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Maybe we should start a poll asking who considers themselves a "homer". I know a year or two ago I asked what a "homer" was because that was being used back then too. No one had a real answer.

My question is, how can you love a team, be a fan of that team (root word fanatic), and not be a "homer"?
Well Nut to answer your question IMO here is what I think a 'Homer' is

1) You think that Belichick is god and can do absolutely nothing wrong with any move he makes - He never judges wrong

2) You think that almost every player on this team is better than any other player in the league

3) Any Loss in a major game was the fault of the officials call on the field not for mistakes the team made or play called

4) Any player who is not showing talent on this team should get 5 years on the team before he is a bust - Other teams players (for instance Reggie Bush) who do not show something special immediately are busts in thier first year or two.

5) When Brady has a bad game you blame it on the receivers who were not in tune with Tom,You think Tom is mistake free and its the receivers who mess up,not the star player

6) When a player is not performing as well as they had in years past you look upon injuries as an excuse even though the team thought he was good enough to be on the field you say its the injuries as to why he is not once what he was


I have been a fan and I mean a BIG one since 1978 as evidenced by my Pats shrine at home (and in eagles/steelers country at that) but I am far from thinking this team makes no mistakes and I know Belichick is far from perfect -


Is BB the best coach in the league? - Yes,for now

Does BB screw up with draft picks and free agents that don't work out like all others do? - You bet

To sum it up ,a Homer is a fan who is close to delusional thinking that the team is perfect and never criticizes anything and I can't agree with that,I think the best fan in the world should have some objective opinions at times as long as it is not excessive,But of course being objective won't change things but I think there is nothing wrong with displaying your dissaproval even if its in a forum like this that the Patriots organization itself does not give a crap about or what we think.

I myself am just a huge fan that never misses or forgets about a game - But I know this team is not going to win Super Bowls every year - Its sad, but I think some in here really do believe that the team will win every single year and all 31 teams don't have a chance.
To some fans in here,making the playoffs just about every year is not good enough - There are the Homers who really need to get a dose of reality,I would love to see a Super Bowl victory every year but I have the brains to know its simply beyond impossible.
 
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As a homer I agree and I want Brady to pick up his fourth ring and third SB MVP so bad I can taste it, but in my heart of hearts I know that Joe Montana never lost an SB when he had the ball in his hands, an FG behind, with 90 seconds left and one of the best two or three receivers in the history of the NFL in formation with him. We can blame the line. We can blame his ankle. We can blame poor coaching throughout the game and an unfathomable decision to go for it on fourth and forever at the 35 yard line...on turf...in a dome. We can blame the fact that he had no timeouts and was on his own 13 yard line. We can blame whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that Joe Montana is still the greatest ever.

God, can't we just forget about that nightmare and start the mother luvin season?

Brady had 35 seconds. Not 90.
 
Gotta love the Montana homers. I wonder how many translated into Favre homers.

Note:

At this point in his career, Montana didn't lose a perfect season by a last minute miracle play in the SB. He was coming off a major back injury and had a "Young" dude threatening his job. You might want to review pre 1988.

If TB wins 5 SB's, that's better than 4 SB's. Why anyone would ever think being 4-0 in SB would be better than 5-1 is beyond dumb.

Montana never played in the "parity" era. People forget that the SB winners 1980-1995:

49er's 5
Cowboys 3
Redskins 3
Giants 2
Raiders 2
Bears 1

Hardly a parity league. If anything it proves that Montana was a (West Coast) "system" QB who got lucky with a coach.
 
Brady had 35 seconds. Not 90.

I stand corrected. It doesn't change my view as legends are made in those circumstances, but you are right (to be honest, I haven't watched a tape or any replays of the game and was unable even to read about it afterwards. I misremembered it as 90 seconds and turned the TV off as soon as it was over. thanks)
 
I stand corrected. It doesn't change my view as legends are made in those circumstances, but you are right (to be honest, I haven't watched a tape or any replays of the game and was unable even to read about it afterwards. I misremembered it as 90 seconds and turned the TV off as soon as it was over. thanks)

Don't blame you... I haven't watched it either, I just remember that sinking feeling in my stomach when I thought, "Crap, TD... well, we've still got time for Brady to... crap, 35 seconds, that's it?!"

I agree that legends are made in that time, but that's just way too little time with no timeouts. He'd have to go minimum 52 yards to set up a 52 yard FG for a kicker they didn't trust on 4th and a billion during a NON pressure part of the game. If he'd actually had 90 seconds, I would agree with you.

Also, you could argue that his clutch moment was the drive before when he put the Pats ahead. There was just too much time left and the D couldn't finish off what had been a tremendous game for them thus far.
 
Homer = Jets fans who think they're goin 16-0 cuz they now have favre.
 
Homer = Jets fans who think they're goin 16-0 cuz they now have favre.

