need him.
Not totally against it, but he would need to restructure and cost should be no more than a 3rd. If not, no thanks.

Absolutely agree. Probably should have said "more" formidable... =)

 

[DC Patriots]

Improving the Oline would help the passing attack more than AJ

This. IMO, one of the big secrets of the dynasty and reasons some combination of BB/Josh/Dante/Kraft were able to keep a winning team around Brady so long is that they figured out that the money a big #1 X WR wanted was better spent on linemen, TE and slow but quick slot WR

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Like I said, i don’t remember him being a cancer in Tennessee and he loves Vrabel.

I don’t think he will be a cancer here.

I just remember issues surrounding him over there... and there are obviously issues with him in Philly.
Good player for sure, but I'm all set.

 

[ViperGTS]

This. IMO, one of the big secrets of the dynasty and reasons some combination of BB/Josh/Dante/Kraft were able to keep a winning team around Brady so long is that they figured out that the money a big #1 X WR wanted was better spent on linemen, TE and slow but quick slot WR

You can do both if you are smart with your money and draft picks. I would love Drake to have a Moss type for the next 10 years. The team is smart enough to not force him the ball but it would unlock Maye completely.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Moss was a different animal, and even though I Loved watching him play, I hated when TFB Forced the ball to him.
He actually made Culppepper and Gus Frerotte look like studs

 

[Wozzy]

The two are not even on the same planet, and they would play very different roles. Get rid of Pop. There is plenty of room with Hollins, Diggs, Brown, Boutte, Williams, Chiz.

Kyle Williams hasn’t shown us who he is yet, he’s just scratching the surface.

You sign AJ Brown and he immediately becomes a max snap player.

 

[Vindicate]

This. IMO, one of the big secrets of the dynasty and reasons some combination of BB/Josh/Dante/Kraft were able to keep a winning team around Brady so long is that they figured out that the money a big #1 X WR wanted was better spent on linemen, TE and slow but quick slot WR

IMO, you get the most return on an amazing TE over most of the offense except OL & QB. A complete TE who is a freak receiving threat and huge blocker is an unreal advantage. If the Pats spent any money on offense, outside the OL, I'd hope it went to a deadly TE. Run game boost, pass game boost, gameplanning boost.

I'm kinda just riffing here but I'll stand by it lol.

 

[203Pat]

I'm out. Wanted out of Tennessee because they didn't want to pay him which happens all the time so on its own not that big a deal. Then he gets traded to the Eagles who pay him and make the Super Bowl and then the next season he sits out misses the playoffs with an injury. So that offseason the Eagles pay him again they make the Super Bowl again yet he is seemingly unhappy throughout the whole season. Fast forward to this year he is a malcontent providing ominous soundbites most of the year and then sprinkle in some sideline tantrums and he is likely onto his third team in eight years.

I would assume the Eagles will require at least a 2nd round pick to get him. Then you'll have to pay him. Then you'll have to deal with him right after you pay him. Brown is just never happy. Good stats? Malcontent. Winning? Malcontent. Big contracts? Malcontent. Add that to the fact that the last two years he has barely gone over 1,000 yards. Vrabel is building a culture and a locker room that is currently vibing about as well as any team ever has and throwing a diva in the mix is not the answer.

 

[Rob0729]

This. IMO, one of the big secrets of the dynasty and reasons some combination of BB/Josh/Dante/Kraft were able to keep a winning team around Brady so long is that they figured out that the money a big #1 X WR wanted was better spent on linemen, TE and slow but quick slot WR

Different era and different QB. Brady's was not a deep ball passer and strength was to diagnose the defense and get the ball to the receivers quickly. One of Maye's greatest strengths is his accurate deep ball passing. Brady was never a great deep ball passer.

Maye would benefit more from a true #1 WR.

Besides, Brown's salary is not that big. Top WRs of Brown caliber are now getting upwards to $40 million a year. Brown's contract caps out at $32 million in 2028 when the top WRs are likely going to command upwards to $45-50 million a year. And none of his salary is guaranteed.

This is the same thing when people complained about Diggs' contract which is a value based on his production. Even next year when his cap hit is $26.5 million, it is probably not even in the top ten for WR salaries. Brown's next two years are similar to Diggs with $29 million next year and $21 million the following.

