Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Bengals beat the Pats

[Ian]

They didn't play scared early on and Mac started lobbing balls to the other team. Mac reigned himself in

People also forget that 4 out of his first 5 picks were all to DeVante Parker… there’s a little more context there with those.

 

[Ian]

I disagree, Thornton had to slow way up, the ball took a turn to the left, Mac doesn't have the arm strength to cut through the wind. I've seen a lot of his throws taken of course by the elements, which is a velocity problem. Still the ball was catchable. But it was not a great throw

No, he’s not Russell Wilson but it was about as good as it could have been. It was high and far enough where Thornton was behind his man and it wasn’t contested. He just dropped it.

 

[VJCPatriot]

So we want to chalk this up as another 'moral victory'? That's just fools gold.

Reality check: The Patriots are 1-4 in their last 5 games.

26-33 loss to Vikings
10-24 loss to Bills
27-13 win over Cardinals
24-30 loss to Raiders
18-22 loss to Bengals.

It doesn't matter that 3 of our losses are 1 score games. They show the quality of this team. This team isn't making the playoffs and they've done nothing to make me think they belong there.

The Patriots are now 7-8. Two big Division games loom, and I don't see how we win them.

Next up Miami Dolphins at home.
To close the season Buffalo Bills at Buffalo.

I can't see us winning a game the rest of the season. That will end us on a 1-6 to close out the season. Where are these improvements?

We're using the same losing formula and getting the same results - LOSSES.

It's the definition of insanity to repeat the same things with the same players and same coaches and expect any different results.

Changes need to be made in the offseason at the very least.

I'd like to see changes made now, but we all know BB is too set in his ways to do any such thing in the middle of the season. Try to ask a question about why our offense keeps coming up short and he'll reply the same, "Our offense is fine. Our coaches are great. We just need to execute better." Dead stare. Same old Bill, same old results.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

So we want to chalk this up as another 'moral victory'? That's just fools gold.

Reality check: The Patriots are 1-4 in their last 5 games.

26-33 loss to Vikings
10-24 loss to Bills
27-13 win over Cardinals
24-30 loss to Raiders
18-22 loss to Bengals.

It doesn't matter that 3 of our losses are 1 score games. They show the quality of this team. This team isn't making the playoffs and they've done nothing to make me think they belong there.

The Patriots are now 7-8. Two big Division games loom, and I don't see how we win them.

Next up Miami Dolphins at home.
To close the season Buffalo Bills at Buffalo.

I can't see us winning a game the rest of the season. That will end us on a 1-6 to close out the season. Where are these improvements?

We're using the same losing formula and getting the same results - LOSSES.

It's the definition of insanity to repeat the same things with the same players and same coaches and expect any different results.

Changes need to be made in the offseason at the very least.

I'd like to see changes made now, but we all know BB is too set in his ways to do any such thing in the middle of the season. Try to ask a question about why our offense keeps coming up short and he'll reply the same, "Our offense is fine. Our coaches are great. We just need to execute better." Dead stare. Same old Bill, same old results.

So we want to chalk this up as another 'moral victory'? That's just fools gold.

Reality check: The Patriots are 1-4 in their last 5 games.

26-33 loss to Vikings
10-24 loss to Bills
27-13 win over Cardinals
24-30 loss to Raiders
18-22 loss to Bengals.

It doesn't matter that 3 of our losses are 1 score games. They show the quality of this team. This team isn't making the playoffs and they've done nothing to make me think they belong there.

The Patriots are now 7-8. Two big Division games loom, and I don't see how we win them.

Next up Miami Dolphins at home.
To close the season Buffalo Bills at Buffalo.

I can't see us winning a game the rest of the season. That will end us on a 1-6 to close out the season. Where are these improvements?

We're using the same losing formula and getting the same results - LOSSES.

It's the definition of insanity to repeat the same things with the same players and same coaches and expect any different results.

Changes need to be made in the offseason at the very least.

I'd like to see changes made now, but we all know BB is too set in his ways to do any such thing in the middle of the season. Try to ask a question about why our offense keeps coming up short and he'll reply the same, "Our offense is fine. Our coaches are great. We just need to execute better." Dead stare. Same old Bill, same old results.

