Content Post Offensive Line AND QB/WR Tape Review Seattle

[Uptown]

 

[mgteich]

One response to lots of pressures is to run the ball at the Defense. We were very successful doing that.

Let's put it another way. It is 2nd and 5. Brissett drops back, there is lots of pressure, he hands off to a RB who gains 6.

I guess for many this is a failure on the part of the OL and Brissett, and another abominable pressure in the stats. For me, it is a first down and a reasonable response to pressure on the passing game.

 

[Uptown]

 

[patfanken]

from whom?

Well, I for one have opined this option on more than one occasion for the following reasons.

1. What has been Strange's Kryptonite in his first 2 seasons. It has been the 330lb DT's who would overpower him in pass protection. And though I thought he did well in the run game, and was very good in making adjustments on the run in the things like blitz pickups, too often he was simply overpowered by the better pass rushing DT's

2. With Brown departing there was obvious a big need at LT.

3. If his weakness seemed to be BIG power rushers and his strength was his speed and athleticism, why not move him to LT when his biggest strengths would be better matched against faster but lighter edge rushers. It only makes sense, given the need and match up to at least take a hard look at this potential move. Between Robinson and Sow you have 2 nice young prospects at the LG position, and a gaping hole at LT.


While edge rushers have become faster, but lighter, it only makes sense to at LEAST think about matching strength against strength, and if it worked out, you could use that top ten pick next April to draft a top 5 OT or Edge rusher instead of a top 3 LT. If you are going to do it, this would be then this would be the season to try it out

 

[Zuma]

from whom?

*waves*

 

[pazrul72]

One response to lots of pressures is to run the ball at the Defense. We were very successful doing that.

Let's put it another way. It is 2nd and 5. Brissett drops back, there is lots of pressure, he hands off to a RB who gains 6.

I guess for many this is a failure on the part of the OL and Brissett, and another abominable pressure in the stats. For me, it is a first down and a reasonable response to pressure on the passing game.

I believe you are misusing the term pressure, its not a thing on running plays. The way its normally used is also quite subjective so one person watching it can say there was none while another person might say it was 50% of the time. My basic understanding of pressure is on a passing play a defender is within a yard or so of the QB and does something that throws off the timing or angle of the throw. Gets a hand in the way, pushes him as he releases, is about to hit him before he is ready to throw, anything along those lines that makes the throw less then feet set, shoulders squared, receiver open and ready, counts as a pressure.

The way you counter pressure is screens, 3 step drops, hot reads, and in general getting the ball out fast. Brady was the masterclass in doing it, but most qbs cant because you have to know exactly what it coming before it happens. I am giving the current offense a bit of a mulligan on this because they are still installing a new offense and getting the basics and foundation down. I have seen very little exotic or designed plays intended to take advantage of the Defense being overly aggresive. It will come with time im sure, so for now they've been better then i thought they would be high pressure rate and all. I agree with the OP the surprising worst culprit for the seattle game was Oweneu, i noticed at least 4 times he got beat badly on speed moves outside.

 

[Ring 6]

I think Onwenu needs to go back to guard, but the lack of tackle depth becomes a problem. Wallace would be a fine RT, but Jacobs is still very new in NE and is the only backup on the roster at both LT and RT, and then after that you're down to Caleb Jones on the PS. I guess if things get really bad you could move Onwenu back, though.

At guard you have arguably too many options once everyone is healthy soon. Strange, Onwenu, Sow, Robinson, Jordan, Thomas, Leverett. That's a hell of a lot of quality guard depth.

I would propose keeping Onwenu at RT this week on the short week and then during the mini-bye, moving him back to RG and prepping Wallace to take over RT. Sow should hopefully be back healthy by then at LG. That should be a good group, probably a better setup for pass protection.

Onwenu is a very good G and an aver as he at best T. He just doesn’t have OT pass blocking skills.
But when you only have 1 other starting caliber OL I guess you play him where the next guy up is the worst

 

[Ring 6]

i am hearing strange is a better fit for LT. maybe we start to get Strange i reps at LT and backup center and see how it goes. sow is going to the left guard of future. and no way we sign strange to 5th year contract next year.

it might be to his benefit to look to switch places or get traded in 2025.

lowe/strange, Sow, andrews,onwenu, wallce is the best talent and we have jordan, robinson and strange as backups. get jakobs trained so that he can be the 9th guy.

and every team has issues with Oline. its all about the QB and which qb can scramble out of pocket make some time and pass dimes. all the good ones are able to do that. hopefully Maye can do that as well.

Strange would be the best G we have by far (unless Onwenu moves back there as he should) but he would also be our best LT right now.

 

[Ring 6]

I think Wallace needs to start now. Whether it’s a LT because we don’t have an NFL caliber LT on the roster or RT so Onwenu can go back to G where he belongs, Wallace is one of the few OL we have that project to bring in the league in 2026 so he needs evaluation and experience.

