OT: Brandon Marshall to Miami for 2010 2nd and 2011 2nd

[dtwisyPat]

And therein lies the problem.

You should be building a team, not stock-piling talent.

The Pats won the division last year (again), the Jets and the Dolphins didn't. They had to get better just to stand a chance of winning the division, because gift-wrapped spots for the Playoffs come around very rarely.

I'll tell you what son, give Bob Kraft a ring, tell him the coaching staff and management don't know what they're doing, and you'll do the job for a tenth of the cost.

You obviously know way more than BB and co does.

The Davinci code has been broken, teams have now learned how to copy Bill's formula for success.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

:wha: What the hell? You're him blaming for that?



Parcells left NE because he wanted total control of the team, the kind of control Belichick has now. I think Parcell's has proven that he's one of the best talent evaluators of this era.

Yeah, I am...

As for Parcell's, for all his skills as an evaluator he's failed to build a championship caliber team in the last two decades, or ever absent a DC of Belichick's caliber... He was floundering in NE until Belichick came back and took control of the defense here. Kraft was adamant that he didn't want to win championships if it meant signing off on thugs and hoodlums. In fact that is one of the reasons he didn't sign Belichick when Tuna left, he wanted to distance himself from that mentality. When he offered the job to him three years later it was with the understanding that while he would have total control of football operations, Kraft's name remained on the masthead. Even Dillon and Moss, who were not nearly the problem children this kid is, had to be signed off on by ownership. It's called mutual respect, something Tuna and any ownership has never shared. Kraft was willing to make exceptions because Bill had built an infrastructure in this locker room that could withstand and manage potentially problematic acquisitions. That infrastructure began to crumble last season and Bill is now committed to rebuilding it. For the forseeable future, therefore, problem children however talented need not apply. He's looking for guys to whom football matters more than partying or *****slapping your demanding baby mama's or having your ego contractually stroked...

 

[Rob0729]

Second-Moss was near the end of his career while Brandon is at his peek prime. To suggest somehow that Miami made a bad decision by picking up one of the most productive receivers in the league for a couple second rounders is foolish. Moss at the time had major problems in Viking town and Oakland. Brandon's problems were only in one city not five, like Moss.

I don't know if it is a bad decision, but it is a huge risk. If Marshall keeps his nose clean, it is a very good move. If he doesn't, it could be disaster for the Dolphins.

Moss had trouble in two cities, not five. Marshall had trouble in two cities too if you count his college days. He didn't play for any other team other than the Broncos so it would be impossible for him to be in trouble in more than one city as a Pro. Silly argument.

Again, the Pats didn't risk a lot of Moss and it paid off. The Dolphins are risking a lot for Marshall and well will have to wait and see if it pays off or not. Moving from a smaller, more reserved city like Denver to a bigger, wilder city like Miami could really exacerbate his off the field issues. Or he could grow up and be more of a model citizen from learning from his past mistakes. No one really knows which way he will go right now.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Re: Brandon Marshall to Miami

actually, its more like the Dolphins and Jets are getting better. Cant say the same for the Pats.

we cant judge until right before the first game of the season. We still have the draft and june cuts. Believe me i hear what you are saying, but i will wait and see what we have at the begining of the season before i say anything. The East is a beast

 

[condon84]

It came out at the trial of the Williams' murder that the shooter was retaliating due to an altrication he got in earlier in the night with Marshall and his cousin. Although he is not directly responsible, his actions did help lead to Williams' death.

No amount of trash talking should ever result in a gun being pulled out and people being shot up.

 

[dtwisyPat]

I don't know if it is a bad decision, but it is a huge risk. If Marshall keeps his nose clean, it is a very good move. If he doesn't, it could be disaster for the Dolphins.

Moss had trouble in two cities, not five. Marshall had trouble in two cities too if you count his college days. He didn't play for any other team other than the Broncos so it would be impossible for him to be in trouble in more than one city as a Pro. Silly argument.

