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[Rob0729]

@Rob0729
Also check out this play:


And this commentary/visual

I didn't see this. Look how many of McKenzie's receptions were passes where he was in the slot on the right side of the line and caught it on the left sideline deep. That is on the pass rush. No slot receiver should be able to run a route from one side of the field to 15-20 yards deep on the other side of the field for a reception so consistently unless you are giving the QB all day to throw. Even with the quickest slot receivers, that is still a play that takes like over three seconds to develop.

And I would say at least two of those plays, Bryant's coverage wasn't bad.

 

[VrabelJr]

I didn't see this. Look how many of McKenzie's receptions were passes where he was in the slot on the right side of the line and caught it on the left sideline deep. That is on the pass rush. No slot receiver should be able to run a route from one side of the field to 15-20 yards deep on the other side of the field for a reception so consistently unless you are giving the QB all day to throw. Even with the quickest slot receivers, that is still a play that takes like over three seconds to develop.

And I would say at least two of those plays, Bryant's coverage wasn't bad.

On that play Allen gets rid of the ball just under 3 seconds and a Patriot is right in his face. Just a good play by Allen unfortunately.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Hope to see more of Beasley and less of McKenzie in this game.

I'd be lovin the Pats in this game if we were a little healthier. If we're unexpectedly down our LT and a starting CB, that's tough to overcome. Then you throw in the short rest after a tough trip to Miami, it's a lot of bad news & bad luck. Imagine how much better off we'd be right now if we could have just forfeited the Fins game, taken the L and never made the trip.

 

[Rob0729]

On that play Allen gets rid of the ball just under 3 seconds and a Patriot is right in his face. Just a good play by Allen unfortunately.

One play. Allen threw 47 times completing 30 of them. Even when the Patriots pressured Allen on throws in that game, many times it wasn't until 3-4 seconds clicked off the clock before they applied it allowing receivers to get open. Not all pressures are the same. If you only pressure a QB after he had plenty of time to wait for receivers to get open, that isn't a good pressure. And you only got the pressure because the QB held onto the ball until someone got open down the field rather than taking the check down when the intended target wasn't open immediately. Good pressure is only when you force the QB to throw the ball or scramble quickly after the snap.

 

[gitgronked82]

I didn't see this. Look how many of McKenzie's receptions were passes where he was in the slot on the right side of the line and caught it on the left sideline deep. That is on the pass rush. No slot receiver should be able to run a route from one side of the field to 15-20 yards deep on the other side of the field for a reception so consistently unless you are giving the QB all day to throw. Even with the quickest slot receivers, that is still a play that takes like over three seconds to develop.

And I would say at least two of those plays, Bryant's coverage wasn't bad.

I don’t think this is the right play to make that point on… at all. That is ABSOLUTELY on the coverage, not the pass rush (and it’s just a great play by Allen). We rush 4 guys and one of them beats his man immediately. You cannot rush better than Bentley did. That’s a great rep. Expecting better than that, consistently, would be insanity.
Bryant is outleveraged and outran. It’s a quick crosser, right off the snap of the ball. We need to scheme better and cover better.

 

[VrabelJr]

One play. Allen threw 47 times completing 30 of them. Even when the Patriots pressured Allen on throws in that game, many times it wasn't until 3-4 seconds clicked off the clock before they applied it allowing receivers to get open. Not all pressures are the same. If you only pressure a QB after he had plenty of time to wait for receivers to get open, that isn't a good pressure. Good pressure is only when you force the QB to throw the ball or scramble quickly after the snap.

In the last game Buffalo's strategy was clearly to pick us apart with quick short throws and it worked for three quarters of the game. I think it caught us off guard because that's not exactly Allen's forte but he executed it well that day.

 

[Rob0729]

In the last game Buffalo's strategy was clearly to pick us apart with quick short throws and it worked for three quarters of the game. I think it caught us off guard because that's not exactly Allen's forte but he executed it well that day.

That was in part because the Pats played a soft zone much of the first three quarters. They took what the Pats gave them. But Allen averaged over 10 yards per reception. And his longest pass was 28 yards. That isn't a lot of short quick throws. McKenzie averaged 11.4 YPC and if you look at his route chart for his receptions, he didn't have much YAC. and look at the video, there were four passes on it and two or three of them were clearly not short quick passes. And since a lot of his catches were crossing patterns, he ran upwards 30-40 yards before he caught the ball. So a lot of his catches were longer plays where Allen had time to let the play develop.

 

[italian pat patriot]

It's funny. A month or so ago, the Rams vs. the Cardinals would be the marquee game of the weekend (actually, people would have expected one of them to have the bye). Now it is two teams struggling that neither are likely to get past the division round.

Not so sure...imho...perhaps i am wrong but i still think Rams could be contenders with the Cheeseheads

 

[Sicilian]

Not so sure...imho...perhaps i am wrong but i still think Rams could be contenders with the Cheeseheads

I think the Rams can play with anybody when they play to their potential. The big question is can they do that consistently for four weeks in a row, and how much of Stafford's previous playoff stinkers was him and how much was the Lions.

