NFL Rumors: Patriots could see 'Mass Exodus' of Coaches, Executives, this offseason

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2014:

3. Stork - Gone Medical Concussions

2. Garcia - Gone Blood clots

While not really improving the numbers by a large margin the two above had medical issues that you can't exactly plan for. when healthy Stork was pretty good at center

 

[Kontradiction]

While not really improving the numbers by a large margin the two above had medical issues that you can't exactly plan for. when healthy Stork was pretty good at center

Eh, Stork had pretty well documented concussion issues going back to his HS days at Vero. The Patriots knew what they were getting. However, given the spot, I can't say I fault them overly much for taking a shot.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

You grade on a curve in sports.

But it really screws the curve and the lower performers when their is one stellar performer year after year that's an outlier, several standard deviations above the norm at P?.01 (maybe even 0.001) and we know who that team is.................

 

[Deus Irae]

But it really screws the curve and the lower performers when their is one stellar performer year after year that's an outlier, several standard deviations above the norm at P?.01 (maybe even 0.001) and we know who that team is.................

But you're talking about grading that team, not the league. Over the course of the past, say, 10 years, what we could call a dumpster fire for the BB/TB Patriots would be a dream season for the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland has only won double digit games in a season twice since 1994, winning 10 games in 2007 and 11 games in that 1994 season. The Patriots have failed to win at least 10 games only once in the Tom Brady era (2002), and hadn't lost as many as 5 games since 2009. So, naturally, we expect a lot more out of the Patriots. Yes, the Patriots get graded the hardest, and that's as it should be.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

But you're talking about grading that team, not the league. Over the course of the past, say, 10 years, what we could call a dumpster fire for the BB/TB Patriots would be a dream season for the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland has only won double digit games in a season twice since 1994, winning 10 games in 2007 and 11 games in that 1994 season. The Patriots have failed to win at least 10 games only once in the Tom Brady era (2002), and hadn't lost as many as 5 games since 2009. So, naturally, we expect a lot more out of the Patriots. Yes, the Patriots get graded the hardest, and that's as it should be.

Got it, I thought you were referring to grading the league, not the team.. The bar for the Pats is obviously much higher than almost every other one....

 

[TB_Helmet]

Gregg Williams coached the 31st ranked scoring defense a whole one year ago.

Gregg Williams also seems like a lunatic (observed on Hard Knocks and obviously his history in general). Even if he is friends with Belichick he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who has been on the Pats coaching staff over the years.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Eh, Stork had pretty well documented concussion issues going back to his HS days at Vero. The Patriots knew what they were getting. However, given the spot, I can't say I fault them overly much for taking a shot.

Yeah, I put stork in the same category with Tre Jackson and Malcolm Mitchell and Gronk for that matter. They're all guys who fell because of documented medical issues, and eventually landed at a spot in the draft where Belichick thought the risk was appropriately priced into their value. And I'm totally fine with that - as long as where they're picked reflects the injury risk, it's a great way to punch above your weight draft-wise. Once you get past the first and maybe second round, everyone's going to have blemishes as a prospect. If it's not injury history, it'll be system or character or ceiling concerns, so by all means if you think the injury won't stop him from having a long career (or a short-but-productive one) then go for it.

Occasionally you get a Rob Gronkowski out of it. And even when you don't, as you said for where he went Stork was a reasonable contributor. For a mid-round pick they got a guy who quite capably started on a SB-winning team. Sucks that his career didn't last longer, but I'll take it.

 

[Deus Irae]

They're all guys who fell because of documented medical issues, and eventually landed at a spot in the draft where Belichick thought the risk was appropriately priced into their value. And I'm totally fine with that - as long as where they're picked reflects the injury risk, it's a great way to punch above your weight draft-wise.

While I largely agree, I think it needs to be said that reflecting the risk needs to really tilt the field, IMO. You don't take the Easleys of the world in the first round, as your first pick, when his ACLs are banjo springs waiting to pop. You don't take Gronk in round 1 with his medicals, either.

Gronk fell to 10 in round 2, was the team's 2nd overall pick (McCourty went first), was one of 3 picks in that second round, was one of 12 picks made that year (with 5 of those picks being in the first 3 rounds), and was paired with another sliding TE in that draft (Hernandez, who slid to the 4th). So, in a way, Gronk was a house money pick. And that, I'm all for.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Great interview with Pepper if people didn't see it earlier this season:

https://deadspin.com/q-a-pepper-johnson-on-drinking-with-bill-belichick-sp-1828726414

God damn it! That just pisses me off all over again.
Pepper on Spygate, pointing out how any tapes could not possibly be used during a game: "They [the NFL] even make sure that you’ve got people in the locker room from the other team. Like, the equipment guy. I guess those guys sit around just to make sure no one is watching the video, or you have no video hookups like that. So you’re talking about the next game."

I never knew the league had people from each team in the other team's locker room during a game to make sure there are no shenanigans. Would have been nice if that little detail had come out 10 years ago.

 

[TB_Helmet]

God damn it! That just pisses me off all over again.
Pepper on Spygate, pointing out how any tapes could not possibly be used during a game: "They [the NFL] even make sure that you’ve got people in the locker room from the other team. Like, the equipment guy. I guess those guys sit around just to make sure no one is watching the video, or you have no video hookups like that. So you’re talking about the next game."