Again, the Pats didn't risk a lot of Moss and it paid off. The Dolphins are risking a lot for Marshall and well will have to wait and see if it pays off or not. Moving from a smaller, more reserved city like Denver to a bigger, wilder city like Miami could really exacerbate his off the field issues. Or he could grow up and be more of a model citizen from learning from his past mistakes. No one really knows which way he will go right now.

Can we please stop the semantics...... Brandon is worth more than a couple second rounders even with the emotional issues. Moss did pay off, for a season, that ended in horror. Look at him now, a broken down man who can't even play against safety help. Brandon is doubled and tripled on a daily base with no other receiver on the Broncos as a threat and still can make 100 catches.

 

[The Dynasty]

First, the Pats gave up a fourth and had Moss under an one year very small money contract his first year here. They didn't risk anything by bringing him in and didn't give him a good deal until he proved himself. The Dolphins gave up two second rounders for Marshall and will likely make him one of the highest paid WRs in the league.

Second, Marshall is one step away from a serious suspension, has numerous off the field incidents including tons of violence to women charges and claims, and was caught on camera last year dogging it and being a spectacle in practice in training camp. He is more of a powder keg than Moss ever was. He might pull an Irving Fryar and find God in Miami and turn his life around. But the odds of him having a problem is far greater than it was with Moss.

You are such a homer its not even funny. You just said this past week that the Jets made a huge risk bringing in Holmes for a 5th rounder, but today you are saying that the Pats didnt take a risk at all bringing in Moss for a 4th rounder.

Your whole thing with Marshall being one step away from a serious suspension. You can say the same thing about anyone in the league, anyone could have a rough night and do something really stupid and risk a serious suspension. Your argument for why the move for the Dolphins is risky is because he is close to a serious suspension, come on man.

WR was a need for the Dolphins this off season. If they took one on the draft they would need to use their 1st round pick on a WR that even comes close to be in comparison with Marshall. Even then you cant compare a rookie to one of the top 5 WR in the NFL. This off season Boldin was probably the biggest WR available and Marshall the second. The Dolphins added a top 5 WR in the game for two 2nd round picks. I dont really see how this move is risky. The upside definitely out weighs the possible downside.

 

[blackglass3]

Man, we are so screwed. The Dolphins are going to beat us like a drum this week! ...wait, we're not playing them for at least another 5 months, you say?

Unclench, people. There is alot of stuff to happen before we even see a preseason game. It's a great move for the Fins, don't get me wrong. But let's let things play out.

 

[JoeSixPat]

There's no denying, Miami picked up a major difference maker for the bargain basement price of two 2nd round draft picks and a long term contract that will be $10 million a season at least.

What difference did he make in Denver?

Since drafting him the Broncos have never again made the playoffs.

They also fired their head coach.

Quite a difference.

Meanwhile as th Jets and Fins go out of their way to sign turds the Patriots are making a concerted effort to bring in high caliber players and quality depth.

I have a feeling this will work out better for the Pats than fans expect.

 

[b72s]

Now if we draft

Dez Bryant

The AFC east is the division of WRs

 

[Rob0729]

You are such a homer its not even funny. You just said this past week that the Jets made a huge risk bringing him Holmes for a 5th rounder, but today you are saying that the Pats didnt take a risk at all bringing in Moss for a 4th rounder.

Your whole thing with Marshall being one step away from a serious suspension. You can say the same thing about anyone in the league, anyone could have a rough night and do something really stupid and risk a serious suspension. Your argument for why the move for the Dolphins is risky is because he is close to a serious suspension, come on man.

WR was a need for the Dolphins this off season. If they took one on the draft they would need to use their 1st round pick on a WR that even comes close to be in comparison with Marshall. Even then you cant compare a rookie to one of the top 5 WR in the NFL. This off season Boldin was probably the biggest WR available and Marshall the second. The Dolphins added a top 5 WR in the game for two 2nd round picks. I dont really see how this move is risky. The upside definitely out weighs the possible downside.

