Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Chargers

[PATSYLICIOUS]

"New England Mike"! He especially hated Ernie Zampese...

wow, ernie zampese?? What forum was that, kffl? That was where i was before here, but not sure if even they went back that far

 

[TheRainMaker]

wow, ernie zampese?? What forum was that, kffl? That was where i was before here, but not sure if even they went back that far

I’m guessing ESPN or KFFL. ESPN had some pretty good message boards back in the day. Also made it easy to navigate to other teams boards to see what they are talking about.

Regarding Zampese, he was a scapegoat for the Pats troubles, but he was a pretty damn bland OC. He was living off of his Dallas Cowboys days.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Sometimes those guys are right. DKF had a pretty good read on our OL situation this year even though myself and others were peppering him with disagreement.

He really didn't though. Calling Trent Brown a durable stud LT is all kinds of wrong. Saying Onwenu should start at RT bc he's a monster isn't a good read. It's just saying stuff without being able to explain a thing if his life depended on it. He also was pounding the table for Cam to start and said he excelled at short/intermediate "bullet" passes lol. He's a decent troll but the next time he explains something or says something insightful will be the first.

He's clueless throwing stuff against the wall if we're being honest.

I got np with someone being right or taking credit when they are. LOL I do it all the time. There's a difference when you have a clue on the subject and know what you're talking about. Can provide some insight and evidence. @DropKickFlutie is just a troll repeating the same things for over a decade. He's wasted all that time when he could of found a hobby he was good at.

I like McDaniels, but it's hard to blame someone for getting frustrated with his style. I'm kind of convinced he runs bad plays on purpose (e.g. the classic "3rd and Bolden" play) sometimes so teams will put it on the scouting report. The trick plays can seem desperate and lame when they're the only ones that work in some games. The difference between me and DKF is I think those things ultimately help more than they hurt.

Peoole that constantly complain about play calling wouldn't last on football survivor island. They getting voted out and the tribe has spoken. I think they're the Karen's of the football world. Complaining to complain.












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https://twitter.com/LynchValentine/status/1454868445334581249?t=CZtPDIL92VQ0b5pi6sa-hA&s=19


https://twitter.com/JayRoc850/status/1454875161828679685?t=y6lfqFwOCyxRB-S38yX8qQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/schottenvisor/status/1452824746211508224?t=U6um5qhsl545lKMfDzZLhA&s=19

https://twitter.com/_CardiaQ/status/1452824740947800066?t=NCZ9wkazxG-T_myonneUPA&s=19

https://twitter.com/TisMeeks/status/1455015370520252418?t=hHUG5gmXILiNbDBOiDjDAA&s=19

https://twitter.com/Dako_Richy/status/1455287468601839623?t=9h3tVqz7RRoVkssQ3Ich8g&s=19

Don't be a Karen @jah

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I’m guessing ESPN or KFFL. ESPN had some pretty good message boards back in the day. Also made it easy to navigate to other teams boards to see what they are talking about.

Regarding Zampese, he was a scapegoat for the Pats troubles, but he was a pretty damn bland OC. He was living off of his Dallas Cowboys days.

Oh yeah, definitely lurked at espn back in the day. Was pretty indifferent on zampese... didn’t hate him didn’t love him

 

[RobertWeathers]

Regarding Zampese, he was a scapegoat for the Pats troubles, but he was a pretty damn bland OC. He was living off of his Dallas Cowboys days.

Just like any OC if he has good talent around him he'll look good. If they don't, he won't.

The 1998 and 1999 NEP offense sucked. Martin left. Glenn was always hurt. Coats was wearing down. Drew was sliding. Bad times. By then he was done.

Larry Keenan also lacked creativity. Pom-Pom had no idea what he was doing.

He did well in SD, LA and DAL though because they had talent.

 

[jah]

He really didn't though. Calling Trent Brown a durable stud LT is all kinds of wrong. Saying Onwenu should start at RT bc he's a monster isn't a good read. It's just saying stuff without being able to explain a thing if his life depended on it. He also was pounding the table for Cam to start and said he excelled at short/intermediate "bullet" passes lol. He's a decent troll but the next time he explains something or says something insightful will be the first.

He's clueless throwing stuff against the wall if we're being honest.

I got np with someone being right or taking credit when they are. LOL I do it all the time. There's a difference when you have a clue on the subject and know what you're talking about. Can provide some insight and evidence. @DropKickFlutie is just a troll repeating the same things for over a decade. He's wasted all that time when he could of found a hobby he was good at.

