PostGame Thread OFFICIAL PostGame Thread: Patriots lose the opener to Las Vegas 20-13

[captain stone]

If anyone showed me this game and told me mayo was the coach i would've believed it.

Our New & (supposedly) Improved HC, OC & DC were All out-coached by their HC, OC & DC.

I wanted Chip Kelly over Skippy so bad yo.

 

[jdlboot14]

There should be some movement on the PS / inactive this week.
1. activate Jennings over Rham - I'm 100% serious that he'd do better as a short yardage, pounding RB.
2. Play some Ponder & Gregory (put White & Chaisson on notice)
3. Chism active (for PR & slot WR)

 

[Rob0729]

Didn’t Bill Parcells once tell the Pats they accepted losing more easily than they should?

That was pre-Brady.

Jimmy G once said that he beat Brady in some competition and Brady wouldn’t talk to him for a week.

Teammates always spoke about how Larry Bird hated losing. I think it was here that a poster mentioned he got to play against Bird in some sort of public event, and he actually made a couple of good plays against Bird and Bird responded with some sort of in your face play,

Against a kid.

We know TFB hated losing.

The great ones hate losing.

Does Drake Maye hate losing?

I think people overplay this. Yes, Brady's competitiveness and drive made him great. But I don't know if guys like Montana, Young, Elway, Aikman, or Bradshaw were nearly as competitive as Brady and still won. Maybe it was a different era.

And think people are basing Maye's drive and competitiveness on a very small sample of information. We have no idea how committed and competitive Maye really is. He has a different demeanor than Brady, but that doesn't mean he isn't among the most competitive and driven QBs in the league.

It is unfair, but inevitable that Maye is constantly measured against Tom Brady and his best attributes.

The fact is that Brady had to prove himself at every level. People wrote him off in college and then initially in the pros. That drove him to be the competitor he was. Maye and most QBs in the NFL didn't have that working against them. So that is why most QB don't have that drive and competitiveness that Brady had.

 

[upstater1]

Defense was not the problem. Holding a team with the weapons the Raiders have to 20 points and getting a turnover is about what you can ask from a defense in today’s NFL. Pressure was something we haven’t seen in a few years.

They contained Ashton Jeanty, although time will tell if that was us or if he’s just overrated from a lack of real competition in college.

Spillane who I was excited about and was hyping had a couple of plays where he had a brain fart or was physically neutralized. Hopefully he acts like a leader, takes responsibility and steps up.

Offense was rough. Agree the Rham seems ineffective and I was puzzled they didn’t run more.

Maye didn’t have a lot of clean pockets, but he just flat out missed a number of times. That said he’s young and the big ok on him in the draft was that he was unpolished with tremendous potential. He’s the anti-Mac jones. Mac was polished, with a noodle arm. He looked good until NFL defensive coordinators hat a year to look at him, figured out what he couldn’t do, took away the stuff he could and watched him utterly melt down. Drake has all the potential in the world but needs to develop.

We sort of need to be patient, mostly because I don’t think we have much choice.

What weapons though?

They have Bowers.

But the Raiders are not a team with a lot of weapons.

 

[Triumph]

This is you.
Make a crazy ass claim, saying I said something I never did. In this case I wanted Polk to make the team.
Then I tell you to prove it.

You post something that doesn’t stay that at all, but has Polks name in it.
I call you as full of ****.

You disappear for 4 days then repeat the lie.

You also at a coward. You told me Hollins beat out Boutte. Of course, as always you were wrong. I offered a bet, with the stakes being quit the board, so that we could rid this place of you, and despite all of your bluster, you hid from the challenge you are quite simply a loser.

You are a clown.

You left this board for quite some time ( I did not even notice that you were gone because I rarely paid any attention to your gibberish) and then you came back under a new name because you ruined Andy Johnson. Those are facts. But, you are still the same poster with the same mealy mouth tactics. Same old BS.

Youre also a liar or an imbecile or both.. How did I not appear on this board for 4 days ( Another lie) when I have posted here all weekend? Spare me the idiotic explanation.

