[Old 2020 thread] NFL Free Agency/Trade Rumors:

[DaBruinz]

OK, please inform us.

Why would Thuney and the team agree to a long-term deal now? They couldn't agree last year.

Why wouldn't they? The team is in much better cap situation than this year. Not to mention that perspectives change. But, you keep thinking that everything is stagnant and that people don't change their minds..

 

[50-yard-line]

That's a great deal for Indy. If Wentz sucks, he's cut-able after this year. if he doesn't, they have a solid QB option for 4 years.

Great deal.

 

[Love The Drake]

I read all along Wentz was forcing this trade to Indy.
This is by far what’s best for Wentz career.
Indy stole this one.

 

[Sciz]

That's a great deal for Indy. If Wentz sucks, he's cut-able after this year. if he doesn't, they have a solid QB option for 4 years.

Great deal.

If they cut him after this year, they still owe him $15M guaranteed in 2022, which means he will have earned $40M from them for one year.

 

[Love The Drake]

Now let’s go get Jimmy or Marcus the first domino has fallen

 

[DW Toys]

My apologies for missing the sarcasm. That was never the intention.

He's faced with the the possibility that if he makes this trade, his skills give him the OPPORTUNITY to turn it around vs near certainty that the facts if left in place will never allow.

In the end, one always has to trust one's ability to go in a different direction and realize that's all you can control.

On the other hand, maybe he does have a plan and will keep him.

Cousins, Good morning to all you fiesty ones today it would appear. Great breakfast of cottage cheese and blueberry pancakes with syrup and sausage pattys plus coffee and orange juice. The cottage cheese makes the pancake real creamy.

Right now the Texans Fan base are boiling the tar. Nick C. does have two alternatives that his Fan base will buy. Plan A would be swapping Watson for Russell Wilson straight up. Both whiners are silenced. Right now Wilson's O Line in Seattle are perfecting new ways to establish the "Look-Out" block. I am sure no one wants to live in Seattle now so Nick C. can give Watson the "So there!"

That trade would appease both Fan bases. Saves face for both organizations.

Plan B I hope never gets done because it hurts us. It would fleece the Jets but in the end help them. Darnold was NOT drafted by the new regimes so the attitude would be "see=ya". Darnold, Quinnen Williams (the Texans need D Line help losing Watt and Williams is one his rookie contract ......think CAP), the second pick Round 1, the 23rd pick in Round 1 in this Draft and a Jets first round pick in 2022.

Plan B version 2 is a I hope a NOT too. The Dolphins trade Tua, DE Emmanuel Ogbah this year;s 1st round #3. 1st Round pick #18 and a 1st round pick in 2022 for Watson. This would fleece the Dolphins but they would be a better Team for it.

In both Plan "B"s, the Texans Fan base will complain but reduction in CAP, two starters and two first rounders (the Texans have no first or second round picks in this year's Draft) iin this Draft plus an additional first in 2022 takes the sting out. The two D Line choices are imperative. and cutting Watt only put them a few dollars over CAP.

Now Nick C might utilize his Pats experience and trade one of the 1sts for a bounty of picks at 1st round pick two or three because he has a QB in place. Imagine the haul from the Colts, Bears, Broncos, Panthers, Niners or even the Pats who are QB hunting. Example: ;Panthers 1st round pick #8, plus their 2nd round pick #39 (the Texans have no Round 2 pick) .to allow Carolina to move up.
This works on the Draft value chart of 510 points for the Jets pick to the Panthers.

In this example the Texans get a starting QB perhaps on parr with Goff at least, a starter for the D Line with a reasonable CAP, reduction of a huge QB CAP issue, two first rounders and a second rounder when the Draft cupboard was bare,

Of course you better hit with those pics and Nick has been mediocre at best.
DW Toys

 

[venecol]

The trades were awful but don’t really have anything to do with this.

Finding a qb you can win with us a daunting task. 32 teams have been trying to draft that guy for years and maybe 10 have him
When you have him, you have to pay the market price. And Watson’s contract is the market price.
Sure there is an argument that qbs are overpriced. But that is only theoretical. They cost what they cost. Until you can show me teams that can consistently win with a an no one else wants to pay, it’s simply the cost of doing business.

