Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Deus Irae]

I was saying this last weekend, but I think Tyler Johnson is firmly entrenched as the fifth receiver and safely on the 53-man roster.

 

[Deus Irae]

Dana White says Brady and Gronk to the Raiders "was almost a done deal."

 

[XLIX]

After watching the Bucs’ QBs tonight, Brady should demand a raise and more time off.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

so the OL is the CB of last year injury wise

 

[Deus Irae]

so the OL is the CB of last year injury wise

Looking that way so far

 

[Guts]

Looking that way so far

I'd stay retired if I were Tom lmao

 

[1960Pats]

I like bills approach to WRs for the most part. Of course you are right in saying having Brady for 20 years helped immensely, but it should still be the best approach over a long period of time. Year to year anything can work out or fail but spreading money around is safer than having the best best wr1. If Jones is decisive to help the line we have the tools to move the chains. It helps when you draft a guy like gronk too.

I remember discussing Bill's spread-the-wealth approach when he arrived here. I approved it then and it should add more depth.

It didn't help though when Bill let Brady and Gronk go. Many also argued at the time that letting Big Sey go was a mistake. Now the only place you can be critical of the Pats HC is here in the Brady forum. That's odd.

 

[1960Pats]

AB was cheap for the Bucs in 20 and 21. It worked great for 20 not so much for 21.

The 19 season issue was that too many risks were made on the offensive side of the ball and they all failed.

First they got cute negotiating with Adam Humphreys and botched it. Although that was good because he would have been a bust signing.

They waited on Gronk to make his retirement decision missing out on the only decent vet TE in Cook.

The one I hated the most was the draft. AJ Brown was the most pro ready Wr and yelling when Nkeal Harry was picked over him and DJ Metcalf. Just think if AJ Brown was taken how much better that offense is.

Demarious Thomas was good the first few games of the season playing for Jets, they should have kept him over Josh Gordon.

AB should not have been cut once they signed him and cut Thomas.

They could have AJ Brown and AB on the outside with Edelman in the slot.

Instead Kraft due to his * scandle had AB cut and due to Bill's sucking at drafting WRs the 2019 offense failed.

It was a missed year due to poor drafting by Bill and poor decision making by Kraft

The 19 offense was also weakened because of injuries. They lost a couple of OL and both fullbacks.

 

[1960Pats]

Indeed, and now that you've divorced yourself from the Patriots, you're gonna have to find another team to root for soon. Tampa's gonna suck once Tom goes to Fox next season and all their overpriced vets and their deferred cap hits force their window shut. Let's see how Todd Bowels picks up the pieces when he returns to having a talent level like the Jets teams he used to coach had. Might have been nice to have an offensive minded coach around, but Tom sent him packing. Probably going to have to do what they did before Tom got there, suck for a decade solid so they can clear out the vets and cherry pick the draft.

At least you admit that it's Brady that gets the wins and not the HC. Too bad Bill didn't see it that way huh?

 

[1960Pats]

Good points.

I think ultimately Tampa is okay with the Brady experiment even if it means they're cap strapped for the next few years. They got a SB and the value of the team went up a lot when Tom got there.

Tampa has gained a fraction of what Bob & Bill made from Brady. I wonder if Bob has regrets.

 

[Bill Lee]

At least you admit that it's Brady that gets the wins and not the HC. Too bad Bill didn't see it that way huh?

That's OK, at least you admit you're no longer a Patriots fan yet still hang out at a Patriots fan forum.

 

[Bill Lee]

Meanwhile, in Tampa:

 

[RicoG]

Good points.

I think ultimately Tampa is okay with the Brady experiment even if it means they're cap strapped for the next few years. They got a SB and the value of the team went up a lot when Tom got there.

It only takes 1 or 2 years to clear out the dead cap, then a team can go back to splurging. The Pats did it in 1 year.

 

[Bill Lee]

It only takes 1 or 2 years to clear out the dead cap, then a team can go back to splurging. The Pats did it in 1 year.

The Patriots did it because they hit on a rookie QB with pick #15.

They didn't need to trade up for a better rookie, or do anything crazy (CLE, anyone?) to get a vet QB.

Time will tell how Tampa's transition goes.

 

[RicoG]

I remember discussing Bill's spread-the-wealth approach when he arrived here. I approved it then and it should add more depth.

It didn't help though when Bill let Brady and Gronk go. Many also argued at the time that letting Big Sey go was a mistake. Now the only place you can be critical of the Pats HC is here in the Brady forum. That's odd.

1. It was a fine approach with overall good drafting for 15 years until about 2014.

2. The Goat QB for 18 years until 2019.

3. Discount on star players, the Goat included.

And 4. good coaching.

By 2019, the Pat's had bad overall drafting for 5 years. Was soon to have no QB. Had star players leaving, retired, or becoming over the hill. The writing was on the wall that all they'd have is good coaching for 2020.

The Pats didn't go all in 2019 because they thought they could just keep on being a SB contender without Brady. It was arrogance and overconfidence as they thought they still had the ingredients for that winning formula when they obviously did not.

 

[VectorPrime]

In the 2019 preseason Brady had Josh Gordon and Demarius Thomas as his two great outside receiver hopes after Harry was put on the short term IR after getting hurt in the first preseason game. Thomas was cut before week 1 (which allegedly pissed Brady off) and then the AB experiment dropped in our laps but then blew up a week later so that was a waste. And then Gordon was cut because the Pats knew he was off the wagon again and he was suspended a couple weeks after signing with the Seahawks.

So basically the entire receiving corp was a disaster and the best TE we had was a 38 year old Ben Watson. And in the running game Trent Brown was gone and replaced by a mediocre Wynn and we lost BOTH fullbacks to IR and suddenly Sony turned out to be garbage without them. So that was the end of that strategy.

I think the 2019 offense in terms of skill position players was the worst Brady ever had. I’d take 2013, 2006, and 2009 over it.

 

[Guts]

Stinnie is gone

 

[Guts]

 

[Bill Lee]

Stinnie is gone

 

[TheRainMaker]

In the 2019 preseason Brady had Josh Gordon and Demarius Thomas as his two great outside receiver hopes after Harry was put on the short term IR after getting hurt in the first preseason game. Thomas was cut before week 1 (which allegedly pissed Brady off) and then the AB experiment dropped in our laps but then blew up a week later so that was a waste.

Among many things in 2019, Bill really handled Thomas poorly. Thomas was cut in August, but then agreed to re-sign with the team because he was under the impression he had a spot on the team. Then he was traded two weeks later to the Jets once Brown signed, yet keeps Gordon who quit on the team one year earlier during their playoff run to do drugs.

It was one of many idiotic/classless moves by Bill in 2019.

Demaryius Thomas calls trade from Patriots to Jets 'insulting'

New York Jets wideout Demaryius Thomas is content, but he felt disrespected when the New England Patriots traded him, saying the move was "insulting."

www.usatoday.com