OT: Baker traded to Panthers

[Deus Irae]

It's dangerous to conclude that pocket passers are passé.

The problem is with the college game impacting the NFL game, and with the NFL rules having gone so far to protect the QB even when he's out of the pocket. So the pool of pocket passers coming through the college ranks is now much smaller, and the running QBs in the NFL are now wrapped in bubble wrap the way people used to complain about pocket passers being.

 

[Kasmir]

The problem is with the college game impacting the NFL game, and with the NFL rules having gone so far to protect the QB even when he's out of the pocket. So the pool of pocket passers coming through the college ranks is now much smaller, and the running QBs in the NFL are now wrapped in bubble wrap the way people used to complain about pocket passers being.

It always has made sense for college teams to be dominated by passers who can run because they don't care about longevity. So mediocre pocket QB's should rightly face lots of competition in the NCAA. But the QB's with superior passing skills will always find a place, if only from coaches recruiting with contrarian programs. I doubt the supply to the NFL of superior prospects will be affected.

And at the NFL level, all those QB's differentiated by leg skills need to learn to be pocket QB's anyway if they want to have long term careers.

The other question is whether NFL teams will be burned by dropping $100mm 2nd contracts on QB's relying on durable leg skills.

 

[Deus Irae]

It always has made sense for college teams to be dominated by passers who can run because they don't care about longevity. So mediocre pocket QB's should rightly face lots of competition in the NCAA. But the QB's with superior passing skills will always find a place, if only from coaches recruiting with contrarian programs. I doubt the supply to the NFL of superior prospects will be affected.

And at the NFL level, all those QB's differentiated by leg skills need to learn to be pocket QB's anyway if they want to have long term careers.

The other question is whether NFL teams will be burned by dropping $100mm 2nd contracts on QB's relying on durable leg skills.

Colleges used to run a lot more pro-stye offense, which led to a lot more pocket passers going through the ranks. And that was a good thing. Now, most college QBs are gadget QBs of one type or another (either by themselves or by the system they go to).

 

[Kasmir]

Colleges used to run a lot more pro-stye offense, which led to a lot more pocket passers going through the ranks. And that was a good thing. Now, most college QBs are gadget QBs of one type or another (either by themselves or by the system they go to).

Sure, but the uber-talented QB prospects will continue to emerge in high school programs and will find their way to a college program and eventually the pros, even if by a torturous path like Brady went through. It's more the less talented pocket passers that are being replaced by the more athletic hybrid types. And as I said, even in the NFL, I predict the best of those players will eventually become pocket QB's as they lose elite athleticism with age and wear and tear. And (say) Mahomes will be a *better* QB in 10 years even though he won't run around as much. If Brady were in high school today he'd still have a path to greatness.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure, but the uber-talented QB prospects will continue to emerge in high school programs and will find their way to a college program and eventually the pros, even if by a torturous path like Brady went through. It's more the less talented pocket passers that are being replaced by the more athletic hybrid types. And as I said, even in the NFL, I predict the best of those players will eventually become pocket QB's as they lose elite athleticism with age and wear and tear. And (say) Mahomes will be a *better* QB in 10 years even though he won't run around as much. If Brady were in high school today he'd still have a path to greatness.

Yeah......


No



Colleges are looking for a different type of QB from the start. There's no development time for a pocket passer in a run system.

 

[Kasmir]

Yeah......


No



Colleges are looking for a different type of QB from the start. There's no development time for a pocket passer in a run system.

Such a waste for Arch Manning being the #1 overall prospect if he's just going to warm the bench at Texas.

 

[mgteich]

I would agree with this if management treated all the players the same way, but they don't. Nothing ever happened to either Manning for their violations but Brady was taken over the coals for doing nothing wrong at all.

1) All players are not treated the same by the league, by ownership, or by other players. The rules are simply different for top players and for long time veterans.

2) Those who continually say that Brady has been mistreated by the league, in contrast to the Mannings, all post on patriot message boards. That too has been the case for a very long time.

 

[mgteich]

Stop being wrong all the time. It's ok to admit you've been dead wrong. Not a big deal man. It's just football lol.





Higher comp %, ANY/A, Y/A, NY/A, AY/A and less sacks than Josh Allen and on par with Herbert.

What you have demonstrated is that facts and statistics don't necessarily change firmly held personal opinions.

 

[Deus Irae]

What you have demonstrated is that facts and statistics don't necessarily change firmly held personal opinions.

Statistics can also "lie".

 

[Bill Lee]

It always has made sense for college teams to be dominated by passers who can run because they don't care about longevity. So mediocre pocket QB's should rightly face lots of competition in the NCAA. But the QB's with superior passing skills will always find a place, if only from coaches recruiting with contrarian programs. I doubt the supply to the NFL of superior prospects will be affected.

It's going the other way too, college QBs aren't staying in a program for four years any more.

The other question is whether NFL teams will be burned by dropping $100mm 2nd contracts on QB's relying on durable leg skills.

See Murray, Kyler?

GMs want to keep their jobs. They don't seem to care if they have to over-commit their owner's money to do so.

 

[captain stone]

2) Those who continually say that Brady has been mistreated by the league, in contrast to the Mannings, all post on patriot message boards. That too has been the case for a very long time.

He has.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What you have demonstrated is that facts and statistics don't necessarily change firmly held personal opinions.

Bias & belief > stats & facts.

I mean it would be one thing if we're talking outliers but he's got fantastic film, stats to back it up / on par with guys like Herbert, Allen and he's had multiple MVP stretches in his short career. Some people just don't like Lamar or can't admit they were wrong from when he came in.

He's not perfect and not what most here are used to but he's a damm good QB that wins games, makes the playoffs and does it with a bottom 5 - 10 group of targets.

Also he's fun af to watch. Save the X&O, stats and such. He's one of the most dynamic players you'll ever see. I'm convinced some people hate fun. It's not that serious it's just a game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bias & belief > stats & facts.

I mean it would be one thing if we're talking outliers but he's got fantastic film, stats to back it up / on par with guys like Herbert, Allen and he's had multiple MVP stretches in his short career. Some people just don't like Lamar or can't admit they were wrong from when he came in.

He's not perfect and not what most here are used to but he's a damm good QB that wins games, makes the playoffs and does it with a bottom 5 - 10 group of targets.

Also he's fun af to watch. Save the X&O, stats and such. He's one of the most dynamic players you'll ever see. I'm convinced some people hate fun. It's not that serious it's just a game.

Statistics without context are often "lies". You, and everyone else, are welcome to overrate/underrate Jackson all you want, but pinning your argument about a player with such an unusual skill set as he has on stats is a recipe for contention.

 

[Bill Lee]

Looks like Jimmy G is destined for a Baker-like trade:

 

[captain stone]

Looks like Jimmy G is destined for a Baker-like trade:

At least the Brownies have Brissett in the building... Shanny ain't got Jack Squat...

 

[JarOfMayo51]

OK

Personally, I think that it is nonsense for folks to think that ownership and management should be held to similar standards as employees under contract.
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For safety and many other issues, there are rules that are negotiated for employees. There is no reason for owners and managment to abide by these same rules.

i dont think it has anything to do with peoples opinion of whether ownership and management should be held to similar standards

The NFL has it written in their own policies that owners WILL be held to a higher standard than players