NFL Free Agency Thread

[primetime]

I know he has had injuries but now healthy. So you want Jones who will command $15mm next year and we get that cool 3rd Round Comp pick? Or you want a serviceable Chris Long and develop Flowers and Grissom? Jones has only had two seasons with over 10 sacks as well. Long never missed a game his first six years. Long has missed 10.9% of his games in eight years and Chandler Jone has missed 15% of his games in four.

This is always enjoyable to extol the virtues of a player match up, but after seeing numbers today financially, moving Jones makes a lot of sense if we plan to keep Hightower, Collins and Butler too. Jones will never be worth more than now.

My point is Long is the bridge for now.
DW Toys

The Patriots defense was so good last year because it had a superior pass rush for the first time in the better part of a decade. You'd be stripping one of the most important cogs out of that defense and replacing him with a 31-year old warm body who hasn't been healthy or effective since 2013 and a bunch of unknown second-year players. All of this is predicated on an assumption that some team out there will happily trade a high pick (it has to be higher than a 3rd for this to make any sense at all) for one year of Chandler Jones, and the first shot at paying him the huge contract that you're assuming the Patriots will not.

 

[Love The Drake]

All showed flashes in preseason a year in the system I believe together can be a solid rotation and Chris Long its a bridge.
We can agree to disagree but we are not going to draft elite wr talent with our evaluators we need to trade for it or overpay ala 8 mill a year for Marvin Jones insane in Free Agency.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Let me clarify Tre Flowers Geneo Grissom RUFUS Johnson and possibly Akiem Hicks and rookies make trading Chandler now a viable option vs losing him and only receiving a third round pick which we will more than likely squander when you can get a difference maker at a position with little depth.
Wide Receiver

Hicks is a DT here. Nawlins used him as a 4-3 DE and he was not good. His role and Chandler's are not the same position.

 

[Love The Drake]

The Patriots defense was so good last year because it had a superior pass rush for the first time in the better part of a decade. You'd be stripping one of the most important cogs out of that defense and replacing him with a 31-year old warm body who hasn't been healthy or effective since 2013 and a bunch of unknown second-year players. All of this is based on an assumption that some team will trade a high pick (it has to be higher than a 3rd for this to make any sense at all) for one year of Chandler Jones, and the first shot at paying him the huge contract that you're assuming the Patriots will not.

Im not advocating trading him for a pick but for a elite wr talent on a affordable contract Gordon Floyd White I wont speak of it anynore I will wish in one hand and see what happens.

 

[Brady6]

Why is Cannon still on the team?

If he takes a pay cut to $1.2M for a base I think we are better off keeping him.

 

[Love The Drake]

So whats up with Forte And Powell?
Any news on Blount?

 

[primetime]

Winning breeds a certain level of egoism wherein fans begin to believe that the Patriots are so invincible that they don't even need talented players to win, that they can just plug-and-play any warm body into a position, and the cheaper the better. Moreover, there's a tendency to assume that most of their draft picks are going to emerge as stars, rather than fade out of the league which is the statistical probability even for the most successful drafting teams. This tendency begins in March and won't end until training camp, and it happens every single year.

 

[Love The Drake]

If he takes a pay cut to $1.2M for a base I think we are better off keeping him.

When you think of the Cannon deal 8 mill for Jones Marvin doesnt sound too crazy

 

[primetime]

Im not advocating trading him for a pick but for a elite wr talent on a affordable contract Gordon Floyd White I wont speak of it anynore I will wish in one hand and see what happens.

Again, this is just magical thinking. Why would any team trade their elite, affordable wide receiver talent to the Patriots?

 

[Brady6]

When you think of the Cannon deal 8 mill for Jones Marvin doesnt sound too crazy

He is a solid backup, people **** on him for his performance as a starter but if you look at him as strictly a backup we could do a lot worse.

 

[Gronk]

The Patriots defense was so good last year because it had a superior pass rush for the first time in the better part of a decade. You'd be stripping one of the most important cogs out of that defense and replacing him with a 31-year old warm body who hasn't been healthy or effective since 2013 and a bunch of unknown second-year players. All of this is predicated on an assumption that some team out there will happily trade a high pick (it has to be higher than a 3rd for this to make any sense at all) for one year of Chandler Jones, and the first shot at paying him the huge contract that you're assuming the Patriots will not.

Plus generally we're talking about bad teams that wouldn't substantially benefit in the short term from having Jones for (possibly just) 2016.

I'm open to trading Jones because the money says NE can't keep all 4 of him, Collins, Butler, and High long-term but doing so needs to really make the 2016 Pats better and you need a succession plan better than what's out there in FA right now if he's gone.

 

[Ross12]

 

[Brady6]

Hicks is a DT here. Nawlins used him as a 4-3 DE and he was not good. His role and Chandler's are not the same position.

If we lose Hicks I would like to see us pickup Kendall Reyes.

 

[Brady6]

What about Andre Johnson, give him a 1 year/$2.3M deal like we did Wayne last year.

 

[Tony2046]

Jon Gruden disagrees. "You look at a guy like Brian Tyms Mike, now here's a guy whose phone is going to be ringing off the hook. You get a Brian Tyms and now the whole field is open. Spider 2Y banana here we come!"

That was freaking hilarious.

 

[BadMoFo]

Travis Benjamin to Chargers. Scratch him off the list.

 

[primetime]

Plus generally we're talking about bad teams that wouldn't substantially benefit in the short term from having Jones for (possibly just) 2016.

I'm open to trading Jones because the money says NE can't keep all 4 of him, Collins, Butler, and High long-term but doing so needs to really make the 2016 Pats better and you need a succession plan better than what's out there in FA right now if he's gone.

Right, I'm open to trading him as well should the right offer fall into their lap, and I agree that he's 4 of 4 on the list of extensions that need to be made. I just think it's a fantasy; the same reason the Patriots would be open to trading him is the same reason teams aren't going to want to trade for him. They'd be giving up a huge asset (again, this doesn't make sense unless it's a 2nd rounder or higher) for one year of a guy who could just walk away at the end of the year, and in order to keep him you're going to have to throw a ton of money his way. And if you wanted to do that, you could just wait until next year when he's a free agent, so why are you giving up a pick now?

 

[primetime]

If we lose Hicks I would like to see us pickup Kendall Reyes.

Reyes is putrid.

 

[varjao]

Teams are spending money like crazy, 15Mi a year for Malik Jackson, 12 for Janoris Jenkins. It will be difficult for Bill to do his business as usual and almost impossible to sign a big name free agent.

 

[Rob0729]

Still don't get why people want Mike Wallace. Do people understand what type of receiver he is and how the Pats' offense works? I can't think of a much worse fit than Wallace. He is dumb receiver who can't run routes, mostly just a deep threat (and the Pats are not a vertical team), and becomes a problem when he isn't getting the ball enough. He is the AntiPatriot.