I never knew the league had people from each team in the other team's locker room during a game to make sure there are no shenanigans. Would have been nice if that little detail had come out 10 years ago.

Good catch, that slipped through the cracks when I read that a few months ago.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

While I largely agree, I think it needs to be said that reflecting the risk needs to really tilt the field, IMO. You don't take the Easleys of the world in the first round, as your first pick, when his ACLs are banjo springs waiting to pop. You don't take Gronk in round 1 with his medicals, either.

Gronk fell to 10 in round 2, was the team's 2nd overall pick (McCourty went first), was one of 3 picks in that second round, was one of 12 picks made that year (with 5 of those picks being in the first 3 rounds), and was paired with another sliding TE in that draft (Hernandez, who slid to the 4th). So, in a way, Gronk was a house money pick. And that, I'm all for.

Exactly. That was my problem with the Easley pick. I loved him as a prospect at the time, but as a 2nd rounder with his injury history. To then find out there were character concerns, the fact that he was drafted in the 1st is just bad drafting in my view. They picked him at 29 because Seattle was going to take him at 32? So what? He’s not a 1st round guy; let Seattle take the risk, if you don’t like anyone else on the board at that point then just trade down or out like they’ve done in the past.

 

[BradyFTW!]

While I largely agree, I think it needs to be said that reflecting the risk needs to really tilt the field, IMO. You don't take the Easleys of the world in the first round, as your first pick, when his ACLs are banjo springs waiting to pop. You don't take Gronk in round 1 with his medicals, either.

Gronk fell to 10 in round 2, was the team's 2nd overall pick (McCourty went first), was one of 3 picks in that second round, was one of 12 picks made that year (with 5 of those picks being in the first 3 rounds), and was paired with another sliding TE in that draft (Hernandez, who slid to the 4th). So, in a way, Gronk was a house money pick. And that, I'm all for.

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. To be clear, I hated the Easley pick for that exact reason: when a guy tore his ACL two seasons back, and is currently rehabbing from another ACL tear the prior season, it's hard to justify spending a 2nd round pick on it. I can understand why they did, if they viewed Easley as an Aaron Donald-level talent so that getting him at the end of the first round was a major discount in its own right, but I still didn't like it.

I was likewise pretty wary of the Michel pick, with all the rumors going around prior to the draft that multiple teams had medically red-flagged him as having potential long-term knee issues. Hopefully he pans out more like Gronk than Easley/Mitchell.

 

[farn]

Stork and Mitchell helped this team win a SB. That makes them good picks. You could make a strong argument NE doesn’t win that SB w/o Mitchell.

Gronk : a future HoF, despite injuries, is the biggest no brainer in the history of Earth.

 

[maineman209]

Good to know that our staff will be pretty much intact even if we lose Flores. We can get another DC...either in-house or a guy like Schiano. Gregg Williams is out there too....but dunno if he is a system fit.

Gregg "Bountygate" Williams' signature defense is an aggressive, one-gapping 4-3 that doesn't necessarily adjust well to offensive schemes that can turn that aggressiveness against the defense. Wouldn't really fit with the flexibility that Pats defenses attempt to achieve.

Schiano, IDK. He had some pretty fine defensive backfields when he was a college coach, though.

 

[Hyped]

Gregg "Bountygate" Williams' signature defense is an aggressive, one-gapping 4-3 that doesn't necessarily adjust well to offensive schemes that can turn that aggressiveness against the defense. Wouldn't really fit with the flexibility that Pats defenses attempt to achieve.

Schiano, IDK. He had some pretty fine defensive backfields when he was a college coach, though.

Yup, pretty much...but I like aggressive D's.....its the same reason why I miss the Carroll defenses....but yeah...BB's way gets results....just that it drives me crazy....

 

[maineman209]

Much rather have Williams than Schiano.

I'd probably reverse the order, but wouldn't want either of them as DC. At all. Not even a little.

 

[Ring 6]

Fair what I meant to say was BB is smart enough to know that sometimes your strategy has to he able to bend and sure it's more than likely personal.
But is there a poster here who wouldn't trade defenses with the Browns straight up?

Me!!!!!
I wouldn’t trade our defense for a defense ranked 21 in points and 30 in yards.

 

[maineman209]

I was likewise pretty wary of the Michel pick, with all the rumors going around prior to the draft that multiple teams had medically red-flagged him as having potential long-term knee issues.

Ironic that six of eight 2018 draft picks ended up on IR,and the only pick who had an injury history is the only one who's gotten significant snaps and made significant contributions.

 

[Deus Irae]

Stork and Mitchell helped this team win a SB. That makes them good picks.

A bunch of scrubs at the end of the roster helped the team win a SB, too. That doesn't mean that those were, or had been, good picks.

 

[farn]

A bunch of scrubs at the end of the roster helped the team win a SB, too. That doesn't mean that those were, or had been, good picks.

While I hear what’s you are saying, it’s my view that Stork stabilized the OL after becoming the starter and Mitchell was instrumental as a weapon in key spots of an unlikely comeback. They played, IMO, important roles that greatly impacted the playoff success.