You told us that Maye had a good camp and preseason and not be concerned. All lies and now you're blaming McDaniel's and the OL.

 

[Ring 6]

You are a clown.

You left this board for quite some time ( I did not even notice that you were gone because I rarely paid any attention to your gibberish) and then you came back under a new name because you ruined Andy Johnson. Those are facts. But, you are still the same poster with the same mealy mouth tactics. Same old BS.

Youre also a liar or an imbecile or both.. How did I not appear on this board for 4 days ( Another lie) when I have posted here all weekend? Spare me the idiotic explanation.

You told us that Maye had a good camp and preseason and not be concerned. All lies and now you're blaming McDaniel's and the OL.

Blah blah blah, you’ve been caught AGAIN with you lying BS.

Maye is fine. He had a very good first half.
Not calling a single ha doff to RB1 OR RB2 in a half isn’t blame, it’s stupidity and it makes your QBs job impossible. You don’t think being under pressure a lot affects what a qb can do? It’s an excuse?
Once again, you are wrong, you know you are wrong, but you keep making dumber arguments to avoid admitting it.

 

[Triumph]

Actually it isn’t because they weren’t holding the offense back by being in the field, but again, keep trying to say the biggest Polk hater on the board is a Polk fan, you clown yourself every time you do.

Polk last year had .35 yards per route run. Hollins at .14 managed to be worse than the worst WR ever. Keep telling me how awesome he is.

You are like bringing your vehicle back to the dealership to fix something.

After about the 3rd time working on the issue, your vehicle is no better so you just give up dealing with them. They wear you down

 

[Triumph]

Blah blah blah, you’ve been caught AGAIN with you lying BS.

Maye is fine. He had a very good first half.
Not calling a single ha doff to RB1 OR RB2 in a half isn’t blame, it’s stupidity and it makes your QBs job impossible. You don’t think being under pressure a lot affects what a qb can do? It’s an excuse?
Once again, you are wrong, you know you are wrong, but you keep making dumber arguments to avoid admitting it.

FACTS

You hate facts.

 

[captain stone]

I didn't like his end with the Raiders... he was a hated bastard there. Kelly's name was mentioned for an Interview at the end of last season for OC. I hope we didn't make a mistake.

We - aka Ownership - already did.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I have said that I don't care that much about the record this year, that I will be happy this year to see evidence of progress each week. I though that was a pretty low bar that would hold me safe from too much frustration. Apparently I was wrong. Aside from a confirmation that the o-line is better this year than last (talk about a low bar), I didn't see clear improvement anywhere. I'm not bailing on either the team or on any individual player, but that mess was really disappointing. The most discouraging thing may have been the checked-out sloppiness too many players showed. Where's that kickass culture we were supposed to see? I half expected to see Mayo standing on the sideline, staring off into space.

I see progress through a series of data points. The first game is the first data point. I want to see improvement from here. The problem last year was after the first data point we got much, much worse. If Vrabel, McD and Maye can't show improvement from here, then we're in trouble.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yep. We completely seemed to abandon the run in the second half and the offense dried up.

It was not a Vrabel type game; I hope he chewed out McDaniels. We want to see hell of a lot more T Henderson going forward. He can help us in the run game also the short passing game. No more Rham...no more Rahm!!

 

[slash83]

I don't think gonzo alone would have made much of a difference the way the defensive backs were plying. The radars wide out were running free with no one withing yards of them most of the day

What?!? Gonzo would’ve erased Myers.

 

[Ross12]

I have said that I don't care that much about the record this year, that I will be happy this year to see evidence of progress each week. I though that was a pretty low bar that would hold me safe from too much frustration. Apparently I was wrong. Aside from a confirmation that the o-line is better this year than last (talk about a low bar), I didn't see clear improvement anywhere. I'm not bailing on either the team or on any individual player, but that mess was really disappointing. The most discouraging thing may have been the checked-out sloppiness too many players showed. Where's that kickass culture we were supposed to see? I half expected to see Mayo standing on the sideline, staring off into space.