 

[‘Mondre]

"She'll like it, too"

…trust me

 

[Rob0729]

Phil Perry just said that Stefon Diggs told Josh Allen that he needs to throw down the velocity of his passes in cold weather games. Claims it is too hard to catch the ball in the cold. How did Buffalo build a team that is so not built to play in cold weather?

 

[Patnation21]

I won't try to argue the Pats should be favorites, but here's a few things that may help:

1) Despite how much better the Bills looked in the last game, they were a JC Jackson dropped INT (which is rare when he gets his hands on it) away from having the ball back late in the 4th down 1 score, with the offense having scored on it's last two possessions I think.

2) The Miami game needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Much better Patriots teams have lost to much worse Dolphin teams historically down there. It sucks that we lost, and there were some things that pissed me off about how it happened, but I almost chuck those games out when trying to evaluate this team every year, because it's the freakin' twilight zone down there.

3) I don't think the Bills are chokers by any means. But the playoffs are almost a different game, and you just don't know how some players will/won't react to the atmosphere and pressure. This isn't to say that should make you think the Pats are going to automatically play better, but that once you get in the dance, unless you're someone like Tom Brady who has a massive track record of coming through, it really is "Everyone is 0-0".

The Bills were also a Levi Wallace pick away from running away with the game. it would have been the Bills 3rd pick of the game, the ball sailed right through his arms. They also dropped 2 easy TD's. They had zero punts because they got points on every single drive. We got beat bad that day, the final score is flattering.

 

[jdlboot14]

In the 2nd Bills game we were without Agholor and Stevenson, and Jonnu was hardly on the field with no targets.
I think getting all 3 of those guys the ball on the move will help us - bubble screens, quick slants, stretch plays - we have to loosen up their front 7

 

[slash83]

In the 2nd Bills game we were without Agholor and Stevenson, and Jonnu was hardly on the field with no targets.
I think getting all 3 of those guys the ball on the move will help us - bubble screens, quick slants, stretch plays - we have to loosen up their front 7

Bourne also hardly played due to coming off COVid.

 

[Rob0729]

In the 2nd Bills game we were without Agholor and Stevenson, and Jonnu was hardly on the field with no targets.
I think getting all 3 of those guys the ball on the move will help us - bubble screens, quick slants, stretch plays - we have to loosen up their front 7

Jonnu Smith has done nothing all year. I think you are talking Kendrick Bourne who was on the COVID list that week and was used sparingly.

 

[Sicilian]

The Bills were also a Levi Wallace pick away from running away with the game. it would have been the Bills 3rd pick of the game, the ball sailed right through his arms. They also dropped 2 easy TD's. They had zero punts because they got points on every single drive. We got beat bad that day, the final score is flattering.

I don't mean to imply that the Pats should have won, or that we should only focus on the "ifs and buts" on their side. It just means that, for as badly as we got outplayed, the game was still right there at the end. This means that the corrections needed to compete are not drastic. Doesn't mean they'll happen, just means it shouldn't take a wild imagination to picture how things could go differently.

 

[captain stone]

The Bills were also a Levi Wallace pick away from running away with the game. it would have been the Bills 3rd pick of the game, the ball sailed right through his arms. They also dropped 2 easy TD's. They had zero punts because they got points on every single drive. We got beat bad that day, the final score is flattering.

Yep, that game was a no-doubter L.o.s.s... same as the Saints game... And I'm not as upset about the TB loss either...

Those other 4 losses, OTOH...

 

[GreenCow]

I thought you brought in fresh perspectives and were pretty civil in your discussions. And you should root and support your team, that's what fans are for... As a fan sometimes you feel the need to have opposing viewpoints but personally I did not feel you were overstaying.

We are not used to being considered underdogs against you guys , so sometimes those feelings vent out against your team and indirectly you...if you can take that sportively we should be fine I guess.

Thank you.

 

[SVN]

Excellent analysis by Warner. This is exactly the issue that is holding back the offense. The offense overall has been good, but Jones penchant to check down puts them in a position to need to drive the field in small chunks and the chunk plays that make the offense dynamic and better against good opponents are missing.
The question is are the chains on him by the coaching staff or is he limiting himself. Solve this problem and we can beat anyone.
Im in the middle of breaking this down and hopefully will have it posted tomorrow.

In other words he is a rookie.

 

[SVN]

I didn't see this. Look how many of McKenzie's receptions were passes where he was in the slot on the right side of the line and caught it on the left sideline deep. That is on the pass rush. No slot receiver should be able to run a route from one side of the field to 15-20 yards deep on the other side of the field for a reception so consistently unless you are giving the QB all day to throw. Even with the quickest slot receivers, that is still a play that takes like over three seconds to develop.

And I would say at least two of those plays, Bryant's coverage wasn't bad.

Lazar during the game lamented the game plan putting bryant on an island with this fast guy and not adjusting all game.