The Belichick lovers will refuse to acknowledge that Belichick without Brady in terms of his entire coaching career against teams.500 or above has something like a 35% win ratio which is well below your average coach considered elite....Brady has proven he can win without Bill...Bill is getting exposed for what we now see and his loyalty to horrible coaches cause they are 'his buddies' is destroying this team.....never thought I'd say this so quickly but if this team is ever going to get back to being a top 10 team it has to go down sharply before it goes back up and that means bye bye to this coaching staff starting at the top..hoping Kraft sees the light and begins the rebuild sooner than later as we are currently on a downward spiral back to 1990 if Belichick remains in charge of this sinking ship ....

 

[Patsfan177a]

MANY people have said that JONES is as much of an issue as the Offensive Coaches.

How many times has Jones not recognized blitzes at the LOS? How many times has Jones completely missed open receivers because he stopped his progressions? How many times has Jones LOCKED onto a receiver, telegraphing where he's going with the ball?
Go ahead and explain how those issues are on the coaches?

Probably about the same amount as ANY nfl QB. Maybe less than most.

 

[Ollie]

This team, as bad as it is, with even a slightly more competent offense would be 9-6. To throw away a whole season on a ******** experiment to see if your mate can be an OC is not ok.

 

[Ollie]

The Belichick lovers will refuse to acknowledge that Belichick without Brady in terms of his entire coaching career against teams.500 or above has something like a 35% win ratio which is well below your average coach considered elite....Brady has proven he can win without Bill...Bill is getting exposed for what we now see and his loyalty to horrible coaches cause they are 'his buddies' is destroying this team.....never thought I'd say this so quickly but if this team is ever going to get back to being a top 10 team it has to go down sharply before it goes back up and that means bye bye to this coaching staff starting at the top..hoping Kraft sees the light and begins the rebuild sooner than later as we are currently on a downward spiral back to 1990 if Belichick remains in charge of this sinking ship ....

This year has proved that Brady can't win without decent coaching. And if you remove a hall of fame QB from lots of elite coaches win records many will look a lot worse. With even a slightly below average offense this team would be possibly 9-6 or maybe even 10-5. What BB did with the offense this year is borderline unforgivable but he is a good coach but he does need to be held accountable for a lost year.

 

[Patsfan177a]

But it was not a great throw

Maybe not a great throw, but definitely a good one.

 

[DaBruinz]

That’s definitely not the case. There have been games where opposing players talked about the fact Mac knew what they were doing. And if you watch the All 22, especially on the angle where the QB is facing the camera. You can see Mac’s eyes move.

And he’s said before that often times the progressions are based on the play design and the timing. Anything outside of that are “false realities”, which was the other buzz word. But the locking in part isn’t true. Although obviously there were a few throws he missed again today that were disappointing. And I doubt Jonnu Smith is thrilled with him after he got him killed.

Ian - I love you man. Merry X-Mas.
- It doesn't matter if Mac's eyes move if he stops his progressions.
- When he flat out doesn't look to one side of the field (which has happened numerous times) and he misses wide open receivers to throw into double or triple coverage, the whole "False Reality" buzz is nothing but him trying to C-H-A.
- It's very much true that Mac has, at times, locked on to receivers. It's been discussed ad naseum here by very knowledgeable posters. He's done it to Meyers, Henry and Agholor.
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[TomPatriot]

MANY people have said that JONES is as much of an issue as the Offensive Coaches.

How many times has Jones not recognized blitzes at the LOS? How many times has Jones completely missed open receivers because he stopped his progressions? How many times has Jones LOCKED onto a receiver, telegraphing where he's going with the ball?
Go ahead and explain how those issues are on the coaches?

Consider that he may know more about offensive football than his OC.

 

[Ollie]

I'm torn these days. I desperately want the team to win but i feel if we do it will paper over the cracks and make positive change less likely. I don't think this team is as far away as it looks. This year has been an uttter **** show in many ways but with even just an average offense we would be in the playoffs. On offense i think Rham and Strong next year with K Harris backing up would be decent and let Harris go. If we can keep Bourne and Meyers then the addition of a true No1 would elevate the WR group completely. Draft an OT and if we can find one in FA and the line would be much better. I would like to see Mac in a functioning offense to evaluate him properly. I'm not sure he is the answer and his antics do my head in but unless we bring in an experienced QB i don't think we are finding his replacement in this years draft so he might be our best option next year and we hope for a Tua like transformation. I'm off to wrap my pressies and eat my body weight in food. Marry Xmas all

 

[DaBruinz]

The Belichick lovers will refuse to acknowledge that Belichick without Brady in terms of his entire coaching career against teams.500 or above has something like a 35% win ratio which is well below your average coach considered elite....Brady has proven he can win without Bill...Bill is getting exposed for what we now see and his loyalty to horrible coaches cause they are 'his buddies' is destroying this team.....never thought I'd say this so quickly but if this team is ever going to get back to being a top 10 team it has to go down sharply before it goes back up and that means bye bye to this coaching staff starting at the top..hoping Kraft sees the light and begins the rebuild sooner than later as we are currently on a downward spiral back to 1990 if Belichick remains in charge of this sinking ship ....