I think there's also the rust factor, where most of these guys barely played in preseason or didn't at all. That could've been a partial cause of some sloppiness that they should be able to clean up. If the guys don't work to improve it then they probably get replaced.

 

[PatsFan2]

I see progress through a series of data points. The first game is the first data point. I want to see improvement from here. The problem last year was after the first data point we got much, much worse. If Vrabel, McD and Maye can't show improvement from here, then we're in trouble.

Good points mike: we know when Gonzo comes back: our D will be where we want it. Vrabel needs to coach them attention to detail: McDaniels needs to give our Offense an Identity: and Maye needs to play well: we are not asking for perfection.

 

[Ring 6]

FACTS

You hate facts.

lol you are the guy who has never discussed a fact

 

[KCSVEN]

Here is a solid breakdown of Maye's game. He's very biased against Josh and Vrabel but much of the analysis is good here.

A few plays that I disagree with him on:

+The miss to Henry when Henry stops running in the red zone: um, Henry stopped running, if he didn't he had a good chance to catch it.
-The other bad looking miss to Henry was a throw to the outside shoulder away from the coming safety and Henry looked inside for some reason, he says bad throw but think that one is placed the only place he could go.
-Fumble by Maye where Campbell was beat he blames Campbell but was probably on Rahm, not Campbell. Rham is supposed to chip the end. Knowing this Campbell sets up to protect the inside rush since Rham would chip and prevent the outside rush, Rham barely touched him, almost realizes he messes up and start to chase after the defensive end and then decides, well I might as well get out on my route instead. I added a clip to this play below and see what Rham does, or DOES NOT do.



The conclusion Maye did not play a bad game was the same I had after watching tape. He wasn't perfect and had a few bad throws. Unfortunately, other QB's can get away with that and do every week. Until we get Chism out there and Henderson more involved the lack of playmakers will require Maye to play at a very high level to score points.

 

[Ring 6]

You are like bringing your vehicle back to the dealership to fix something.

After about the 3rd time working on the issue, your vehicle is no better so you just give up dealing with them. They wear you down

That made less sense than most of your non-sense

But it appears you are saying you know you are wrong and I keep reminding you so you hide. Yeah, about right.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think there's also the rust factor, where most of these guys barely played in preseason or didn't at all. That could've been a partial cause of some sloppiness that they should be able to clean up. If the guys don't work to improve it then they probably get replaced.

And replace with who?? This Team is not deep at any position.

 

[Ring 6]

Here is a solid breakdown of Maye's game. He's very biased against Josh and Vrabel but much of the analysis is good here.

A few plays that I disagree with him on:

+The miss to Henry when Henry stops running in the red zone: um, Henry stopped running, if he didn't he had a good chance to catch it.
-The other bad looking miss to Henry was a throw to the outside shoulder away from the coming safety and Henry looked inside for some reason, he says bad throw but think that one is placed the only place he could go.
-Fumble by Maye where Campbell was beat he blames Campbell but was probably on Rahm, not Campbell. Rham is supposed to chip the end. Knowing this Campbell sets up to protect the inside rush since Rham would chip and prevent the outside rush, Rham barely touched him, almost realizes he messes up and start to chase after the defensive end and then decides, well I might as well get out on my route instead. I added a clip to this play below and see what Rham does, or DOES NOT do.



The conclusion Maye did not play a bad game was the same I had after watching tape. He wasn't perfect and had a few bad throws. Unfortunately, other QB's can get away with that and do every week. Until we get Chism out there and Henderson more involved the lack of playmakers will require Maye to play at a very high level to score points.

Good post. That wasn’t the fumble though I think.
That was the incomplete pass. On the fumble I don’t think he was actually touched (but I have to go back and check)

 

[Bill Lee]

and good friend Kendrick Bourne just signed with Niners one year up to 5 mill.

I didn't once say to myself during he game yesterday that we'd be better off with Kendrick Bourne, or Jacoby Meyers either.

They are pretty much replacement-level players, no?

Snap counts looked like:



Presumably Diggs will get more as he gets healthier and Williams as he gets more experience.

Not sure where a Bourne or a Meyers would get their snaps.

Link: Snap Counts by Team