OT: Did the Bucs SB loss Break Patrick Mahomes?

[Bruins29]

But it’s worth the time to say it’s not worth the time.

And there’s that religiosity I’m talking about. Can’t have a nuanced take. Either slobber on the man or you’re a hater.

Nope. That's kind of a strawman. You can hate his guts if you want. but moving goalposts and tap dancing around facts in order to diminish his on-field accomplishments is disingenuous.

 

[Bruins29]

I do not see what you are talking about in the least.
Please clarify. In what ways was Montana superior to Brady.

Zero. Brady is head and shoulders over Montana. To those who can be objective anyway.

 

[Ring 6]

Zero. Brady is head and shoulders over Montana. To those who can be objective anyway.

Thanks for confirming I didn’t wake up in an alternative reality this morning

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I do not see what you are talking about in the least.
Please clarify. In what ways was Montana superior to Brady.

I didn’t say Montana was better than Brady. I said if I am starting a franchise, I’d take Brady over anyone. He’s the most accomplished QB in NFL history. If I need a QB to win me a super bowl tomorrow, I’m flipping a coin between Brady and Montana.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn’t say Montana was better than Brady. I said if I am starting a franchise, I’d take Brady over anyone. He’s the most accomplished QB in NFL history. If I need a QB to win me a super bowl tomorrow, I’m flipping a coin between Brady and Montana.

You said he is coGOAT.
If he is equally the Greatest of All Time and Brady has accomplished soooooo much more (and “most accomplished” is a load of crap anyway because you are your accomplishments) then there have to be other ways Montana is better to make it a tie.

 

[Bruins29]

I didn’t say Montana was better than Brady. I said if I am starting a franchise, I’d take Brady over anyone. He’s the most accomplished QB in NFL history. If I need a QB to win me a super bowl tomorrow, I’m flipping a coin between Brady and Montana.

You did say that they were "co-goats" though. So you are making a claim that JM is = to TB in terms of Greatest.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You said he is coGOAT.
If he is equally the Greatest of All Time and Brady has accomplished soooooo much more (and “most accomplished” is a load of crap anyway because you are your accomplishments) then there have to be other ways Montana is better to make it a tie.

So you admit I said "co-Goat" and then you accuse me of saying Montana is better than Brady, which I never did. What part of "co" do you not understand? In their primes, I think Montana and Brady are the same ability-wise on the field, which is why I said it's a coin flip between him and Brady to win me a super bowl tomorrow.

You did say that they were "co-goats" though. So you are making a claim that JM is = to TB in terms of Greatest.

On the field, they are about the same. Both are clutch when it counts the most, accurate, and have excellent decision-making - the very best I've seen. That is what I am talking about. I'm not talking about who is more accomplished.

 

[Ring 6]

So you admit I said "co-Goat" and then you accuse me of saying Montana is better than Brady, which I never did. What part of "co" do you not understand? In their primes, I think Montana and Brady are the same ability-wise on the field, which is why I said it's a coin flip between him and Brady to win me a super bowl tomorrow.



On the field, they are about the same. Both are clutch when it counts the most, accurate, and have excellent decision-making - the very best I've seen. That is what I am talking about. I'm not talking about accomplishments.

If they are coGOAT and every single possible data point says Brady is better, then Montana has to have ASPECTS he is better at in order to be equal overall. What are they?
And you know that’s what I said.

So what you are saying is that what you do on the football field doesn’t matter, it’s just what you think? So I could argue Ryan Leaf is better than both because accomplishments, and data points are irrelevant? Winning doesn’t matter?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If they are coGOAT and every single possible data point says Brady is better, then Montana has to have ASPECTS he is better at in order to be equal overall. What are they?
And you know that’s what I said.

So what you are saying is that what you do on the football field doesn’t matter, it’s just what you think? So I could argue Ryan Leaf is better than both because accomplishments, and data points are irrelevant? Winning doesn’t matter?

Of course every data point is going to favor Brady - but this points to the fact that Brady's accomplishments are better than Montana's, something I am not disputing.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm one skeptical of Alex G and think of him as a fraud but I admit that some portion of what TFB did to extend his health may well merit outside accepted medicine. This is how science sometimes progresses, if it is not censored.
The big problem is separating what really helped vs the voodoo.

I think Guerrero had it completely right in flexibility/ pliability, but I don’t think the nutrition aspect was nearly as important. Not that it was bad for anyone, just that it wasn’t as important to Brady’s success.