Peoole that constantly complain about play calling wouldn't last on football survivor island. They getting voted out and the tribe has spoken. I think they're the Karen's of the football world. Complaining to complain.












https://twitter.com/alex_carter1994/status/1454948565885800457?t=ykzhf1w2gyOr-XO7ghPRTQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/LynchValentine/status/1454868445334581249?t=CZtPDIL92VQ0b5pi6sa-hA&s=19


https://twitter.com/JayRoc850/status/1454875161828679685?t=y6lfqFwOCyxRB-S38yX8qQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/schottenvisor/status/1452824746211508224?t=U6um5qhsl545lKMfDzZLhA&s=19

https://twitter.com/_CardiaQ/status/1452824740947800066?t=NCZ9wkazxG-T_myonneUPA&s=19

https://twitter.com/TisMeeks/status/1455015370520252418?t=hHUG5gmXILiNbDBOiDjDAA&s=19

https://twitter.com/Dako_Richy/status/1455287468601839623?t=9h3tVqz7RRoVkssQ3Ich8g&s=19

Don't be a Karen @jah

C'mon man, I've explicitly defended you when DKF talks **** and tags you in random posts. I'm just trying to keep it real and show objectivity by acknowledging when a guy who's usually wrong makes a decent point.

You don't have to agree with me--I think you've added some nuance to the OL point that proves me wrong. But what about any of what I said is Karen material?

 

[PScottman]

Really?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding. Everyone uses parts of every offensive system. EP always incorporated slants and ins. The Pats have never run a pure EP system, regardless of the OC.

NEM took it to the extreme regarding those as the best sure fire offensive route tree. It's not that the Patriots of those times DIDN'T run slants/in-cuts - it was that they didn't run it enough/at the right times/etc. In other words, the same revisionist "this would have worked" approach to posting after the game.

 

[PScottman]

JaWrong Bentley ****ing Sucks. Period.

Yes, your opinion is well and truly documented on this matter.

 

[PScottman]

I’m guessing ESPN or KFFL. ESPN had some pretty good message boards back in the day. Also made it easy to navigate to other teams boards to see what they are talking about.

And AOL...that's how far back it went.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

And people b!tched about Charlie Weis

Not me.

And, I had no problem with Grogan calling his own plays in the 80's.

 

[reflexblue]

NEM took it to the extreme regarding those as the best sure fire offensive route tree. It's not that the Patriots of those times DIDN'T run slants/in-cuts - it was that they didn't run it enough/at the right times/etc. In other words, the same revisionist "this would have worked" approach to posting after the game.

Yeah, he went to far, he would call Ian at home ranting about the board

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

C'mon man, I've explicitly defended you when DKF talks **** and tags you in random posts. I'm just trying to keep it real and show objectivity by acknowledging when a guy who's usually wrong makes a decent point.

You don't have to agree with me--I think you've added some nuance to the OL point that proves me wrong. But what about any of what I said is Karen material?

He wasn't saying Onwenu should go to RT bc of any skills or attributes Big Mike has. He thought Onwenu should play RT bc it's a more valuable position and bc of his size.

Those aren't points. Hey if I'm missing some insightful post @DropKickFlutie wrote please direct me to it lol. Again I have absolutely np giving credit when it's due. I've also admitted when I'm wrong way more than the norm here. DKF really doesn't bother me believe it or not. Even if he wants to talk about me I truly don't care. As long as he's not spamming my threads I absolutely have no problem with the guy at all. Again even if he wants to try to make fun of me as a Konstruction Daft guy lol. It's all good and rolls off my back.

I'm just not seeing any real points or a read on anything though. Just something he wanted to happen, happened. I'm happy for him esp if it helps the team I just don't see a guy who has a good read on anything. Not salty or mad just being honest man. I give **** to @captain stone all the time and think he's out of his mind and like him. I also know @captain stone is on the level and real fan. ****in delusional but he's a good dude. This isn't personal or like that at all. I don't dislike @DropKickFlutie or anything. Again keep the spam bs out my threads and Idc what someone thinks.



This is what I wrote ...
"People that constantly complain about play calling wouldn't last on football survivor island. They getting voted out and the tribe has spoken. I think they're the Karen's of the football world. Complaining to complain"

I really don't see anything wrong with it. Again this goes back to explanation, with me. To me it kind of matters if you know what you're talking to an extent. No one asking for a Belichick presentation. You should be able to make a decent argument after watching football your entire life, no? Provide something to back up your claim or what you think is a point. Don't just ***** about Josh, tell me where he's wrong or why he has should go?

I'm sorry but I see people that don't explain anything instead whinging on about 5 play calls. Sure the fade and a few others were bad but we're talking about 4-5 calls a game. You have any idea how foolish that is with all that Josh does? Literally every week about barely a handful of plays when Josh is game planning, developing Mac and helping him master the offense, play calling and 100 other things.