Ultimately when Watson’s cap number is 40 mill a mediocre QB who if he is your QB you are looking to replace so you can win will cost 25 mill.
I’ll take a top few qb and skrimp for 15 mill by having a few more rookies for depth than veterans or backloading a contract or 2 that I would prefer not to, than sit around losing and bragging that I only pay my crappy qb 25 mill

Please edit and re-write to be more legible. Shorter sentences and more commas?

Not trying to be funny.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

The Wentz trade now brings Brissett into play for the Pats. The Colts just sank 31 million in cap money to Wentz and they have Jacob Eason on a cheap rookie contract. So I Brissett doesn’t make any sense for them.

 

[Uptown]

Don’t want Brissett, unless he’s a cheap backup. We need a quarterback.

 

[DaBruinz]

If they cut him after this year, they still owe him $15M guaranteed in 2022, which means he will have earned $40M from them for one year.

Jeff George all over again.. LOL

 

[Ring 6]

Please edit and re-write to be more legible. Shorter sentences and more commas?

Not trying to be funny.

Typing on phone. Don’t have time to deal with punctuation and autocorrects.

 

[Ring 6]

If they cut him after this year, they still owe him $15M guaranteed in 2022, which means he will have earned $40M from them for one year.

They won’t cut him this year. So they have him for 2 years at a little over 40 mill which is reasonable.

 

[upstater1]

Notice my "incleveland". The Browns were actually do very well up until the time the move was announced. NFL Network has a show on that. Trust me, that situation was much more traumatic.

I had someone in my office still talking about that this morning. It had nothing to do with anybody melting down........the meltdown happened because of the move.

As far as Houston goes, bad play was not caused by the coach melting down. Bad play from mentally weak players caused the coach to melt down.

I don't care where you're from. It's happened repeatedly. Teams with coaches about to be canned end up sucking.

 

[upstater1]

We gave up Brissett for Dorsett. I think Belichick has already spoken on this one.

 

[Love The Drake]

We gave up Brissett for Dorsett. I think Belichick has already spoken on this one.

It’s Newton Mariota or a Rook at this point.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Great stat from Field Yates, of the 22 QBs drafted in the first round from 2009-2016, none of them are still with the team that drafted them. So i decided to take a look:

2016 #1 Goff-traded to Det so the Rams could get out from under the contract extension they signed him to
2016 #2 Wentz-traded to the Colts so the Eagles could get out from under the contract extension they signed him to
2015 #1 Winston-Rookie contract expired with Bucs, back-up with Saints last year now a UFA
2015 #2 Mariota-Rookie contract expired, now a back-up with the Raiders
2014 #3 Bortles- Rookie contract expired, now a back-up for the Rams
2014 #32 Bridgewater-hurt, rookie contract expired, now the soon to be replaced starter for the Panthers
2013 No QBs taken in first round
2012 #1 Luck retired in 2018
2012#2 RG#- hurt, cut, now on 3rd team back-up with Baltimore
2012 #8 Tannehill- rookie contract expired, victim of Gase, now starter with Tennessee (maybe the best 1st rd QB of this period still standing)
2012 #22 Weedon, bust, out of football in 2018
2011 #1 Cam, nuf said
2011 #8 Locker, bust out of football by 2014
2011 #10 Gabbert, bust, just won a ring as Brady's back-up
2011 #12 Ponder, bust out of fooball by 2014, does have a hot wife
2010 #1 Bradford, hurt, traded a couple times, out of football by 2018
2010 #25 Tebow, everything you need to know about Josh McDaniels ability to scout NFL talent, out of football by 2012
2009 #1 Stafford, actually lived up to his billing, just traded to Rams
2009 #5 Dirty Sanchez, two words: butt fumble, out of football by 2019


So I would say out of all the QBs taken, Stafford, Newton and Luck worked out the best for the team that drafted them. the rest, eeeekkkk.

 

[borg]

Please edit and re-write to be more legible. Shorter sentences and more commas?

Not trying to be funny.

