Content Post Jest Thursday Night Debacle Offense Tape Review

[PatsFan2]

Sow

Sow is bigger and longer, he has tackle traits. Strange is strictly a guard and potentially can play center.

They need to figure it out because we have WR's to evaluate.

 

[203Pat]

I don't know if this has been posted but they really need to kick Onwenu back inside.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't know if this has been posted but they really need to kick Onwenu back inside.

It has been pointed out but they Signed him to a RT Contract square peg in a round hole.

 

[h0c2000]

@KCSVEN can you edit the thread title to replace "offense" with "offensive"

Thanks!

 

[KCSVEN]

@KCSVEN can you edit the thread title to replace "offense" with "offensive"

Thanks!

Ha Ha, wish I had thought of that!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't know if this has been posted but they really need to kick Onwenu back inside.

Luckily it is only a 2 year contract. Onwenu showed up 50 to 80 pounds overweight, out of shape, and it shows. We need to move on from guys that are not committed to football.

 

[pazrul72]

It has been pointed out but they Signed him to a RT Contract square peg in a round hole.

I wish you would stop posting this in every thread like it’s fact. Break down the numbers he’s paid as the 3rd best guard or I think it was 5th best RT so the numbers for the position he plays are not that far off. Yes elite LT are still paid significantly more then any other line position but the days of guards being paid less then tackles is over. Pretty much any of the other 4 besides left tackles average out to be the same and Owenu is our best lineman and worth the contract. I wish he was at guard, as I do agree he is a lot better there, and I hope next year between the draft and FA they add 2-3 actual tackles, but with the complete lack of depth at tackle right now he is part of our best 5.

 

[pencilneckgeek]

I don't know if this has been posted but they really need to kick Onwenu back inside.

KCSVEN, You put this play half on Brisset, but if he just stands there and throws Owenu's man his his arm and the pass is incomplete anyways (or worse). Maybe a much better pocket passer takes a half step up and completes the throw, but this looks for all the world like a complete OL meltdown. Even in slow motion that looks like no time at all. Half Owenu, half Andrews maybe, but that looks to me like 9/10 QBs throw that away or take the sack.

 

[203Pat]

Luckily it is only a 2 year contract. Onwenu showed up 50 to 80 pounds overweight, out of shape, and it shows. We need to move on from guys that are not committed to football.

I like Onwenu but assumed they would let him walk because 350 LB linemen don't really fit a zone running scheme. Instead they paid him and kicked him out to tackle and his lack of foot speed shows. Basically we have a guy who was already too big for this scheme show up out of shape and now out of position. This whole offensive line is a disaster.

 

[jdlboot14]

I like Onwenu but assumed they would let him walk because 350 LB linemen don't really fit a zone running scheme. Instead they paid him and kicked him out to tackle and his lack of foot speed shows. Basically we have a guy who was already too big for this scheme show up out of shape and now out of position. This whole offensive line is a disaster.

I think he'd be okay at RG - he always has been. The whole world knows he needs to be back at Guard.
New regime, same stupid stubbornness to not make quick decisions - the obvious quick decisions that would save a season, and a player that you invested a lot into!
What about the mantra - "put players in the position to succeed". It's literally antithetical. Onwenu is statistically league worst at tackle, because he's not a tackle. It's not his position. MOVE HIM ALREADY!

 

[KCSVEN]

KCSVEN, You put this play half on Brisset, but if he just stands there and throws Owenu's man his his arm and the pass is incomplete anyways (or worse). Maybe a much better pocket passer takes a half step up and completes the throw, but this looks for all the world like a complete OL meltdown. Even in slow motion that looks like no time at all. Half Owenu, half Andrews maybe, but that looks to me like 9/10 QBs throw that away or take the sack.

Yeah, my note on that was really long in my spreadsheet, went back and forth, also highlighted it because it was questionable. I slowed it down, I freeze framed it. I try to figure out what would an average NFL QB do, what would Drake Maye do based on college tape. I think many QB's dump it to DD on his break and makes the throw at the top of the drop like it is planned. Weaker QB's panic and do what Jacoby did. I might be wrong, it was a tough one.

The Jets defender could not reach his arm, he was falling down, his helmet was below Jacoby waist when he went by, when Jacoby hop stepped instead of throwing the Jets defender was just about on the ground already. The stunt defender would be too late if he threw the ball on DD's break instead of hopping forward, so if he gets ball out and stunt rusher does not have time to get there and guy behind him would not have effected throw, I think he has some fault.
On below image, he just started his hop step right there and then after that image runs two steps forward before throwing.

I debated, I think he did not need to step up, if he did the 1 hop and throw was still ok, did not need to run forward right into the stunt rusher. If someone else put that on Onwenu 100% I would not say they are wrong, but I see where many QB's would have gotten ball out. I did mention could be 1/2 Andrews, 1/2 Onwenu, I settled on the Jacoby/Onwenu split.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I like Onwenu but assumed they would let him walk because 350 LB linemen don't really fit a zone running scheme. Instead they paid him and kicked him out to tackle and his lack of foot speed shows. Basically we have a guy who was already too big for this scheme show up out of shape and now out of position. This whole offensive line is a disaster.

And it is obvious to us. Should have been obvious to them months back. Therefore inexcusable.

 

[203Pat]

And it is obvious to us. Should have been obvious to them months back. Therefore inexcusable.

I don't get it. Put the guys in spots they were drafted to play. If Caedan Wallace is going to play then put him where he should be at RT and Onwenu back at guard. Maybe having our two best offensive linemen to his left will help him and he can develop properly. When Sow is healthy put him at LG and then figure out if anyone on the roster can be more than a traffic cone at LT.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

This is what happens when a team goes all in on a franchise QB in the draft when the OT position is weak as hell.

Jets did this a few times. Learned the hard way.

Teams are built from the inside-out. A Maye without an OL doesn’t work.

That’s why in hindsight trading down and accumulating picks and taking a stud OT may have been the way to go.

Was thinking about this while in the hospital this week for my birthday. Maybe they didn’t take any OT in the first because they did not like any of the qbs later in the draft and next year. If I’m not mistaken next years qb stock is lame. Could be wrong. If they ignore it again next year heads need to roll.

 

[State]

If I’m not mistaken next years qb stock is lame.

That was the conventional thinking. But some guys are fast risers like Miami’s Cam Ward, who looks like a first-rounder, and Syracuse’s Kyle McCord, who has gone from a late day three/FA to a day two guy. Not so lame anymore.

 

[State]

I don't get it. Put the guys in spots they were drafted to play. If Caedan Wallace is going to play then put him where he should be at RT and Onwenu back at guard. Maybe having our two best offensive linemen to his left will help him and he can develop properly. When Sow is healthy put him at LG and then figure out if anyone on the roster can be more than a traffic cone at LT.

Absolutely. We need to be playing our five best o linemen. And right now some of those names inspire opposing defenses to know they’re going to have a good game.