 

[dliverey44]

I think Wallace needs to start now. Whether it’s a LT because we don’t have an NFL caliber LT on the roster or RT so Onwenu can go back to G where he belongs, Wallace is one of the few OL we have that project to bring in the league in 2026 so he needs evaluation and experience.

I think Robinson will improve in pass blocking and will be a part of this OL in 2026 as well. While Jordan has been playing really well this year, he is not part of the long term plan at least I don't think. I think a 3 G stable of Owenu, Robinson and Sow is pretty damn good.

I agree with you about getting Wallace in there at preferably LT. We are going to need to draft a OT and bring one in during FA. While Lowe has improved over last year and done well for his talent level that particular experiment needs to end.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Strange has the body to be an LT but I personally think they are going to try to convert him into a center. The fact of the matter is that Andrews is getting old and they don't have a clear heir apparent there. Strange is very athletic and may make for a solid center with practice.

Agreed. I have an odd feeling we are watching Andrews’ final season before retiring.

Dude looked beat up and over it in his PC yesterday.

 

[VrabelJr]

Came here to post this. Six blitzes in two games. I don't even recall seeing Seattle rush more than four.

 

[VrabelJr]

Strange has never played LT in college or the pros so that would be interesting to see. Sow is our only other interior who cold maybe play a Tackle position. But good lord Wallace was drafted to be a RT, let him be a RT. We're going to need to draft an LT next year regardless.

 

[PatsFan2]

Strange has never played LT in college or the pros so that would be interesting to see. Sow is our only other interior who cold maybe play a Tackle position. But good lord Wallace was drafted to be a RT, let him be a RT. We're going to need to draft an LT next year regardless.

You can't rule out any possibility on this current OL. Whether it's Strange or Sow we need a Stop gap @ LT temporarily until the next Draft. But we know it's not V Lowe.

 

[PatsFan2]

Well, I for one have opined this option on more than one occasion for the following reasons.

1. What has been Strange's Kryptonite in his first 2 seasons. It has been the 330lb DT's who would overpower him in pass protection. And though I thought he did well in the run game, and was very good in making adjustments on the run in the things like blitz pickups, too often he was simply overpowered by the better pass rushing DT's

2. With Brown departing there was obvious a big need at LT.

3. If his weakness seemed to be BIG power rushers and his strength was his speed and athleticism, why not move him to LT when his biggest strengths would be better matched against faster but lighter edge rushers. It only makes sense, given the need and match up to at least take a hard look at this potential move. Between Robinson and Sow you have 2 nice young prospects at the LG position, and a gaping hole at LT.


While edge rushers have become faster, but lighter, it only makes sense to at LEAST think about matching strength against strength, and if it worked out, you could use that top ten pick next April to draft a top 5 OT or Edge rusher instead of a top 3 LT. If you are going to do it, this would be then this would be the season to try it out

Point taken I suggested that too a while back with Cole Strange. That said I remembered them trying Siddy Sow @LT in Preseason 23 his Rookie year. We have two currently injured LT possibilities masquerading as Guards.

 

[PatsFan2]

The reason why Brissett is not seeing open WR's: Turnstyles @ LT. The RDE is Immediately in his face after the snap embarrassing. How do you know your OL is Bad?? The D could rush Three and still bring pressure.

 

[PatsFan2]

Agreed. I have an odd feeling we are watching Andrews’ final season before retiring.

Dude looked beat up and over it in his PC yesterday.

Hopefully is namesake is ready in 25.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The Patriots were ready to win that game, and frankly we did win that game. No other Patriots team put up 20 points this season, an unprecedented 20 points like nobody has ever seen before.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

And yes we need an offensive line but what's offensive is the other side's extremely rude tactics of coming to our stadium with a crowd size like nobody's ever seen before and taking advantage of one position, our LT situation, and weaponizing it against us. I am calling for a retroactive rules change to ban the very unfair overpowering of our linemen.

 

[PP2]

Knowing Mayo, I am guessing he is reacting to what he saw from his POV and what Brissett was telling him. Once they do a deeper analysis I would imagine Van Pelt and Peters will say "Listen man, it's not actually as bad as the end result makes it look."

I also think that to a certain extent he needs to say this to defend Brissett, because otherwise the answer is "Yeah, Brissett didn't do his job but I'm gonna keep throwing him out there anyway even though we have the #3 overall pick on the bench."

He sees the all-22 in real time on the tablet. But yes I'd agree, he has to play a bit of politics and not throw Brissett under the bus.

That being said, he is dropping hints left and right that Brissett needs to push the ball down field and be more aggressive. I like how Mayo is approaching this- dropping hints without outright criticizing someone or naming names.