It's a bit like a jigsaw puzzle fresh out of the box.
Anyone who can decipher that post could have a bright future breaking codes for the NSA.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The Wentz trade now brings Brissett into play for the Pats. The Colts just sank 31 million in cap money to Wentz and they have Jacob Eason on a cheap rookie contract. So I Brissett doesn’t make any sense for them.

And Indy has more cap space than us, so that means they are out of the running. The Jags will pick Lawrence so they are all set. JETE have Darnold so it will be interesting to see what they do. With the 2nd pick I would move Darnold who will not increase in value going forward. That leaves the Pats has the highest cap space team without a QB.

Reich must really like Wentz to risk so much. Much be great at managing him.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

The trades were awful but don’t really have anything to do with this.

Finding a qb you can win with us a daunting task. 32 teams have been trying to draft that guy for years and maybe 10 have him
When you have him, you have to pay the market price. And Watson’s contract is the market price.
Sure there is an argument that qbs are overpriced. But that is only theoretical. They cost what they cost. Until you can show me teams that can consistently win with a an no one else wants to pay, it’s simply the cost of doing business.

Ultimately when Watson’s cap number is 40 mill a mediocre QB who if he is your QB you are looking to replace so you can win will cost 25 mill.
I’ll take a top few qb and skrimp for 15 mill by having a few more rookies for depth than veterans or backloading a contract or 2 that I would prefer not to, than sit around losing and bragging that I only pay my crappy qb 25 mill

Actually the trades do.

First, the first excuse was he needed better protection so Houston went for broke with picks and now have a 20+ million CAP left tackle.

Hopkins wanted out because he was only making $13 M so the excuse last year was he lost his best weapon that's going to cost up to $25M.

I don't get the Hopkins thing because Nink told me this morning the NFL players will accept playing in Kolyma with an occasional cup of gruel just to play with a true franchise QB.

Didn't Houston get that note?

Let's just end it at you think he is a vastly better QB than I do and how we interpret the numbers is considerably different and move on to the next subject at hand..

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is a 4th angle.

The end will come, the 42 year old looked awful the second half of last year, due to injury but smart money says injured 43 year olds don’t improve, you don’t have the cap room to keep him and fill the needs you also have that must be filled to be a contender, he’ll you don’t have it even if he leaves. You will have franchise changing cap room next year to rebuild, but if the 42 year old injured qb is not improved at 44 you are paying him 30 mill out of that reboot and he is likely to be beyond the days he can win.
So the reason to keep him is emotional.

Ultimately the patriots were not going to be a better team in 2020 than 2019. The cap guaranteed that. They lost key players and had no cap space to replace them with. If Brady stayed thuney and McCourty wouldn’t have been able to and no additions could be made. There was going to be a day when Brady won’t be able to, healthy enough or good enough to keep playing. No one in the league was willing to say that was later than 2021. Regardless of what brady did in Tampa (because the patriots franchise has to be about what is best for itself not the optics of who wins when they leave) the choice was bring him back for 2 years knowing 2020 was a damaged season a s 2021 was the cap bonanza, but Brady is 44.
There are very strong arguments that Brady choosing to leave is the best thing in the long run for the patriots.

2020 was the perfect storm. I firmly believe the years of picking in the late 20s and early 30s finally caught up with them. Sure BB missed on high picks like Easley, Dawson, etc but everyone misses on picks and if you are always picking outside of the 20s you will miss on more picks make outside of the top 15ish. Additionally teams picking in the late 20s and 30s miss out on that blue-chip, starter-ready talent.

Additionally the Pats always had Grade A talent and it's extremely difficult for a rookie to play here because of the loaded rosters they had. The fact they've hit on UFAs (thanks to Bill and his scouting & player development) and cast-offs (Branch, Van Noy, etc) is incredible both from a production and cap standpoint. Couple that with the opt-outs there was no way in hell Bill could field a championship -caliber team with Tom at $15m or a playoff team with Tom at $30m

So rebuilding was the route he chose and nonetheless Tom did not/would not want to be part of a rebuild job or a 9-7 team.

Bill did the prudent thing. He let Tom go.