The Brady LOVERS refuse to acknowledge that Brady couldn't get it done even with Good Coaching as he showed last year. And now, with bad coaching, it's even worse.

Bill isn't getting exposed. Like ANY ELITE coach, he can make mistakes. He's shown in the past he WILL move on from them. Just ask Corwin Brown and Dave Guglielmo.

Only a fool believes that destroying the ENTIRE coaching staff would result in the ship righting itself. The Pats have a very good Core on both side of the ball. They moved on from Weis to McDaniels. They moved on from McDaniels to BO'B. They moved on from BO'B to McDaniels. This move to Patricia clearly didn't work. The HOPE is that they'll move him back into whatever "Senior Advisor" position he had last year.

I stated before the season I didn't like the Patricia move. I waited to make a judgement on Judge, but he's proven to be part of the problem. You can REMOVE those two and replace them without destroying the entire staff.

Facts you're ignoring:
- The OL went through 5 RTs (Wynn, Herron, Cajuste, Cannon, McDermott). Name another team that has gone through 3 RTs in the same season, let alone 5, and been successful. Neither Patricia nor Belichick can plan for that.
- Trent Brown and Wynn both played like s**t most of the season. That was unexpected.
- This defense has shown that 1 or 2 players can make all the difference in the world between a Good Defense and a bad one. Not having Barmore and having to rely on Myles Bryant is indicative of this. Mills missing extended time hasn't helped either.

 

[DaBruinz]

Consider that he may know more about offensive football than his OC.

Maybe. Maybe not. Remember that Patricia was the DC for years against that Offense. So Patricia has to understand how to plan against it.
I'm not saying Patricia doesn't have blame. He does. People saying that Mac doesn't have issues are ignoring the things Mac is doing that have nothing to do with Patricia.

Clearly Jones play has been affected by the inconsistent play of the O-line. But the not recognizing the defense or calling out shifts when he should be looking right at a Safety that moved up to the line outside your TE and calling for a shift in the blocking. That's on Jones. He's been hit how many times off that left side by blitzers that he failed to recognize?

I'm not saying that Jones sucks. I'm saying that he has his own issues that aren't related to Patricia. They are likely related to Judge. I've already acknowledged that I believe that Judge was the issue with Daniel Jones so is likely not helping Mac Jones and should be replaced.

I don't understand why people have an issue with acknowledging that the problems extend to more than just the coaching.

 

[Patsfan177a]

No he did not. Thornton beat his man. A throw in stride would have given him a chance to beat the safety (assuming he caught it).

The throw was at least a couple yards short. He had to slow down and contort his body to give himself a chance. This made it a much harder catch than it needed to be and gave the DB the chance to catch up and make a play.

The DB did nothing. TT just dropped it.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

The amount of people who forget that Brady, Rodgers, Marino, Kelly, Elway, Montana, Young, et al, would flip their **** is astounding.

 

[1960Pats]

The smiling and laughing from offensive players after the fumble said it all for me.

They didn't seem to be taking the losing as seriously as the fans.

There are teams who find a way to win and there are teams like this year's Pats that find a way to lose.

 

[1960Pats]

3900/20TDs/7picks on a team with no oline or running game and a joke coaching staff.

2300/7TD/8picks.

Only someone who has not watched him play this year would call his play horrible.

Maybe you don't get it yet @ahmed. You can piss on Brady all you want here even if it's a clueless criticism.

 

[1960Pats]

Toms arm got stronger.

That's because he was working with Alex G.

 

[1960Pats]

It's done now. Everyone knows that.

I'm talking about winning games and going to the playoffs. Winning the games we just lost.

If I ever thought that my team was losing games to move up higher in the draft I'd go ballistic. That's a losing mentality and one that belongs to the Indiots of the world.

 

[1960Pats]

The call was fine. Incredible that the whistle wasn’t blown. Just a galactically incompetent call in a season that has seen scores of them.

This season has been an officiating mess. It's almost like they're purposely handicapping the games. I just wish I had kept a journal of all the blatant misses that I've seen.