First, I said the Holmes move was a good move. Second, I said both Holmes and Moss had risks because of their pasts, but both teams had low investments in them. In fact, I really didn't say anything bad about the Holmes deal other than he will miss the first four games (a fact) and that he is one step away from a year long suspension. Personally, I hated the Moss trade at the time it happened. I was proven wrong.

As for saying anyone is one step away from a serious suspension is BS. Marshall is because he was suspended already by the league. He already has one (almost two strikes against him). Marshall also as a long documented list of arrests for violences and domestic abuse from assaulting a police officer to beating up his girlfriend. Are you really going to say Brady and Marshall are the same when it comes towards the likelihood of suspension.

You don't see how the Marshall move has risk to it? Really?!? The Google the guy and look at all the problems this guy has had and tell me there is no risk to signing a guy like that long term.

As for the Dolphins, yes the WR position was a big need. Yes, IF Marshall can keep his nose clean, it was a great move for them. If not, then there is problems.


I may be a homer, but you are an idiot. I can live with that. Can you?

 

[letekro]

Re: Brandon Marshall to Miami

I was thinking it though...
Buffalo is so screwed, and the Pats definitely have their work cut out, this is the first year I didn't think the Pats would just walk away with the division, and I hope I'm wrong and they do something......ANYTHING to bring in some talent.

I guess you're not aware of this: NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MoLewisrocks]

No amount of trash talking should ever result in a gun being pulled out and people being shot up.

Of course it shouldn't. But the sad fact is we live in a world where it does. And Marshall reportedly even engaged in some gun smack talking with the eventual shooter which reportedly led to his going to get one...and returning and eventually shooting into the car he believed Marshall to be occupying...and ruining a lot of lives. Yet all Marshall seemingly cared about afterwards was getting his contract redone. Had he said he wanted/needed that to primarily support the family of the innocent victim of his idoicy he might have redeemed himself to some extent. But he hardly ever mentions that night except in the context of how aweful it was for him...and how he really wanted out of Denver as a result...unless, of course, they were willing to pull the Brinks truck up to his house.

When he starts blowing off meetings and acting out in Miami, we'll see if Tuna still thinks he's worth the risk...

 

[JFK]

The pats are definitely in trouble. There is no doubt about it. Other AFC East teams are making moves.

 

[The_Riddler]

Can someone wake up BB ? This is unbelievable !

 

[makoute]

At least for the short term, the only thing that bothers me about this move is that the Dolphins are more likely to go for an OLB in the first round of the draft. Miami lost a lot on defense this year including their two best pass rusher. I think this addition doesn't push them close to the Pats since they took a decent step back on defense this offseason.

The worst thing is I have more faith in MIA's bill being able to pick a great OLB than the Pats Bill.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I guess this means the end of the Wildcat in Miami,I can't see them using it much,Parcells sees some talent in Henne or he would not have made this move....White will probably get cut,what good is he there now?

Ronnie Brown is on the trading block as well,but with his injury there will be little trade value,he was another big part of that Wildcat

 

[dtwisyPat]

Can someone wake up BB ? This is unbelievable !

It's the three rings, they have corrupted him and his vision.

 

[Rob0729]

The worst thing is I have more faith in MIA's bill being able to pick a great OLB than the Pats Bill.

First, whoever the Dolphins pick at 12 is was not going to be available when the Pats pick. So that isn't what worries me. It is the domino affect that they take a player that might not have been taken by them if they didn't have a need at WR and there is either a run at defensive players or the Pats top 2-3 players on their board will end up being taken because of it.

Second, no matter who Parcells take, it should be a better player than who the Pats pick. The Dolphins pick ten picks ahead of the the Pats. Whoever the Dolphins pick was likely not to be available for the Patriots unless they traded up.

 

[satz]

The 2 effects of this trade are bryant or tate are going to slip and we have a realistic change of getting one of them.Branch is not in the market as seattle did not get brandon.

I do not see the love for brandon who all year said he hates the system josh runs which btw is what we run lol.

You think he was upset in denver wait till they run ,run and run in miami i think his head will explode.