Often confused for the:

Ball-Washer = Favre fan who thinks the Jets are going 16-0 because they now have Favre.
 
Don't blame you... I haven't watched it either, I just remember that sinking feeling in my stomach when I thought, "Crap, TD... well, we've still got time for Brady to... crap, 35 seconds, that's it?!"

I agree that legends are made in that time, but that's just way too little time with no timeouts. He'd have to go minimum 52 yards to set up a 52 yard FG for a kicker they didn't trust on 4th and a billion during a NON pressure part of the game. If he'd actually had 90 seconds, I would agree with you.

Also, you could argue that his clutch moment was the drive before when he put the Pats ahead. There was just too much time left and the D couldn't finish off what had been a tremendous game for them thus far.

Thanks. and I will say that that's as nicely as I've ever been told to "stuff it." (That's a compliment!) You're probably right and you certainly know what you're talking about. I still sometimes think I'm going to wake up and find it's Sunday morning and the Super Bowl's on at 6:00 and I wonder how I'm gonna get through the day until it starts and we go 19--0. Other times I see Brady dropping back with (35!!!) seconds on the clock and completing a bomb to Randy at the Giants 45 and Moss breaks two tackles on his way to the endzone and the greatest play...

Oh well, Onward and upward!
 
Gotta love the Montana homers. I wonder how many translated into Favre homers.

Note:

At this point in his career, Montana didn't lose a perfect season by a last minute miracle play in the SB. He was coming off a major back injury and had a "Young" dude threatening his job. You might want to review pre 1988.

If TB wins 5 SB's, that's better than 4 SB's. Why anyone would ever think being 4-0 in SB would be better than 5-1 is beyond dumb.

Montana never played in the "parity" era. People forget that the SB winners 1980-1995:

49er's 5
Cowboys 3
Redskins 3
Giants 2
Raiders 2
Bears 1

Hardly a parity league. If anything it proves that Montana was a (West Coast) "system" QB who got lucky with a coach.

Whoa there, fella. Giving Joe Montana his due doesn't translate into being a homer for any other team and certainly doesn't translate into being a Favre-ite, or whatever.

And, I don't like being called "beyond dumb" and I suspect I know a boatload more about the NFL pre 1988 than you do.

Yes, I do think there's something to be said for QB's who went undefeated in all four SB's in which they appeared and I also happen to think that going 4--1 or 5--1 would be beyond great as well. But the facts are that two guys are still undefeated at 4--0 in SB's and no one's gone 4--1 or 5--1 yet, as much as I'd like TB to do so.

And, if you're tossing around stats about parity, the SB era began in 1966/67 and the Cap/FA era actually started in 92/93, not 1995.

So the four Montana SB's were pre parity, three with Walsh and one with Seifert, but the Young/Seifert SB came after it.

The Noll/Bradshaw Steelers won all four SB's in which they appear pre-Cap/FA.

The Cowboys won three SB's pre-Cap/FA, appearing in six (four wins and and seven appearances if you count the transition season of 1993/94 with essentially the same team as 1992/93 with Johnson and Aikman, but not the 1995/96 Switzer/Aikman team).

The Dolphins appeared in five pre-Cap/FA SB's winning only two.

The Redskins actually appeared in five pre-Cap/FA SB's, winning three (all with Gibbs, who won them with three different QB's) and losing two (one with Allen and one with Gibbs).

The Raiders appeared in four pre-Cap/FA SB's, winning three of them, one with Madden/Stabler and two with Flores/Plunkett. The loss was with Rauch/Lamonica.

The Vikings appeared in four pre-Cap/FA SB's, losing all of them. The Bills appeared in three or four, depending on how you view the 93/94 season, losing all as well.

Rounding it out, the Pack, Colts, Chiefs and Giants all appeared in two pre-Cap/FA SB's.

The most interesting stat comparing the pre and post "parity" eras is the one that shows that teams that went to the SB pre-Cap/FA went an average of 2.84 times each and the teams that have gone since the Cap/FA era began have gone an average of only 1.3 times each.

Since the Cap/FA era began, only one team has gone to fives SB's and only one team has won three, the Patriots. Only five other teams have gone to more than one SB since the Cap/FA era began (all went twice): the Cowboys (if you include 93/94 as a post Cap/FA season), the Steelers, the Pack, the Rams and the Giants.

Only one QB has gone to four SB's since the Cap/FA era began, Tom Brady.

Only Aikman (once again, if you consider 93/94 as post-Cap/FA), Elway, Favre and Warner have gone to more than one in that same time (two each).

Only Aikman (2), Brady (3), and Elway (2) have won more than one post-Cap/FA SB.

So, my point is that one can give full credit to what Joe Montana (and, BTW, Terry Bradshaw) accomplished without (a) dissing Tom Brady, (b) elevating Brett Favre beyond where he belongs, (c) being "beyond dumb" and (d) being unaware of the NFL "before 1988" (if you want to discuss the AAFC and the AFL sometime, let me know--and I don't mean the AFL that started in 1960, but the original AFL).