 

[italian pat patriot]

Nah...pass for me

 

[Dedhampatsfan]

I'd be ok with this if the price is right. There would be no need to sign or draft another wr in the offseason. One could also be added via UDFA.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

is he a malcontent, or does he have enough football knowledge and self awareness to know he isn't being used properly, and that the eagle offense is a mess, and wants more from his career?

some guys, WRs especially, are happy to get the $$.......Brown seems like he wants to compete, and team & culture matter to him......in that regards, seems like a pretty good fit......

comes down to cost to get him and cost to pay him..........but personally i like someone who seems to care about more than just getting paid, who wants to win, who has a little chip on their shoulder......by the time he starts to wash, williams should be developed into that viable deep guy, boutte is already seemingly ready to take that mack hollins role......give me an actual NFL level slot, and you've got a WR room

Yep. I tend to think he is the problem, but maybe it's siriani?

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Are people here REALLY COMPARING Moss to AJ Brown?
Seriously?

 

[Toofy]

Just try to draft tight ends based on certain measurables and if they pan out we got a WR1 insurance at max of 15 million $ a year .

Why waste cap space on WR1 when you can get similar output from tight end and wr2/wr3.

We got the Maye cheat code. Just get him an oline which gives him 3 seconds and we can work magic.

Please don't spend money on wide receivers. After diggs contract is done we should always roll dice with 2 rookie wide receivers , 2 veteran wide receivers ,1 slot and 2 tight end and 2 passing backs.

High contracts (20+ mill ) - QB,LT,DE, DT, CB, oline - cap to not cross 55% ( 5-7 )
Mid level contracts ( 6-12 mill) - Lb,Slot,wr,TE, RB, safety , Oline - Cap to be at 20% of cap space( 7- 10 people )
Prove it vet contracts ( 3-5 million ) - 10% of cap space (8- 10 people)

Vet minimum and rookie - remaining 15% of cap space. ( 30 )

Cap space for first category to not exceed 150 million in a year.

Very challenging to retain everyone while paying Maye, gonzo, Campbell and Milton williams . Hope we can get Maye for 55 milk and gonzo for 25 mill + bonus.

 

[n1997y]

...and if you believe what happened in TN which was Vrabes losing his **** when Robinson traded him to Philly at the behest of Strunk, he'll be welcomed with open arms here.

That may have had nothing to do with AJ and everything to do with what it said about the Head Coach’s place in the grand scheme of Titan’s decision making. If it left Vrabes with a gaping hole in his roster and no way to do anything about it he could legitimately have seen it as being set up for failure, and that’s certainly good reason for him to lose his **** over it. And don’t try arguing that by saying it left a gaping hole in the roster that’s implicitly praising AJ, it’s just saying that it left an important role with no one to fill it.

I’m not a fan of making any substantial investment in WRs this offseason. We have a good receiver corps, and too many other important needs competing for investment. I’ll trust Vrabes on it, but I’ll be surprised if it happens, and disappointed if it happens without all the other needs like ILB, Edge, OL, and CB depth being solved first. Those are higher priorities as far as I’m concerned.

 

[n1997y]

You can do both if you are smart with your money and draft picks. I would love Drake to have a Moss type for the next 10 years. The team is smart enough to not force him the ball but it would unlock ruin Maye completely.

FIFY. I think Moss ruined Brady’s tolerance for flawed receivers and that was detrimental to team performance. I think early Brady was better, when his favorite receiver was whoever was open. Later Brady wouldn’t even give receivers a chance if they didn’t get his liking in practice. I wouldn’t want to see Maye turn into that guy who would only throw to his favorites.

 

[n1997y]

I'd be ok with this if the price is right. There would be no need to sign or draft another wr in the offseason. One could also be added via UDFA.

Drafting a WR is a better value than signing one in FA or trading for one. Drafting means you get four years, maybe even five, at the lowest cost possible. Anything else costs you more.

 

[n1997y]

Yep. I tend to think he is the problem, but maybe it's siriani?

Could it be both? Those possibilities are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes, I'd take him but not for a prime pick.

He's getting up there in years. 29 yrs old next year, his 8th season, he has gained 8,000 yards. This is not a player you give up a 1st rounder for. I'd give a second, but then there's also the salary.

I think he could be gotten for less than that.. I think a 4th round pick would suffice and Vrabel could throw in some 6th and 7ths... it just makes so much sense to get him and add him to the strong wr room we have now.. it's pretty much inconceivable he is traded.