I'm not in love with McDaniels at all but all I see are people complaining to complain and not knowing what they're talking about. Bc again I'm not seeing any reasonable argument or point on McDaniels as to why he sucks at calling plays. I'm seeing moaning and venting about 3-4 run plays and a fade. That's why I called those people Karens.

I've said this before but that just shows me people don't watch other football/teams bc literally every fan base *****es about play calling and that's why I posted about 15 tweets showing that.

Sorry but that's really all I see with that crowd. Josh sucks bc of a few plays and complete ignorance in terms of everything else he does.

 

[sb1]

“You’re the sorriest corner in the league!” Lol


When even Troy Brown gets in on the taunting then you know they were real a-holes and the taunting was well earned.

Gotta love LdT crying like a little girl about the Pats mocking Merroid’s lights out dance. The same Merroid who talked about punching Brady in the face and doing the lights out dance over him.

That whole team including their coach kept running their mouths and they had this coming.

 

[captain stone]

...he started playing for CAR at his FIRST legal opportunity...

His first legal opportunity to play for them was one week ago Sunday, the 24th vs the Vagiants.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He wasn't saying Onwenu should go to RT bc of any skills or attributes Big Mike has. He thought Onwenu should play RT bc it's a more valuable position and bc of his size.

Those aren't points. Hey if I'm missing some insightful post @DropKickFlutie wrote please direct me to it lol. Again I have absolutely np giving credit when it's due. I've also admitted when I'm wrong way more than the norm here. DKF really doesn't bother me believe it or not. Even if he wants to talk about me I truly don't care. As long as he's not spamming my threads I absolutely have no problem with the guy at all. Again even if he wants to try to make fun of me as a Konstruction Daft guy lol. It's all good and rolls off my back.

I'm just not seeing any real points or a read on anything though. Just something he wanted to happen, happened. I'm happy for him esp if it helps the team I just don't see a guy who has a good read on anything. Not salty or mad just being honest man. I give **** to @captain stone all the time and think he's out of his mind and like him. I also know @captain stone is on the level and real fan. ****in delusional but he's a good dude. This isn't personal or like that at all. I don't dislike @DropKickFlutie or anything. Again keep the spam bs out my threads and Idc what someone thinks.



This is what I wrote ...
"People that constantly complain about play calling wouldn't last on football survivor island. They getting voted out and the tribe has spoken. I think they're the Karen's of the football world. Complaining to complain"

I really don't see anything wrong with it. Again this goes back to explanation, with me. To me it kind of matters if you know what you're talking to an extent. No one asking for a Belichick presentation. You should be able to make a decent argument after watching football your entire life, no? Provide something to back up your claim or what you think is a point. Don't just ***** about Josh, tell me where he's wrong or why he has should go?

I'm sorry but I see people that don't explain anything instead whinging on about 5 play calls. Sure the fade and a few others were bad but we're talking about 4-5 calls a game. You have any idea how foolish that is with all that Josh does? Literally every week about barely a handful of plays when Josh is game planning, developing Mac and helping him master the offense, play calling and 100 other things.

I'm not in love with McDaniels at all but all I see are people complaining to complain and not knowing what they're talking about. Bc again I'm not seeing any reasonable argument or point on McDaniels as to why he sucks at calling plays. I'm seeing moaning and venting about 3-4 run plays and a fade. That's why I called those people Karens.

I've said this before but that just shows me people don't watch other football/teams bc literally every fan base *****es about play calling and that's why I posted about 15 tweets showing that.

Sorry but that's really all I see with that crowd. Josh sucks bc of a few plays and complete ignorance in terms of everything else he does.

Pretty much in agreement and have been saying for years: most coordinators are neutral overall. Call 60 plays a game, win a few big ones, lose a few big ones, and 90% of the time the players/chance decide the outcome. Not a Josh fan, but he pretty much fits that mold. Unless they changed out the whole system to something much different (like McVay/LaFleur/Shanahan) they could bring in the next guy and he’d have similar results as McDaniels. If McDaniels is in fact dictating the team’s personnel decisions, scouting, draft, due to his own beliefs, then sure, get him out of here….trying to lowball and shy away from physical talent at WR doesn’t work without Brady, and wasn’t working anymore with him. But I doubt Josh has that power…I think it’s Bill who makes all those calls.

Not so complicated to see that with the Patriots personnel this year you’re looking to take advantage of “competent skill player depth” and must switch up personnel often because without creating positional mismatches, the unit will struggle. Lots of good players; no great ones.