Just be careful whom you call out on this board, that's all.
 
Well Nut to answer your question IMO here is what I think a 'Homer' is

1) You think that Belichick is god and can do absolutely nothing wrong with any move he makes - He never judges wrong

2) You think that almost every player on this team is better than any other player in the league

3) Any Loss in a major game was the fault of the officials call on the field not for mistakes the team made or play called

4) Any player who is not showing talent on this team should get 5 years on the team before he is a bust - Other teams players (for instance Reggie Bush) who do not show something special immediately are busts in thier first year or two.

5) When Brady has a bad game you blame it on the receivers who were not in tune with Tom,You think Tom is mistake free and its the receivers who mess up,not the star player

6) When a player is not performing as well as they had in years past you look upon injuries as an excuse even though the team thought he was good enough to be on the field you say its the injuries as to why he is not once what he was


I have been a fan and I mean a BIG one since 1978 as evidenced by my Pats shrine at home (and in eagles/steelers country at that) but I am far from thinking this team makes no mistakes and I know Belichick is far from perfect -


Is BB the best coach in the league? - Yes,for now

Does BB screw up with draft picks and free agents that don't work out like all others do? - You bet

To sum it up ,a Homer is a fan who is close to delusional thinking that the team is perfect and never criticizes anything and I can't agree with that,I think the best fan in the world should have some objective opinions at times as long as it is not excessive,But of course being objective won't change things but I think there is nothing wrong with displaying your dissaproval even if its in a forum like this that the Patriots organization itself does not give a crap about or what we think.

I myself am just a huge fan that never misses or forgets about a game - But I know this team is not going to win Super Bowls every year - Its sad, but I think some in here really do believe that the team will win every single year and all 31 teams don't have a chance.
To some fans in here,making the playoffs just about every year is not good enough - There are the Homers who really need to get a dose of reality,I would love to see a Super Bowl victory every year but I have the brains to know its simply beyond impossible.

Then you have shown there is no such thing as a homer because no one has ever met that criteria.
No one has ever stated any of the things you are saying to the degree you are saying them.
Example: We all agree BB is the best coach in the NFL. That means that comments about him will be decidedly more positive than negative. However if someone 'takes his side' on something, and your response is they are homer, you are concluding that they are saying BB can never be wrong, which isnt the case. Most likely they are right, because he is the best coach in the NFL.
BY YOUR OWN DEFINTION, NO ONE COMMENT CAN EQUAL BEING A HOMER it would have to be a pattern of blindly ignoring reality.
 
Well Nut to answer your question IMO here is what I think a 'Homer' is

1) You think that Belichick is god and can do absolutely nothing wrong with any move he makes - He never judges wrong

2) You think that almost every player on this team is better than any other player in the league

3) Any Loss in a major game was the fault of the officials call on the field not for mistakes the team made or play called

4) Any player who is not showing talent on this team should get 5 years on the team before he is a bust - Other teams players (for instance Reggie Bush) who do not show something special immediately are busts in thier first year or two.

5) When Brady has a bad game you blame it on the receivers who were not in tune with Tom,You think Tom is mistake free and its the receivers who mess up,not the star player

6) When a player is not performing as well as they had in years past you look upon injuries as an excuse even though the team thought he was good enough to be on the field you say its the injuries as to why he is not once what he was


I have been a fan and I mean a BIG one since 1978 as evidenced by my Pats shrine at home (and in eagles/steelers country at that) but I am far from thinking this team makes no mistakes and I know Belichick is far from perfect -


Is BB the best coach in the league? - Yes,for now

Does BB screw up with draft picks and free agents that don't work out like all others do? - You bet

To sum it up ,a Homer is a fan who is close to delusional thinking that the team is perfect and never criticizes anything and I can't agree with that,I think the best fan in the world should have some objective opinions at times as long as it is not excessive,But of course being objective won't change things but I think there is nothing wrong with displaying your dissaproval even if its in a forum like this that the Patriots organization itself does not give a crap about or what we think.

I myself am just a huge fan that never misses or forgets about a game - But I know this team is not going to win Super Bowls every year - Its sad, but I think some in here really do believe that the team will win every single year and all 31 teams don't have a chance.
To some fans in here,making the playoffs just about every year is not good enough - There are the Homers who really need to get a dose of reality,I would love to see a Super Bowl victory every year but I have the brains to know its simply beyond impossible.

And by the way, you seem to be implying that you are the judge of who is a better fan. Why would someones 'fandom' be judged by how close they resemble your thinking?
If one fan is pessimistic and fears every game is a certain loss, but another is optimistic and thinks the team could never lose, what does either of those perspectives have to do with whether they are a good fan or not?
 
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