Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[1960Pats]

Dude it’s just a sport

It was just an expression... dude.

 

[amfootball]

For the heck of it, I just watched for the first time in years one of those Stephen A. Smith debate clips on ESPN.com. He was debating RG3.

It’s incredible how not only idiotic they are but also factually misinformed.

RG3 brings up that Gronk changes Brady’s legacy because he was so good it meant Brady always had a security blanket.

SAS yells that’s crazy because Brady won 3 SBs without him (incorrect: Gronk was injured in 2016, so Brady won 4 without him.)

RG3 takes this to mean you can subtract 7-4 and Brady only won 3 SBs without Gronk, which is less than Montana.

SAS brings up that Montana had Jerry Rice, just like Brady had Gronk (omits that Montana didn’t have Rice for his first two SB wins in 81 and 84.)

Both yell at each other.

************.

For 20+ years now the media has tried to diminish Brady's success. The only answer I can come up with is that the silly debates drive viewership.

 

[RicoG]

Money surely was (and is) a factor for Rob Gronkowski

In a normal late-June week, news that the greatest tight end in NFL history has retired for a second time would be the biggest story of the week. But this isn’t a normal week. And, as a resul…

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Dudes. I give it a 50% chance that Gronk will be back before the 1st game. And if not, a 25% chance he is back in mid-season. I seriously doubt he comes back in 2023 though.

I wouldn't say the article is spot on but money might be an issue 15 mil is the highest paid TE and 11 mil is the franchise tag. Gronk is at least worth the franchise tag and that's more than what he has ever made.

 

[RicoG]

We've discussed how Gronk wasn't treated the best by NE but Bucs messed up too. They pushed him to come back from his rib injury too early.

Gronk had to speak out about his injury because Arians and the medical staff were essentially saying it was nothing serious. Punctured lung and crack ribs not serious?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

There's always excuses.
Here are the incredibly great players the Pats have traded or given away over the years.
Seymour - They didn't win for 10 years after he was traded.
Law - Wasn't his a money issue?
Vinatieri - Another loss over money. I'm seeing a pattern.
Brady - Money and quitting on the guy, or thinking that he'd play one year at a time for peanuts. What a stupid mistake.
Gronk - The greatest all-around player in NYFL history and a load and a half. They pissed him off beyond repair.
Gilmore - Maybe the Pats skate because of his potential injury problem, but he's another top talent that got away.
Am I missing anyone?

You forgot The Twig

 

[amfootball]

We've discussed how Gronk wasn't treated the best by NE but Bucs messed up too. They pushed him to come back from his rib injury too early.

Gronk had to speak out about his injury because Arians and the medical staff were essentially saying it was nothing serious. Punctured lung and crack ribs not serious?

I think Gronk's bigger issue was his contract and when Bill threatened to trade him to Detriot. And don't forget the Eagles SB where he was having himself a game only to see Butler benched. The offensive players coming out of the SB were steamed. Remember how mad Dola was?

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs to open 12 practices to season ticket holders, other guests - ProFootballTalk

 

[Deus Irae]

Last week, we pointed out that a negotiated resolution of Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson‘s discipline was possible, but not likely. The problem was that Watson, as of last week, was determined to clear his name.

With Watson settling 20 of the 24 cases pending against him, that possibly will lay the foundation for a settlement between the league, the union, and Watson.

Josina Anderson of CBS Sports reports that negotiations have indeed occurred. However, talks “fell apart” regarding the extent of the punishment.

Report: Settlement talks between NFL, NFLPA, and Deshaun Watson "fell apart" - ProFootballTalk

 

[VectorPrime]

If the Bucs are only willing to pay Gronk like $5 million he might very well be taking the position of “you want to pay me half of what (I think) I’m worth? Well fine, I’ll show up Week 9 and play half the games it’s cool.” Which is annoying but I will definitely tolerate it if he stays in football shape.

 

[Deus Irae]

TAMPA BAY

Rookies 7/23; Veterans 7/26

NEW ENGLAND

Rookies 7/19; Veterans 7/26

NFL announces training camp start dates for all 32 teams - ProFootballTalk

 

[Tunescribe]

Spot on. Brady covered for so many of bills mishaps over the years. It is becoming painfully obvious that his teambuilding approach does not work at all without having a transcendent QB. He has made a ton of mistakes recently not just Gilmore but also Brady, Gronk, Mason. Not to mention his draft picks and FA signings.

What an utter load of nonsense.

 

[RicoG]

If the Bucs are only willing to pay Gronk like $5 million he might very well be taking the position of “you want to pay me half of what (I think) I’m worth? Well fine, I’ll show up Week 9 and play half the games it’s cool.” Which is annoying but I will definitely tolerate it if he stays in football shape.

Gronk got paid about 10 mil in 2020 and 9 mil in 2021. Bucs were probably looking to pay him around the same in 2022.

If Gronk comes back before the 1st game, I don't think it will be for anything less than 12mil. The price for good pass catchers has shot way up and Gronk won't play for a discount anymore.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Gronk comes back to play less than half the regular season. Works into shape & sync for post season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Report: NFL seeks indefinite suspension of Deshaun Watson, lasting at least one year - ProFootballTalk

 

[venecol]

Report: NFL seeks indefinite suspension of Deshaun Watson, lasting at least one year - ProFootballTalk

Why are you posting Watson stuff here when there's already a Watson thread on the main board? Just curious.

 

[VectorPrime]

Gronk comes back to play less than half the regular season. Works into shape & sync for post season.

It’s not the worst idea for a guy who is snake bitten regarding random injuries.

 

[Deus Irae]

Why are you posting Watson stuff here when there's already a Watson thread on the main board? Just curious.

I've posted it in both. It's a big story that goes beyond just its own part (potential impact on league).

 

[Tunescribe]

Why are you posting Watson stuff here when there's already a Watson thread on the main board? Just curious.

Apparently he wants his minions to be informed since many of them don't peruse the Patriots forum.

 

[RicoG]

What are the odds Gronk will unretire?

After retiring for the second time, oddsmakers at odds if we’ll see Gronk suit up again

deadspin.com

Vegas odds of Gronk coming back is 42%. Not bad odds. I'm holding out hope.

 

[RicoG]

Apparently he wants his minions to be informed since many of them don't peruse the Patriots forum.

Players are the main reason I follow the NFL. Brady is about 50% of it. Gronk/Edelman was maybe 25%. Other favorite players are exciting veterans with HOF potential Evans, Suh, AB. Not many players left to keep me hooked as a fan of the NFL.

Pats are just not as exciting to follow right now. They don't have many players with distinguished resumes or rookies with all world talent.