 

[Bruins29]

So you admit I said "co-Goat" and then you accuse me of saying Montana is better than Brady, which I never did. What part of "co" do you not understand? In their primes, I think Montana and Brady are the same ability-wise on the field, which is why I said it's a coin flip between him and Brady to win me a super bowl tomorrow.



On the field, they are about the same. Both are clutch when it counts the most, accurate, and have excellent decision-making - the very best I've seen. That is what I am talking about. I'm not talking about who is more accomplished.

So if a new QB comes into the league and is the most accurate ever and clutch and makes the best Decision making ever seen for 1 season then he is also a co-goat

Ok. Just trying to see what the parameters are

 

[Ring 6]

Of course every data point is going to favor Brady - but this points to the fact that Brady's accomplishments are better than Montana's, something I am not disputing.

So how is the Greatest of All Time not the one who played the greatest and had the best results?
Let’s put it another way.
You can transport in time and choose to be the owner of any team. Do you go to 1981 and start with Montana or 2000 and start with Brady? Which will make you the greatest of all time owner?

 

[Ring 6]

So if a new QB comes into the league and is the most accurate ever and clutch and makes the best Decision making ever seen for 1 season then he is also a co-goat

Ok. Just trying to see what the parameters are

Well he could be sitting on the bench and you just believe that because accomplishments including how you actually played on the field evidently don’t matter.

 

[VectorPrime]

Brady in 19 stopped giving a damn midway through the season.

Alright, you’ve had an account here for all of half a damn year what’s your trolling agenda here?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So how is the Greatest of All Time not the one who played the greatest and had the best results?

You know as well as I do that comparing stats across eras is futile.

 

[Bruins29]

You know as well as I do that comparing stats across eras is futile.

3 questions

1. Tell me why that is ?
2. Why do their stats matter if wins and Lombardi’s are all that matter anyway ?
3. How are clutchness and decision making and accuracy measured?

 

[Ring 6]

Tom Brady won 108% more regular season games than Joe Montana (243-117).
If Tom Brady came out of retirement he would have to lose 25 consecutive to only have a slightly higher winning percentage than Montana.
Had Montana continued playing he would have had to win
43 consecutive games to almost equal Brady’s winning percentage.

In the post season Brady won 35 playoff games, Montana 16. Brady started playoff games in 19 of 22 seasons, winning 1.84 gsmes per playoff season, getting to the SB more than 50% of those times and winning it 7/19.
Montana started playoff games in 11 seasons, winning 1.45 games per playoff season, getting to the SB 36% of those season and winning 4/11.

Brady 35-12 Montana 16-7

There is not a number in this post that favors Montana or us a tie.

The claim of coGOATS is ludicrous.

 

[Ring 6]

You know as well as I do that comparing stats across eras is futile.

Then don’t. Compare results.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Tom Brady won 108% more regular season games than Joe Montana (243-117).
If Tom Brady came out of retirement he would have to lose 25 consecutive to only have a slightly higher winning percentage than Montana.
Had Montana continued playing he would have had to win
43 consecutive games to almost equal Brady’s winning percentage.

In the post season Brady won 35 playoff games, Montana 16. Brady started playoff games in 19 of 22 seasons, winning 1.84 gsmes per playoff season, getting to the SB more than 50% of those times and winning it 7/19.
Montana started playoff games in 11 seasons, winning 1.45 games per playoff season, getting to the SB 36% of those season and winning 4/11.

Brady 35-12 Montana 16-7

There is not a number in this post that favors Montana or us a tie.

The claim of coGOATS is ludicrous.

Andy, you're either really slow or you just like arguing for the sake of arguing. You are comparing accomplishments, which is not what I am talking about. I clarified what I said in my original remark about what I personally meant by "GOAT" and you are just redefining it to mean something else.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

3 questions

1. Tell me why that is ?
2. Why do their stats matter if wins and Lombardi’s are all that matter anyway ?
3. How are clutchness and decision making and accuracy measured?

You can't tangibly measure clutchness, decision-making, and accuracy (because of different eras)...I am just giving my layperson's opinion on the two players. On the field, they both look the same to me. This is all that I am talking about. I'd venture to say that if JM played in today's NFL and if his career doesn't get cut short due to injuries he'd have more than 4 lombardis.