If you want to see a scheme that actually makes a big difference, watch the Saints. They’ve been an outlier for 4-5 years, but few paid attention because Brees was there. In reality, Brees had been very limited for a long time. They brought in Bridgewater and reeled off five wins. Brees hurt? Winston does fine. Taysom Hill gives you a chance. All injured? Ehhh..let’s just have Siemien run it. Michael Thomas injured for two years? Whatever. Offense is a masterpiece. They’ll ultimately fail because the QB talent gap catches up to everyone eventually, but what they’ve done for so long deserve tremendous praise.

 

[The Trickster]

Thanks for the NEM information. I remember seeing some posts with the NEM reference after he vanished but didn't know enough about him.

Ironically also is used in text for "nothing else matters'

 

[TheRainMaker]

Barmore got robbed of a full sack. He clearly had Herbert wrapped up but the score keepers gave Judon a .5 sack.

 

[captain stone]

Final thoughts from Reiss on the game:

I especially agree with #11: Carl Davis has been ****ing terrible at the only dam thing he's asked to do. Time to give another wide-body a chance.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I especially agree with #11: Carl Davis has been ****ing terrible at the only dam thing he's asked to do.

I agree. Davis is a big disappointment. Huge strong guy that gets pushed around without double teams.

Did you see #10? Gunner was one of the best players on the field.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

He wasn't saying Onwenu should go to RT bc of any skills or attributes Big Mike has. He thought Onwenu should play RT bc it's a more valuable position and bc of his size.

Those aren't points. Hey if I'm missing some insightful post @DropKickFlutie wrote please direct me to it lol. Again I have absolutely np giving credit when it's due. I've also admitted when I'm wrong way more than the norm here. DKF really doesn't bother me believe it or not. Even if he wants to talk about me I truly don't care. As long as he's not spamming my threads I absolutely have no problem with the guy at all. Again even if he wants to try to make fun of me as a Konstruction Daft guy lol. It's all good and rolls off my back.

I'm just not seeing any real points or a read on anything though. Just something he wanted to happen, happened. I'm happy for him esp if it helps the team I just don't see a guy who has a good read on anything. Not salty or mad just being honest man. I give **** to @captain stone all the time and think he's out of his mind and like him. I also know @captain stone is on the level and real fan. ****in delusional but he's a good dude. This isn't personal or like that at all. I don't dislike @DropKickFlutie or anything. Again keep the spam bs out my threads and Idc what someone thinks.



This is what I wrote ...
"People that constantly complain about play calling wouldn't last on football survivor island. They getting voted out and the tribe has spoken. I think they're the Karen's of the football world. Complaining to complain"

I really don't see anything wrong with it. Again this goes back to explanation, with me. To me it kind of matters if you know what you're talking to an extent. No one asking for a Belichick presentation. You should be able to make a decent argument after watching football your entire life, no? Provide something to back up your claim or what you think is a point. Don't just ***** about Josh, tell me where he's wrong or why he has should go?

I'm sorry but I see people that don't explain anything instead whinging on about 5 play calls. Sure the fade and a few others were bad but we're talking about 4-5 calls a game. You have any idea how foolish that is with all that Josh does? Literally every week about barely a handful of plays when Josh is game planning, developing Mac and helping him master the offense, play calling and 100 other things.

I'm not in love with McDaniels at all but all I see are people complaining to complain and not knowing what they're talking about. Bc again I'm not seeing any reasonable argument or point on McDaniels as to why he sucks at calling plays. I'm seeing moaning and venting about 3-4 run plays and a fade. That's why I called those people Karens.

I've said this before but that just shows me people don't watch other football/teams bc literally every fan base *****es about play calling and that's why I posted about 15 tweets showing that.

Sorry but that's really all I see with that crowd. Josh sucks bc of a few plays and complete ignorance in terms of everything else he does.

None of this diahhrea text above, shows any understanding for why the OLine has looked REALLY GOOD and done a total 180 the last 2 weeks. Keep saying dumb things about Onwenu not being a right tackle or how Karras is supposedly bad even though he's played excellent. The OLine was pure garbage the first 5-6 weeks. I don't need a fake expert construction guy to make up 10 crappy reasons why the OLine the first 5 weeks should have theoretically worked, when it clearly did not. I am all about results. Even a total moron can reverse justify results but the real bad morons keep digging a hole and refuse to admit they are wrong. Face it bgc has been wrong about Onwenu, Karras, Mac, Barmore, a lot more if I care to spend a minute to think about it. Imagine thinking you're a football geek but none of your analysis is actually accurate, and you're actually just an often 100% wrong construction guy who lives vicariously on an online discussion board.

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